PistolPeteJR wrote:Hugi Mancura wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:
No, the problem with this is simple: if you're going to call fouls like this, then call fouls in favour of people packing it in the paint, getting mauled night after night. Because they're bigger, it's okay, but because these offball shooters a la Curry, Redick, Thompson, etc., are smaller guys, they aim to protect David while largely ignoring the beatings Goliath takes regularly.
I think bigger players will start to become off the ball shooters more and more. All ready there were couple last year.
This mauling thing. This has been in basketball from the beginning or atl east several decades. I think this has nothing to do with this rule change. Big guys have always been allowed to maul each other, but they have also been allowed to give back. If you really watch those big's lowering their shoulders, hitting defensive player with it and getting away with it (if you don't over do it). If you see same thing to happen with smaller guys it will be called as an offensive foul. This has always been like this and because of that I wouldn't mix it with this rule change. I think this rule change has nothing to do with size, but it is about giving off the ball players same rights as ball handler. Which is one of the base rules of basketball or life, but when they added the no hand check rule they didn't follow it by giving rights to off the ball players. You can't hold big buys after this any more than you are allowed to hold smaller guys, but sure smaller guys do happen to be benefactor of this rule more than bigger players.
Also people need to remember that referees call what they see. When someone in doing his stuff in a crowded paint it is harder to see fouls. Referees don't have the same bird eye view as we do. They are professionals so they have skill to go to right place to see things better, but basketball is a very fast sport and they can't be all over the place all the time.
I am aware it has been happening forever. That's the point. The NBA wants to clamp down on offball physical play, but not in-the-paint physical play. One gets penalized, one doesn't. See the issue?
In addition, guys inside definitely do not get away with physical play on smaller guys (ie. IT2).
Finally, this does not take into account guys that drive more often than not and don't get calls nearly as often as they ought to, when it's clearly not as simple as marking it up to "margin for error" on the refs part (ie. LeBron).
I do agree that big vs small, that's why I added don't over do it, maybe should have been more exact with it. Was mainly comparing big vs big, which is what it most of the time is and there you receive hits, but can also give back.
On the driving thing I disagree, but mainly I disagree how they call it in NBA. If offensive player causes the contact to happen, then it's not a defensive players foul. Yes, when Lebron drives there is a lot of contact, but because Lebron knows he is stronger he is also the person who initiates the contact 90% of the time. So how I see the game he should not get those calls (not so sure with NBA rules though). But also Lebron is allowed to give the mauling too. He uses his off the ball arm to make room more than most of the players in NBA and he very rarely get called for it. So maybe this is referees way of saying, yes we know they foul you, but at the same time we allow you to foul them back. Driving is hard to call, when defense has position and when not, also rules are different if you are help defender or original defender.
