2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[510TWSS]

Sacramento's young core is sooo underrated.

I agree, they have some high ceiling guys, and I would even put Bogda there even though he is 26.

I can see it but it feels like they’re all so young and unproven that hey can go in a number of different directions.

I dunno about underrated, I think they’re accurately rated.

Bagley may be getting overly dumped on b/c Luka had a good game against non-nba competition so that may be unfair on Bagley.

I’m not sold on Fox being a star but maybe solid started with an outside shot to be an All Star one year. We’ll see but literally he’s gonna have to make strides this year too.

I’m out on WCS he can get paid by the New York’s, Los Angeles’ of the nba as he just wants to get paid. Call it Erick Dampier syndrome.

Hield could be solid but hopefully he ascends and gets better each year similar to Kris Middleton type of player.

You hope Bagley can become a Blake Griffin type athletic hustle type 4 who can defend multiple positions. We’ll see on him.

Literally the entire starting 5 is all within 2-3 years in the league. Tons of questions to answer so while I can see some of the hate obfuscating the truth we honestly don’t know if these guys are over or underrated just yet.

[Johnny Firpo]

I can see it but it feels like they’re all so young and unproven that hey can go in a number of different directions.

I dunno about underrated, I think they’re accurately rated.

Bagley may be getting overly dumped on b/c Luka had a good game against non-nba competition so that may be unfair on Bagley.

I’m not sold on Fox being a star but maybe solid started with an outside shot to be an All Star one year. We’ll see but literally he’s gonna have to make strides this year too.

I’m out on WCS he can get paid by the New York’s, Los Angeles’ of the nba as he just wants to get paid. Call it Erick Dampier syndrome.

Hield could be solid but hopefully he ascends and gets better each year similar to Kris Middleton type of player.

You hope Bagley can become a Blake Griffin type athletic hustle type 4 who can defend multiple positions. We’ll see on him.

Literally the entire starting 5 is all within 2-3 years in the league. Tons of questions to answer so while I can see some of the hate obfuscating the truth we honestly don’t know if these guys are over or underrated just yet.

On Fox I'm actually not that high, but Bagley and Giles have star potential in my opinion (not superstar, star), and Bogdanovic has borderline all-star potential. He's really a much, much better player than Fournier for example, who had back to back 17 point seasons on 55 and 57% TS respectively.

[G R E Y]

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The surgery, set for Monday, will be performed by Dr. David Schmidt.

This will be Walker's second experience with a similar injury in the same knee. After tearing his meniscus in a summer workout before the start of his freshman season at Miami, Walker was recovered in time to play in the Hurricanes' season opener in November.

Speaking earlier in Spurs training camp, Walker recounted his reaction to his first torn meniscus.

"I cried for 10 minutes," Walker said. "After that, I was like, 'It's a torn meniscus.' I've been through worse and I've seen worse."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-rookie-Walker-set-for-knee-surgery-13287114.php

[jayu70]

Trae Young better start knocking down three's soon. It's his biggest strength and it is a huge concern that he has been abysmal shooting from range in preseason and summer league.

IMO, Trey Young's biggest strength is his passing and shot creation for others. He wasn't an efficient shooter in college and I don't expect him to be in the NBA. If his shooting efficiency develops over his career, that will be a bonus. He needs to be enough of a shooting threat off the dribble to put pressure on the defense and set up his penetration and passing, and to able to efficiently knock down open catch and shoot looks. But he isn't "Curry Lite" and I think it's a mistake to expect him to play as if he is.

This exactly. His biggest strength is to run the offense and his passing and vision. With passes like these:

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[jcsunsfan]

Ayton

Among all NBA centers.

PPG--2nd
Rebounds--2nd
Blocks--1st

Among all rookies

PPG--1st, by 5.5 pts (over Miles Bridges)
Rebounds--1st by 3.7 boards (over Omari Spellman)
Blocks--1st by .5 blocks (over Doncic)
Minutes--1st (over Doncic by half a minute per game)

It is just preseason, of course. But he does not seem to be playing out of his mind by any means. He does it with ease.

And then there is this.

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[Phiology]

Ayton looks much better than i expected, on offence he is pretty much what was seen in college (except for that his game seems to translate well and his midrange jumper is wetter than I thought), but what is more surprising to me is that his defence is adequate at the moment.

Doncic looks good, but was what i expected. Bit better shooting would be nice.

Very positively surprised also by Miles Bridges (whom I thought had premier bust potential).

Expected negativity for me also for Bagley and Trae. Just don't see it/feel it.

[GimmeDat]

I don't think there was any doubt Ayton was going to be a 20/10 machine. There was no doubting his physical dominance and skill-set. The main reason why some outlets/pundits knocked him down is they think running your offense through a guy like that is not conducive to winning basketball, and that his defense was going to be a liability. I thought this was a major overreaction on both parts.

I had Ayton 1 most of the year, then towards the end gave Doncic the nod at #1. But those two were on their own island, compared to any of the prospects below them, imo.

[High 5]

Trae Young better start knocking down three's soon. It's his biggest strength and it is a huge concern that he has been abysmal shooting from range in preseason and summer league.

IMO, Trey Young's biggest strength is his passing and shot creation for others. He wasn't an efficient shooter in college and I don't expect him to be in the NBA. If his shooting efficiency develops over his career, that will be a bonus. He needs to be enough of a shooting threat off the dribble to put pressure on the defense and set up his penetration and passing, and to able to efficiently knock down open catch and shoot looks. But he isn't "Curry Lite" and I think it's a mistake to expect him to play as if he is.

