The Time Lord: Welcome Robert Williams!

[Shak_Celts]

When has CBS ever rushed a rookie? Weren't people talking about not letting Tatum loose last season? You can have the tools to fill a thousand needs but if you can't actually do it or you aren't ready for the load, CBS will ease you into it so you can be ready for when it really matters, the playoffs! I trust CBS will play the guy who should be played the right amount, when they are ready. Ask Tatum how many times he was yanked when CBS felt he wasn't playing to expectations, it didn't matter how good the kid was, it mattered that he got the messages so he could sustain his best when it counted, it seemed to work in the playoffs and that was only the tip of the iceberg!

Dude. This is simple. Brad will play him if he can prove that he is the best option. Right now, at the 5 we have Horford, Baynes, Theis with Yabs also a 4/5.

I could see Williams out there with Horfie at the 4 and Williams running to the rim on misses.

He will play if he is better than Theis and Yabs. He is going to sit over Theis and Yabs until he shows he can provide more production than them. I dont' see him taking minutes from Horford or Baynes. So, his only option is to take Theis and Yabs' minutes.

I am all for that. Tatum earned his minutes as a rookie through his play. Semi played because he earned his minutes. Rozier has earned every minute that he has ever played. Brown didn't get force fed, he earned his minutes.

Brad doesn't play lesser player to "develop them." In the NBA, the best players hit the floor. We don't have time to watch Williams learn on the job. He has to be ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor.

AND....THIS Is good for him. It will help him become a professional.

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

[BfB]

Ya Im with you on this. Many on here know I am a Williams cheer leader on these boards. The dude is really bad offensively. He just doesnt have any moves that will be effective against NBA competition. You dont need all 5 guys on the court to be versatile offensive players to have a star studded offense. Bogut was getting about 25mpg the first season GS won it all, GS last year for the majority of the game one of Zaza/Bell/Looney were in there for 30+ minutes. Jordan Bell is probably going to get 20+ minutes a game this year. Capela last year was getting 27mpg on that elite offense in HOU.

Being a lob threat and nothing much more can still be a really effective offensive weapon on the right team. Just look at per 36 numbers for McGee the last 2 years in GS, the dude was a 23 point scorer per 36 his first year in GS. It was just because of him being that lob threat while being surrounded by stud offensive players, he became this huge threat offensively, just for his lobs.

Ideally you want Williams spending almost all his effort on defense and rebounding, on offense he is basically just screening. This is never going to be a guy you want putting the ball on the floor and creating for himself. His jumper is a long ways away, I think best case is in his prime his jumper might be like Baynes. Williams is the guy that doesnt need a single shot to make a huge impact on the game, that is the perfect fit when surrounded by guys like Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum.

So he’s DeAndre Jordan...... whats wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. Again I think a Jordan would be a perfect fit for you guys. I'm very high on Williams, I had him at I think at #10 on draft night.

I don't think you guys need any offense (maybe solid passing) from the 5. You want a guy that can give you 25-28 minutes of elite rebounding and defense. I think he can definitely be that guy. For the right team, that is huge value.

Williams is much more of a playmaker face up than DAJ and has actually shown flashes of shooting potential (has touch, mechanics work-in-progress).

Being a lob threat and a rim protector is definitely his base, but I know CBS and the FO see greater potential than that.

We’ll see what comes of it, but there’s no question he’s highly talented, if raw.


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[Leprechaun18]

I was impressed with how good RW was in his first and second preseason games. He has a good basketball IQ and seems to be a fast learner. The guy has missed most of SL and has been rehabbing and he comes in and can help is team win. I predict he will be in the rotation at some point this season.

[Tiny ball]

When has CBS ever rushed a rookie? Weren't people talking about not letting Tatum loose last season? You can have the tools to fill a thousand needs but if you can't actually do it or you aren't ready for the load, CBS will ease you into it so you can be ready for when it really matters, the playoffs! I trust CBS will play the guy who should be played the right amount, when they are ready. Ask Tatum how many times he was yanked when CBS felt he wasn't playing to expectations, it didn't matter how good the kid was, it mattered that he got the messages so he could sustain his best when it counted, it seemed to work in the playoffs and that was only the tip of the iceberg!

Dude. This is simple. Brad will play him if he can prove that he is the best option. Right now, at the 5 we have Horford, Baynes, Theis with Yabs also a 4/5.

I could see Williams out there with Horfie at the 4 and Williams running to the rim on misses.

He will play if he is better than Theis and Yabs. He is going to sit over Theis and Yabs until he shows he can provide more production than them. I dont' see him taking minutes from Horford or Baynes. So, his only option is to take Theis and Yabs' minutes.

I am all for that. Tatum earned his minutes as a rookie through his play. Semi played because he earned his minutes. Rozier has earned every minute that he has ever played. Brown didn't get force fed, he earned his minutes.

