2018-19 Oklahoma City Thunder Preseason | October 3rd - October 9th

[ThunderBolt]

I like Ferguson too. The issue is his timeline with russ. We really need him to show SOMETHING this year.

[ThunderBolt]

Also, as much as i want to believe Adams is improved, some of it is the pathetic defense of KAT. I struggle to buy in to the hype around towns. On multiple occasions hes been physically dominated by Adams. KAT normally puts up good numbers but he’s soft as charmin. I think having Wiggins next to him takes some of the heat off of him that he should be getting.

That is why I think a trade along the lines of Adams, Abrines and Ferguson for Butler and Dieng makes sense. I don't think Minny would take Roberson as part of the package after the most recent set back when his career was already in serious question after the injury, but they might want him over Abrines given Thibs' love for defense. Adams would give Minny the toughness they need at center and KAT can play against "softer" PFs. Similar to Dirk who had the reputation for being soft early in his career because he couldn't bang in the paint. KAT has the stretch ability on offense to do that and the athleticism to guard PFs on defense.

Why are we trading Adams though? He's probably top 10 center if not top 5.
He isnt injury prone. He gets better every year. Good teammate.
We dont have any PF/C that deserves more minutes in rotation.

Already have wb-schroder-pg that can create with ball. I wouldnt say no to Butler but trading adams going to make bigger hole than we have in SG.


BTW I really like Schoder so far.
He's better playmaker than WB. WB playing SG going to be much better for this team.
PG's around the league are biggest offensive threats for their respective team. SG position is weak and most players are 3&D type of players.
WB even in playoffs against Rubio didnt look good defensively. I know he needs to save energy for offense so he can do it better at SG against most teams.
Let Schroder put some pressure on ball and defend the pg. He's a better playmaker and he can set the tempo better too. WB can also benefit from that too.

As good as Adams is, butler is better. If we ignore the headcoaching gap between OKC and GS, adding jimmy butler makes OKC much closer to golden states level. Plus Adams position has been marginalized by the game today. We already have Noel and could easily find a quality big. Whereas we’ve had one solid player at the two since harden left, Vic.

It doesn’t appear that Presti is really willing to go all in. His love for sustainability will likely prevent him from wanting to go after jimmy.

[spearsy23]

Schroder is a better playmaker than Russ? So he's a top 10 player in the NBA?

[ozwizard8]

Schroder is a better playmaker than Russ? So he's a top 10 player in the NBA?

Rubio is better playmaker too. CP3 is also.
But that doesnt mean they're better player.

WB creates good shots for his teammates as he's top 10 player in the league. He can score in many ways and defense collapse against his drives. That way he's getting good assist numbers. But Schroder looks better for pure pg duties. Playing sets, being more pass first etc.

[ozwizard8]

BTW I saw the team at the bar today. They're watching UFC fight.
Only couple players were missing. Main rotation except Robertson-Abrines was there.

S.Adams was rooting for Khabib
https://streamable.com/1smja

[getrichordie]

That is why I think a trade along the lines of Adams, Abrines and Ferguson for Butler and Dieng makes sense. I don't think Minny would take Roberson as part of the package after the most recent set back when his career was already in serious question after the injury, but they might want him over Abrines given Thibs' love for defense. Adams would give Minny the toughness they need at center and KAT can play against "softer" PFs. Similar to Dirk who had the reputation for being soft early in his career because he couldn't bang in the paint. KAT has the stretch ability on offense to do that and the athleticism to guard PFs on defense.

Why are we trading Adams though? He's probably top 10 center if not top 5.
He isnt injury prone. He gets better every year. Good teammate.
We dont have any PF/C that deserves more minutes in rotation.

Already have wb-schroder-pg that can create with ball. I wouldnt say no to Butler but trading adams going to make bigger hole than we have in SG.


BTW I really like Schoder so far.
He's better playmaker than WB. WB playing SG going to be much better for this team.
PG's around the league are biggest offensive threats for their respective team. SG position is weak and most players are 3&D type of players.
WB even in playoffs against Rubio didnt look good defensively. I know he needs to save energy for offense so he can do it better at SG against most teams.
Let Schroder put some pressure on ball and defend the pg. He's a better playmaker and he can set the tempo better too. WB can also benefit from that too.

As good as Adams is, butler is better. If we ignore the headcoaching gap between OKC and GS, adding jimmy butler makes OKC much closer to golden states level. Plus Adams position has been marginalized by the game today. We already have Noel and could easily find a quality big. Whereas we’ve had one solid player at the two since harden left, Vic.

It doesn’t appear that Presti is really willing to go all in. His love for sustainability will likely prevent him from wanting to go after jimmy.