It's crazy how quick people are to write off Young without even understanding his skillset.

[The-Power]

JJJ earning his stripes down low right now. I like it, he needs this experience. Inside-out big who hopefully continues to learn to play as a high post up and occasionally attack off the dribble.

Thus far, he looked good offensively. His potential is as high as anybody's in this year's draft.

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[thamadkant]

this draft might even be stronger than last year... I can see 5 players being future All-Stars and franchise players already... and its pre-season, but you know they should be able to keep this up since the teams that drafted them will rely on them a lot, as in high minutes and usage...

[Hesh]

It's been a strong draft so far, although only preseason, but it's great that everyone is showing out.

[Hubert44]

Trier did this in college a lot as well, I wouldn’t go all in just yet. He had some monster games at U of A where they would go to him over Ayton late in games. Guy can produce, the only problem is next game he will probably forget to show up. The guy is crazy inconsistent.

Best response so far and rings true following the New Orleans game (again we're still dealing with a tiny sample size).

My crude analysis based on two preseason games is that he has it in him to take his man (esp. 2nd stringers) off the dribble and score in bunches. But that he can go cold, force some pretty bad shots, and disrupt the flow of the offense. We already have Tim Hardaway Jr. for that

[LordCovington33]

this draft might even be stronger than last year... I can see 5 players being future All-Stars and franchise players already... and its pre-season, but you know they should be able to keep this up since the teams that drafted them will rely on them a lot, as in high minutes and usage...

Which ones make up the 5?

[Goudelock]

Trier did this in college a lot as well, I wouldn’t go all in just yet. He had some monster games at U of A where they would go to him over Ayton late in games. Guy can produce, the only problem is next game he will probably forget to show up. The guy is crazy inconsistent.

Best response so far and rings true following the New Orleans game (again we're still dealing with a tiny sample size).

My crude analysis based on two preseason games is that he has it in him to take his man (esp. 2nd stringers) off the dribble and score in bunches. But that he can go cold, force some pretty bad shots, and disrupt the flow of the offense. We already have Tim Hardaway Jr. for that

Moved to the Rookie of the Year thread. In 99% of circumstances, threads about rookies will be merged into this mega-thread.

[blitzbolt2]

Ayton is Legit but so far the player I like the most
Is JJJ the kid is already NBA all second team Defense at just 19 if the Grizz develop him right who knows how good he will be.

Now for Young he is playing PG one the hardest positions in the Nba and he has no talent around him we need to give him some time.

[MemphisX]

Trae is a lot like Mike Conley. Boy body in a mans league. As he gets stronger, his game will blossom. Might look rough for a couple of seasons though and will likely get laughs and “bust” talk but I think in the end, he will be a top notch point guard.

[yoyoboy]

I haven’t been high on Sexton at all, but I thought he looked decent these preseason games, the majority of which he’s playing with the bench. I think if he accepts a role as a combo guard (I don’t think I would ever trust him being the only guy with “point” abilities on the floor) off the bench, he can be a positive impact player.

[In2ition]

I love what Doncic is doing, filling it up on so many categories. He is going to be great in this league for a long time.

With that said, Ayton has been the best rookie. He has only played 3 games, but is starting to look like he might be pushing for one of the best big men in the league by the end of the year. You can tell that Igor is taking it slow with him and thinking about his long term success. So far he is concentrating on defense and just taking what the defense gives him on offense. He doesn't have an adequate pg, and Booker is out and if the Suns make a trade for a starting pg and/or get Booker back will make things even easier for him. We'll see how he does against GS tomorrow night, but that should be a blowout, especially as the Suns are terrible without a pg and their best player. It should be interesting how Ayton does though. They will try to pull him away from the basket on defense and isolate him on the perimeter at least to test him.

[Threezus]

Trae is a lot like Mike Conley. Boy body in a mans league. As he gets stronger, his game will blossom. Might look rough for a couple of seasons though and will likely get laughs and “bust” talk but I think in the end, he will be a top notch point guard.

Thats a solid evaluation of him he already has a very high IQ of running an offense and making elite level passes. If he ever blossoms like you are saying body wise he will be problem for alot of people for a very long time. I just hope he plays within his strengths for now until then and keeps improving every year. But as a facilitator and true nash style PG he has almost everything you want going forward.

[nikster]

Trae Young better start knocking down three's soon. It's his biggest strength and it is a huge concern that he has been abysmal shooting from range in preseason and summer league.

IMO, Trey Young's biggest strength is his passing and shot creation for others. He wasn't an efficient shooter in college and I don't expect him to be in the NBA. If his shooting efficiency develops over his career, that will be a bonus. He needs to be enough of a shooting threat off the dribble to put pressure on the defense and set up his penetration and passing, and to able to efficiently knock down open catch and shoot looks. But he isn't "Curry Lite" and I think it's a mistake to expect him to play as if he is.

It's crazy how quick people are to write off Young without even understanding his skillset.

I meant his biggest strength as a scorer. Even with the playmaking, it’s gonna be extremely difficult for him to score at a decent rate if his 3 point shooting doesn’t improve. I think it’s unlikely it doesn’t get better, but it’s gotta be a concern for fans if his struggles continue.