Brad doesn't play lesser player to "develop them." In the NBA, the best players hit the floor. We don't have time to watch Williams learn on the job. He has to be ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor.

AND....THIS Is good for him. It will help him become a professional.

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

Tatum was not yanked. Brown was yanked the year before but Tatum was on long leash and like not yanked.

[Shak_Celts]

Dude. This is simple. Brad will play him if he can prove that he is the best option. Right now, at the 5 we have Horford, Baynes, Theis with Yabs also a 4/5.

I could see Williams out there with Horfie at the 4 and Williams running to the rim on misses.

He will play if he is better than Theis and Yabs. He is going to sit over Theis and Yabs until he shows he can provide more production than them. I dont' see him taking minutes from Horford or Baynes. So, his only option is to take Theis and Yabs' minutes.

I am all for that. Tatum earned his minutes as a rookie through his play. Semi played because he earned his minutes. Rozier has earned every minute that he has ever played. Brown didn't get force fed, he earned his minutes.

Brad doesn't play lesser player to "develop them." In the NBA, the best players hit the floor. We don't have time to watch Williams learn on the job. He has to be ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor.

AND....THIS Is good for him. It will help him become a professional.

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

Tatum was not yanked. Brown was yanked the year before but Tatum was on long leash and like not yanked.

so what you're saying is that Tatum was lying? That's fine, I just don't agree and I'll leave it at that.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So he’s DeAndre Jordan...... whats wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. Again I think a Jordan would be a perfect fit for you guys. I'm very high on Williams, I had him at I think at #10 on draft night.

I don't think you guys need any offense (maybe solid passing) from the 5. You want a guy that can give you 25-28 minutes of elite rebounding and defense. I think he can definitely be that guy. For the right team, that is huge value.

Williams is much more of a playmaker face up than DAJ and has actually shown flashes of shooting potential (has touch, mechanics work-in-progress).

Being a lob threat and a rim protector is definitely his base, but I know CBS and the FO see greater potential than that.

We’ll see what comes of it, but there’s no question he’s highly talented, if raw.


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Glad to hear - I've been wondering what the team thinks Williams has for upside. His preseason minutes impressed me with his perimeter defense and his timing off the ball - he's playing with better teammates and spacing than he had in college, so that's not surprising.

[Roland2000]

Williams definitely looks good. He is real big and real quick. He actually looks fairly comfortable out there considering. This is great news for the Celts. He will get to learn from Horford, Baynes and Theis....He's gonna be a beast.

[cloverleaf]

His ability to keep the ball moving and quickly pass to the open man makes him able to play well in the offense without requiring a lot of shots. Considering the shooting talent of many of his teammates that is a feature, not a bug.

And the C's are big on giving rookies time as they earn it on D--which is an immediate fit with Rob's strengths. I am optimistic on his playing time if his knees hold up. You just know there will be other injuries on the team as well.

[sam_I_am]

When has CBS ever rushed a rookie? Weren't people talking about not letting Tatum loose last season? You can have the tools to fill a thousand needs but if you can't actually do it or you aren't ready for the load, CBS will ease you into it so you can be ready for when it really matters, the playoffs! I trust CBS will play the guy who should be played the right amount, when they are ready. Ask Tatum how many times he was yanked when CBS felt he wasn't playing to expectations, it didn't matter how good the kid was, it mattered that he got the messages so he could sustain his best when it counted, it seemed to work in the playoffs and that was only the tip of the iceberg!

Dude. This is simple. Brad will play him if he can prove that he is the best option. Right now, at the 5 we have Horford, Baynes, Theis with Yabs also a 4/5.

I could see Williams out there with Horfie at the 4 and Williams running to the rim on misses.

He will play if he is better than Theis and Yabs. He is going to sit over Theis and Yabs until he shows he can provide more production than them. I dont' see him taking minutes from Horford or Baynes. So, his only option is to take Theis and Yabs' minutes.

I am all for that. Tatum earned his minutes as a rookie through his play. Semi played because he earned his minutes. Rozier has earned every minute that he has ever played. Brown didn't get force fed, he earned his minutes.

Brad doesn't play lesser player to "develop them." In the NBA, the best players hit the floor. We don't have time to watch Williams learn on the job. He has to be ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor.

AND....THIS Is good for him. It will help him become a professional.

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

Good points. RW has a lot to work on but already does things that help. I suspect his rookie year will be like Rozier. Most of that year Terry was in Maine but come playoffs he stepped up and played 15-20 min. I can see a scenario where he competes for Theis’ role.

People want to compare him to Capella or Deandre Jordan because he has flashed signs of being a shot blocker and rim runner and that makes sense. But what makes him much more exciting of a prospect is his ability to switch and recover. I think he can hang against small ball line ups - unlike DJ. He reminds me of Ben Wallace in that regard but with freakish length. If he reaches his defensive potential alongside Smart, Brown nd all our scorers....watch out!

