Pre-Season Thread: Games Played Sept. 28 & 30; Oct 2 & 6, 2018

[Green89]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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Gordon laughed it off and he knows more about his own body and recovery than anyone.

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[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

eh, pushing the team is kind of his job. That doesn't mean fans need to freak out.

The Cavs put up 59 points in the first half last night, and the Hornets put up 57 the game before that one. Last night's game was concerning to me, because the starters were trying. Re-watch that first half and look at their body language. They are getting lost on assignments, and when that basket is scored, they are looking at each other wondering why there was no help. Again, it's early, but I'm still of the opinion that it's better to form good habits now rather than later. This is very different compared to the preseason games I saw last year, where everyone looked in sync.

I would be concerned if we were actually trying to gameplan and defend. This wasn't what we were doing. Brad doesn't give a crap about wins or losses. He is here to evaluate players, get a rhythm and chemistry going and kind of warm up for the start of the season.

The games don't count. So, why should we worry?

If Brad is unimpressed, then it's ok for me to be unimpressed. Everything that he said last night after the game - I am 100% in agreement with. Heck, I even said in this thread that he would be upset after the game.

[truth18]

The Cavs put up 59 points in the first half last night, and the Hornets put up 57 the game before that one. Last night's game was concerning to me, because the starters were trying. Re-watch that first half and look at their body language. They are getting lost on assignments, and when that basket is scored, they are looking at each other wondering why there was no help. Again, it's early, but I'm still of the opinion that it's better to form good habits now rather than later. This is very different compared to the preseason games I saw last year, where everyone looked in sync.

I would be concerned if we were actually trying to gameplan and defend. This wasn't what we were doing. Brad doesn't give a crap about wins or losses. He is here to evaluate players, get a rhythm and chemistry going and kind of warm up for the start of the season.

The games don't count. So, why should we worry?

If Brad is unimpressed, then why shouldn't I?

You know when we really needed to worry about this team? When Isaiah **** Thomas was poised to be our highly paid star player.

Yet it was myself, Cave and a handful (I mean handful, probably around seven people) of posters on here that were worried. Everyone else was thoroughly impressed.

You don't coach this team. Preseason DOESN'T MATTER. Save your worry for our first regular season loss and even then it won't matter.

As long as we make the post season, and we're healthy, we'll be fine. Home court is frosting on the cake with Lebron gone.

Once again, I'm seriously unimpressed with the Preseason takes on here. But what else is new? Sully is going to average 20/10 this season too right? Positive or negative, no one seems to understand how little this segement of the NBA season means. Every **** year.

[ajones9219]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

[djsunyc]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

you just revealed your true identity mr. glass.

[ajones9219]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

you just revealed your true identity mr. glass.

Lol just a lot of dangerous hobbies

[celticfan42487]

A) were not giving 100%, nor do I expect our guys to do so yet. Is it frustrating? Sure. But it mitigates injury risk which is more important.

B) shots will fall in the regular season and we wont continue this cold streak for long

But it's not just that the shots are not falling, it's the lack of ball/player movement. I'm sure Brad did not want to still be in an extended Hayward honeymoon period for the early part of the season. Look, as you and others mention, it's preseason. Not the end of the world. But there is going to need to be an adjustment period for Irving, Hayward, Tatum and Brown to build chemistry while feeding these 4 hungry mouths. I would have preferred to see them start the preseason oversharing rather than overeating.

Boston, as a team this pre-season, is 27/109 from 3. That’s 24.8%, or worse than Markelle Fultz’s 25% shooting from distance. Our starting 5 has played all of 8 minutes together.

When we’ve played our semi-regular rotations, i.e. the first halves of games, were +3 this preseason despite abysmal shooting %’s and missing one of Horford/Kyrie for 66.7% of the sample. Our shooting will re-approach the mean expectation going forward and everyone will look better by proxy.

Ya’ll can work yourselves up into a worried state if you want— me, personally? Im not worried one iota.

I think over and over again no one cares about us missing 3s.

It's the lack of effort, zero system basketball, and horrific defensive display that's concerning.

Brad wants his team to go out and work on something if not Ws and Ls. I doubt he wants to see ISOs and no effort. It just seems the starters don't want to try. It is what it is. Lets see how they do when they have 2 extremely tough games against arguabley top 5 teams in the 76ers and Raptors to start the season.

If they handle them with ease then while discouraging that they aren't trying it didn't cause any real long term damage.

I think everyone just expected though at least the same level of ball movement we saw last preseason, you should at least try to play the right way in preseason when the results don't matter.

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[Ed Pinkney]

It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

you just revealed your true identity mr. glass.

Lol just a lot of dangerous hobbies

Pretty sure it was a broken leg and a dislocated ankle. That means lots of soft tissue damage around the joint which increases the chances of long term issues. I had significant soft tissue damage in my ankles more than twenty years ago and have had problems ever since.

[KGboss]

you just revealed your true identity mr. glass.

Lol just a lot of dangerous hobbies

Pretty sure it was a broken leg and a dislocated ankle. That means lots of soft tissue damage around the joint which increases the chances of long term issues. I had significant soft tissue damage in my ankles more than twenty years ago and have had problems ever since.

Remembering the scans that were done they said there was no ligament damage or tear. I remember them using the phrase very lucky in that category.

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Honestly, the most impressive part of last night to me (I watched from late 3rd on so not a lot of options) was Robert Williams. I have no clue who this Twitter account is, but they had the Williams clip I wanted so I'm using it. Watch RW switch and pick up the primary ballhandler for the Cavs at the 3 point line (Kobi Simmons I think). A lot of guards should be able to blow by a big from here. Simmons tries to go into the paint and quickly goes to the outside. But the most impressive thing is how fast RW moves his hips in order to set himself up for the block. Really impressive stuff imo.

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Good to see you guys.

A little late but good to see you brother. Off topic but you live in Philly right?

[Domenico]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

Completely agree. Also broke my left ankle and sprained it again some years later (not-related new injury). Never had an issue after it was healed.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Looks like a lot of people are in denial about the severity of Hayward’s injury. There’s obviously a chance he gets back to former self, but there’s also a very high chance that he doesn’t. Completely laughing off suggestions saying he won’t be the same player as before is a little sad.


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It's a broken ankle. I think you wildly overestimate the severity of it. As someone who's broken both ankles, both wrists, a toe, a finger and my nose twice im here to say it's far from a big deal. If he tore his ACL or something that would be one thing but a broken ankle is about as impactful long term as a stubbed toe

Well, I wouldn’t go that far and thats also as someone who has broken both ankles and had surgery on one to remove bone spurs. It definitely takes a while mentally to feel comfortable after an accident like that, but I also marched around Disneyworld with the kids 2 weeks afterwards so what do i know. The surgery was far worse than the either of the breaks. I had trouble even putting weight on it for a week and even after that it was touchy for a long time. Also, the ligament damage may be the more difficult part of this since it was completely dislocated. The bones heal fine (totally agree), but the muscles and ligaments that got ripped apart take a long time.

He looks great to me, but he still needs the better part of the rest of the year to really get back to where he was.

[CeltsfaninDC]

There is probably a 1% chance I even remember this game is on. With everything else going on that night there is very little chance of me turning this on

[truth18]

There is probably a 1% chance I even remember this game is on. With everything else going on that night there is very little chance of me turning this on

Yeah, I'll probably watch the Sox over this myself.

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