The Time Lord: Welcome Robert Williams!

[jfs1000d]

So he’s DeAndre Jordan...... whats wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. Again I think a Jordan would be a perfect fit for you guys. I'm very high on Williams, I had him at I think at #10 on draft night.

I don't think you guys need any offense (maybe solid passing) from the 5. You want a guy that can give you 25-28 minutes of elite rebounding and defense. I think he can definitely be that guy. For the right team, that is huge value.

Williams is much more of a playmaker face up than DAJ and has actually shown flashes of shooting potential (has touch, mechanics work-in-progress).

Being a lob threat and a rim protector is definitely his base, but I know CBS and the FO see greater potential than that.

We’ll see what comes of it, but there’s no question he’s highly talented, if raw.


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Bill. What do you think of his injury history? I just find those knees troublesome. I don't think he can play more than 20 minutes a night and by January might be run down.

He's awfully young to really worry about that.

[Duke4life831]

So he’s DeAndre Jordan...... whats wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. Again I think a Jordan would be a perfect fit for you guys. I'm very high on Williams, I had him at I think at #10 on draft night.

I don't think you guys need any offense (maybe solid passing) from the 5. You want a guy that can give you 25-28 minutes of elite rebounding and defense. I think he can definitely be that guy. For the right team, that is huge value.

Williams is much more of a playmaker face up than DAJ and has actually shown flashes of shooting potential (has touch, mechanics work-in-progress).

Being a lob threat and a rim protector is definitely his base, but I know CBS and the FO see greater potential than that.

We’ll see what comes of it, but there’s no question he’s highly talented, if raw.


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I personally dont see much of a playmaker from him, better than DJ but still not a strength in my opinion, we will see though. I do agree he definitely has much more potential as a shooter than DJ ever had. Ive said before that I can see Williams in his prime becoming like a Baynes type shooter. Solid from 18ft, anything beyond that he may hit a couple but I wouldnt call it a good shot or count on him making it.

Plus with the guys you have, with Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown and whoever you get next year. Any offense being run through Williams will be considered a bad offensive possession because of the amount of offensive talent on the court. I just dont see much potential offensively with him, either than a solid mid range catch and shoot guy and a lob threat. I dont think he has a good feel for the game on that side of the ball.

Again Im a huge fan of his, had him top 10 pre draft. I just think hes going to be the next in line of the DJ/Capela type of big. 25 minutes of high intensity defense and rebounding.

[24istheLAW]

I personally dont see much of a playmaker from him, better than DJ but still not a strength in my opinion, we will see though. I do agree he definitely has much more potential as a shooter than DJ ever had. Ive said before that I can see Williams in his prime becoming like a Baynes type shooter. Solid from 18ft, anything beyond that he may hit a couple but I wouldnt call it a good shot or count on him making it.

Plus with the guys you have, with Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown and whoever you get next year. Any offense being run through Williams will be considered a bad offensive possession because of the amount of offensive talent on the court. I just dont see much potential offensively with him, either than a solid mid range catch and shoot guy and a lob threat. I dont think he has a good feel for the game on that side of the ball.

Again Im a huge fan of his, had him top 10 pre draft. I just think hes going to be the next in line of the DJ/Capela type of big. 25 minutes of high intensity defense and rebounding.

I don't think anyone expects him to have the offense run through him. The point is that when the ball gets to him, he's shown the ability to make quick, effective, and sometimes non-obvious passes. He looks like a ball mover. Guys like DAJ (or Baynes for that matter) don't have that element to their game.

Honestly, I like his offensive instincts from what he's done in green. I think screen setting is his biggest weakness from what he's shown us so far, honestly. But his timing on the dives to the basket looks good, and he's been purposefully active. If he can figure out how to set strong screens (and I'm not going to trivialize this and assume it happens anytime soon) I think he'll be fine in the flow of the offense.

[BfB]

Absolutely nothing. Again I think a Jordan would be a perfect fit for you guys. I'm very high on Williams, I had him at I think at #10 on draft night.