[SeizeCoup]

He really does seem to have a good feel for the game. Count me in as excited, our big man rotation is looking nice!

[Parliament10]

The 5 (Center) Rotation:

Horford
Baynes
Theis
Williams
Yabusele

I think that Williams is already above Yabusele in Center consideration.
Yabusele is 6th String. He's also behind Morris and maybe Ojeleye, as a 4.

[TheTruth316]

I was impressed with how good RW was in his first and second preseason games. He has a good basketball IQ and seems to be a fast learner. The guy has missed most of SL and has been rehabbing and he comes in and can help is team win. I predict he will be in the rotation at some point this season.

Not sure what you are impressed with, the kid has talent and would do great IF he can play on defensive substitutions.. How a young man can be so lazy and out of shape is unfathomable to me.. He gets winded after one minute!... What good is talent when you just don't care.

[TheTruth316]

The 5 (Center) Rotation:

Horford
Baynes
Theis
Williams
Yabusele

I think that Williams is already above Yabusele in Center consideration.
Yabusele is 6th String. He's also behind Morris and maybe Ojeleye, as a 4.

k


I am not a Yabusele fan. However he showed improvement, and the ability to make a difference in a game last night. I love Theis but he is struggling with getting his game going..

[Leprechaun18]

I was impressed with how good RW was in his first and second preseason games. He has a good basketball IQ and seems to be a fast learner. The guy has missed most of SL and has been rehabbing and he comes in and can help is team win. I predict he will be in the rotation at some point this season.

Not sure what you are impressed with, the kid has talent and would do great IF he can play on defensive substitutions.. How a young man can be so lazy and out of shape is unfathomable to me.. He gets winded after one minute!... What good is talent when you just don't care.

You say he is lazy, but Al Horford and Brad Stevens say he is a hard worker. He has spent most of the summer rehabbing and already is making an impact. He has shown very good development considering he has only played limited minutes in 1 SL game and 3 PS games. You need to get some glasses or get a clue.

[TheTruth316]

He is such a hard worker. After 1 minute he is winded. Lemon beat him to a rebound, do you watch the game?

[FlightSisters]

Was at the game and only a few rows back, Williams have all the talent and defensively was mostly in the right spots, but you can tell how Raw he is and still not comfortable out there, which is to be expected. It will absolutely come with time. Still needs to do the little things slightly better, gave up a few offensive boards by not boxing out, specifically on free throws.

[vct33]

Even though his offensive game is limited and may always be, I don’t think he’ll be a guy who kills the offense. It seems that he’s comfortable having the ball move through him. He doesn’t hold it or take unnecessary dribbles.

[jfs1000d]

I really like what I am seeing. Active, which is better than he was in college.

My worry is his knees and conditioning. He looks like a max 15 minutes a night guy for now. I will take it on this team this year, but I worry he won't stand up to wear and tear of NBA.

[jfs1000d]

The 5 (Center) Rotation:

Horford
Baynes
Theis
Williams
Yabusele

I think that Williams is already above Yabusele in Center consideration.
Yabusele is 6th String. He's also behind Morris and maybe Ojeleye, as a 4.

k


I am not a Yabusele fan. However he showed improvement, and the ability to make a difference in a game last night. I love Theis but he is struggling with getting his game going..

I see rotation at 4/5 as

Horford
Baynes
Theis
Yabs
Williams

PF
Tatum
Morris
Theis
Yabs

I can see Williams getting the third center minutes. He really brings an element out there. Yabs hasn't looked bad.

[Green89]

Dude. This is simple. Brad will play him if he can prove that he is the best option. Right now, at the 5 we have Horford, Baynes, Theis with Yabs also a 4/5.

I could see Williams out there with Horfie at the 4 and Williams running to the rim on misses.

He will play if he is better than Theis and Yabs. He is going to sit over Theis and Yabs until he shows he can provide more production than them. I dont' see him taking minutes from Horford or Baynes. So, his only option is to take Theis and Yabs' minutes.

I am all for that. Tatum earned his minutes as a rookie through his play. Semi played because he earned his minutes. Rozier has earned every minute that he has ever played. Brown didn't get force fed, he earned his minutes.

Brad doesn't play lesser player to "develop them." In the NBA, the best players hit the floor. We don't have time to watch Williams learn on the job. He has to be ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor.

AND....THIS Is good for him. It will help him become a professional.

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

Tatum was not yanked. Brown was yanked the year before but Tatum was on long leash and like not yanked.

Tatum was definitely getting yanked early in the season. Later through the year, it became harder to tell if Brad was still yanking him, or simply strategizing by pulling him early, so he could come back in later with the second unit to keep up an offensive threat. Early on, though, it was clear he got pulled for some mistakes.