I don't think you guys need any offense (maybe solid passing) from the 5. You want a guy that can give you 25-28 minutes of elite rebounding and defense. I think he can definitely be that guy. For the right team, that is huge value.

Williams is much more of a playmaker face up than DAJ and has actually shown flashes of shooting potential (has touch, mechanics work-in-progress).

Being a lob threat and a rim protector is definitely his base, but I know CBS and the FO see greater potential than that.

We’ll see what comes of it, but there’s no question he’s highly talented, if raw.


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Bill. What do you think of his injury history? I just find those knees troublesome. I don't think he can play more than 20 minutes a night and by January might be run down.

He's awfully young to really worry about that.

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[BfB]

I personally dont see much of a playmaker from him, better than DJ but still not a strength in my opinion, we will see though. I do agree he definitely has much more potential as a shooter than DJ ever had. Ive said before that I can see Williams in his prime becoming like a Baynes type shooter. Solid from 18ft, anything beyond that he may hit a couple but I wouldnt call it a good shot or count on him making it.

Plus with the guys you have, with Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown and whoever you get next year. Any offense being run through Williams will be considered a bad offensive possession because of the amount of offensive talent on the court. I just dont see much potential offensively with him, either than a solid mid range catch and shoot guy and a lob threat. I dont think he has a good feel for the game on that side of the ball.

Again Im a huge fan of his, had him top 10 pre draft. I just think hes going to be the next in line of the DJ/Capela type of big. 25 minutes of high intensity defense and rebounding.

I don't think anyone expects him to have the offense run through him. The point is that when the ball gets to him, he's shown the ability to make quick, effective, and sometimes non-obvious passes. He looks like a ball mover. Guys like DAJ (or Baynes for that matter) don't have that element to their game.

Honestly, I like his offensive instincts from what he's done in green. I think screen setting is his biggest weakness from what he's shown us so far, honestly. But his timing on the dives to the basket looks good, and he's been purposefully active. If he can figure out how to set strong screens (and I'm not going to trivialize this and assume it happens anytime soon) I think he'll be fine in the flow of the offense.

Mason Plumlee with better defensive impact.


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[Patsfan1081]

I personally dont see much of a playmaker from him, better than DJ but still not a strength in my opinion, we will see though. I do agree he definitely has much more potential as a shooter than DJ ever had. Ive said before that I can see Williams in his prime becoming like a Baynes type shooter. Solid from 18ft, anything beyond that he may hit a couple but I wouldnt call it a good shot or count on him making it.

Plus with the guys you have, with Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown and whoever you get next year. Any offense being run through Williams will be considered a bad offensive possession because of the amount of offensive talent on the court. I just dont see much potential offensively with him, either than a solid mid range catch and shoot guy and a lob threat. I dont think he has a good feel for the game on that side of the ball.

Again Im a huge fan of his, had him top 10 pre draft. I just think hes going to be the next in line of the DJ/Capela type of big. 25 minutes of high intensity defense and rebounding.

I don't think anyone expects him to have the offense run through him. The point is that when the ball gets to him, he's shown the ability to make quick, effective, and sometimes non-obvious passes. He looks like a ball mover. Guys like DAJ (or Baynes for that matter) don't have that element to their game.

Honestly, I like his offensive instincts from what he's done in green. I think screen setting is his biggest weakness from what he's shown us so far, honestly. But his timing on the dives to the basket looks good, and he's been purposefully active. If he can figure out how to set strong screens (and I'm not going to trivialize this and assume it happens anytime soon) I think he'll be fine in the flow of the offense.

Mason Plumlee with better defensive impact.


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Plumlee actually had a decent amount of post moves coming out but wasn't as good on the boards. The difference defensively is pretty great though as Plumlee has bad awareness and timing, Williams was one of the best defenders in his draft class while Plumlee was one of the worst among big men.

[Tiny ball]

Why in the hell do you people keep quoting me saying the exact thing I said? I specifically said CBS doesn't give minutes unless they are earned and yet around 5 of you said the same damn thing as if you were saying something different, dude. When you find where I said ONE TIME that he plays lesser players to develop them, I'll be waiting with your apology... quick hint, don't waste your time. I know I didn't say it because by now everyone should know that CBS doesn't care who we want out there, if you cant play, you aren't going out there. I will say, he absolutely plays them more or less, depending on if or how fast they are developing! In the SAME quote I talked about how Tatum had to earn his minutes and that his talent wasn't the key, it was how he applied the talent, he was yanked when he didn't do right or given more minutes when he was playing the right way. That's not even my thought, Tatum said it himself. For example, Mickey had a lot of the physical traits and shiny college accolades but he wasn't put out there because he wasn't good enough. It's as simple as that! Semi got more minutes when he played well but when he didn't, CBS didn't put him out there (look at game 7 of the ECF).

Every time Rob played well I was excited because I know that means a lot to CBS and I also get excited when CBS talks about his work ethic outside of the game. All that bodes well for this kid getting minutes! I can't wait til he hits his stride because he could be the guy to take over for Al and we will be able to pay him (unless he explodes to unforeseen heights... which could be great for us too lol)!

BTW I'm not a dude, as you can see in the photo.

Tatum was not yanked. Brown was yanked the year before but Tatum was on long leash and like not yanked.

Tatum was definitely getting yanked early in the season. Later through the year, it became harder to tell if Brad was still yanking him, or simply strategizing by pulling him early, so he could come back in later with the second unit to keep up an offensive threat. Early on, though, it was clear he got pulled for some mistakes.

You have something early season. Compared to Brown he was treated like veteran.

[BfB]

I don't think anyone expects him to have the offense run through him. The point is that when the ball gets to him, he's shown the ability to make quick, effective, and sometimes non-obvious passes. He looks like a ball mover. Guys like DAJ (or Baynes for that matter) don't have that element to their game.

Honestly, I like his offensive instincts from what he's done in green. I think screen setting is his biggest weakness from what he's shown us so far, honestly. But his timing on the dives to the basket looks good, and he's been purposefully active. If he can figure out how to set strong screens (and I'm not going to trivialize this and assume it happens anytime soon) I think he'll be fine in the flow of the offense.

Mason Plumlee with better defensive impact.


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Plumlee actually had a decent amount of post moves coming out but wasn't as good on the boards. The difference defensively is pretty great though as Plumlee has bad awareness and timing, Williams was one of the best defenders in his draft class while Plumlee was one of the worst among big men.

Ya...the point of the post was to underline Williams upside offensively while underscoring that he’s superior defensively.

Plumlee isn’t a reliable shooter, but he has good vision and can handle the ball well enough to be a threat in the high post with the ball.

I actually think Williams has a chance to be a rangier shooter, though there is little tangible evidence aside from his raw physical tools, touch and a smattering of reps.


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[m haynes]

I see a major flaw in his game. It's Coachable but needs to be addressed. He stops playing after the initial play and lacks awareness that the play is still going on. I'll try and give a example. He helps out defense on the week side blocks the shot. He stops to him the player is made however the ball is still in play and he caught off guard and is late making secondary play.

[sam_I_am]

I see a major flaw in his game. It's Coachable but needs to be addressed. He stops playing after the initial play and lacks awareness that the play is still going on. I'll try and give a example. He helps out defense on the week side blocks the shot. He stops to him the player is made however the ball is still in play and he caught off guard and is late making secondary play.

IVe noticed that as well.

[Shak_Celts]

I see a major flaw in his game. It's Coachable but needs to be addressed. He stops playing after the initial play and lacks awareness that the play is still going on. I'll try and give a example. He helps out defense on the week side blocks the shot. He stops to him the player is made however the ball is still in play and he caught off guard and is late making secondary play.

IVe noticed that as well.

I haven't payed enough attention but I'll be sure to look out tonight. Thanks to both of you for the viewpoint.

[Parliament10]

I see a major flaw in his game. It's Coachable but needs to be addressed. He stops playing after the initial play and lacks awareness that the play is still going on. I'll try and give a example. He helps out defense on the week side blocks the shot. He stops to him the player is made however the ball is still in play and he caught off guard and is late making secondary play.

IVe noticed that as well.

I haven't payed enough attention but I'll be sure to look out tonight. Thanks to both of you for the viewpoint.

I thought it was him being an NBA Rookie.
But, like you all said, it is correctable.

P.S.:
It reminds me of some plays in the NFL. When a Rookie has made a great play. But the ball hasn't touched the ground, or the player hasn't been tagged. Therefore, the play is actually not dead.

I've seen that, where Veterans have told the Rookie (in-game) to keep going.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

IVe noticed that as well.

I haven't payed enough attention but I'll be sure to look out tonight. Thanks to both of you for the viewpoint.

I thought it was him being an NBA Rookie.
But, like you all said, it is correctable.

P.S.:
It reminds me of some plays in the NFL. When a Rookie has made a great play. But the ball hasn't touched the ground, or the player hasn't been tagged. Therefore, the play is actually not dead.

I've seen that, where Veterans have told the Rookie (in-game) to keep going.

You made me think of when Plaxico Burress was a rookie and he spiked the ball after making a catch and falling to the ground without being touched.

Watch on YouTube

[Shak_Celts]

I haven't payed enough attention but I'll be sure to look out tonight. Thanks to both of you for the viewpoint.

I thought it was him being an NBA Rookie.
But, like you all said, it is correctable.

P.S.:
It reminds me of some plays in the NFL. When a Rookie has made a great play. But the ball hasn't touched the ground, or the player hasn't been tagged. Therefore, the play is actually not dead.

I've seen that, where Veterans have told the Rookie (in-game) to keep going.

You made me think of when Plaxico Burress was a rookie and he spiked the ball after making a catch and falling to the ground without being touched.

Watch on YouTube

OMG. That is only short of dropping the ball just shy of the endzone. it's only behind that because at least in college you are down when u go down, what he did was stupid but probably reflexive.

[Roddy]

IVe noticed that as well.

I haven't payed enough attention but I'll be sure to look out tonight. Thanks to both of you for the viewpoint.

I thought it was him being an NBA Rookie.
But, like you all said, it is correctable.

P.S.:
It reminds me of some plays in the NFL. When a Rookie has made a great play. But the ball hasn't touched the ground, or the player hasn't been tagged. Therefore, the play is actually not dead.

I've seen that, where Veterans have told the Rookie (in-game) to keep going.

Agree 100%. It's being a rookie.

It happens two times this season with a rookie from my Jacksonville Jaguars. He stops after the play, but the play is not over.

Rob Williams is young, raw and needs a lot of work....but the more I see him, the more I like him.

[TheTruth316]

It's called being out of shape. You either have the hustle, heart or you dont..

[Homerclease]

It's called being out of shape. You either have the hustle, heart or you dont..

He’s been rehabbing a knee all summer and hasn’t played since the NCAA tournament, of course he’s not in game shape.

[TheTruth316]

Gordon Hayward hasn't played since last year. He is in shape. Williams is able to make one jog up the court and he is gassed. Elite athleticism? Have you looked at him running full court? Can't believe that anyone is that slow.

[Homerclease]

Gordon Hayward hasn't played since last year. He is in shape. Williams is able to make one jog up the court and he is gassed. Elite athleticism? Have you looked at him running full court? Can't believe that anyone is that slow.

Gordon Hayward isn’t in game shape either. Not sure what you’re watching out there. He’s also been working out constantly over the summer trying to get back while Williams has been more or less mothballed. Your bias is clear and evident

[TheTruth316]

Not sure what you are watching.. lol. Hayward plays almost a full quarter, shows no signs of being winded. Puts effort into each play. Yes his shot isn't falling.

Williams can't play more than a minute without looking like he's gonna pass out. LMAO. Puts no effort into hustling across court. He's not in shape period! When your own mom has to make sure you live near the practice facilities, give me a break. !..

There is simply no comparison to the shape Hayward is in (with a MAJOR fracture) and Williams who can't keep appointments, pick up his feet and RUN.. Not jog like some 300 lb fattie. My gosh, even big baby or sullinger was in better shape!..