You would trade Adams for 1 year of Butler?


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[spearsy23]

Schroder is a better playmaker than Russ? So he's a top 10 player in the NBA?

Rubio is better playmaker too. CP3 is also.
But that doesnt mean they're better player.

WB creates good shots for his teammates as he's top 10 player in the league. He can score in many ways and defense collapse against his drives. That way he's getting good assist numbers. But Schroder looks better for pure pg duties. Playing sets, being more pass first etc.

Schroder is one of the best isolation scorers in the league, Rubio isn't. Also, Rubio isn't a better playmaker.

If schroder was as good a playmaker as Russ he'd basically be Russ.

[slick_watts]

being one of the best isolation scorers in the league is great and all but that's like being the cutest girl at the ugly school.

also no one has been able to explain to me that disparity between schroder isolation and pnr handler ppp last year. yes, schroder was 1.06 ppp isolation on (albeit, on only 3.2 possessions per game) last year which is impressive for iso but he was 0.88 ppp on pnr handler possessions of which was more than three times more prolific (10.5 possessions per game). this is like 60th percentile. no bueno, considering the frequency. very russ-like.

if schroder was as good a playmaker as russ he'd be russ? what a lazy statement.

[ThunderBolt]

Why are we trading Adams though? He's probably top 10 center if not top 5.
He isnt injury prone. He gets better every year. Good teammate.
We dont have any PF/C that deserves more minutes in rotation.

Already have wb-schroder-pg that can create with ball. I wouldnt say no to Butler but trading adams going to make bigger hole than we have in SG.


BTW I really like Schoder so far.
He's better playmaker than WB. WB playing SG going to be much better for this team.
PG's around the league are biggest offensive threats for their respective team. SG position is weak and most players are 3&D type of players.
WB even in playoffs against Rubio didnt look good defensively. I know he needs to save energy for offense so he can do it better at SG against most teams.
Let Schroder put some pressure on ball and defend the pg. He's a better playmaker and he can set the tempo better too. WB can also benefit from that too.

As good as Adams is, butler is better. If we ignore the headcoaching gap between OKC and GS, adding jimmy butler makes OKC much closer to golden states level. Plus Adams position has been marginalized by the game today. We already have Noel and could easily find a quality big. Whereas we’ve had one solid player at the two since harden left, Vic.

It doesn’t appear that Presti is really willing to go all in. His love for sustainability will likely prevent him from wanting to go after jimmy.

You would trade Adams for 1 year of Butler?


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Yes

[spearsy23]

being one of the best isolation scorers in the league is great and all but that's like being the cutest girl at the ugly school.

Welcome to Thunder basketball?

also no one has been able to explain to me that disparity between schroder isolation and pnr handler ppp last year. yes, schroder was 1.06 ppp isolation on (albeit, on only 3.2 possessions per game) last year which is impressive for iso but he was 0.88 ppp on pnr handler possessions of which was more than three times more prolific (10.5 possessions per game). this is like 60th percentile. no bueno, considering the frequency.

Sometimes the answer is in the question.

very russ-like.

if schroder was as good a playmaker as russ he'd be russ? what a lazy statement.

Huh. Point out that they're stylistically similar in one line and call it lazy in the next.

[slick_watts]

Huh. Point out that they're stylistically similar in one line and call it lazy in the next.

yeah, no. westbrook and schroeder are both high frequency, average percentile pnr scorers but that does not follow that "schroder would be westbrook if he was as good a playmaker". that's a lazy, ludicrous statement. and your defense of it might be even worse. take a chill pill.

[spearsy23]

Huh. Point out that they're stylistically similar in one line and call it lazy in the next.

yeah, no. westbrook and schroeder are both high frequency, average percentile pnr scorers but that does not follow that "schroder would be westbrook if he was as good a playmaker". that's a lazy, ludicrous statement. and your defense of it might be even worse. take a chill pill.

High frequency, average efficiency p&r scorers/ high frequency isolation players/ low frequency average efficiency spot up/ bad off the dribble 3 point shooters.



I'm not even sure what you're attempting to take issue with since you didn't add anything to the discussion, the idea that schroder and Westbrook play basically the same game is not novel or unique. If schroder was capable of manipulating a defense the same way Russ is they'd be pretty much the same guy offensively.

[ThunderBolt]

We might have struck gold with Diallo.

[CROklahoma]

Diallo is absolutely impressive as a rookie ...
Biggest upside on our team.

[slick_watts]

I'm not even sure what you're attempting to take issue with since you didn't add anything to the discussion, the idea that schroder and Westbrook play basically the same game is not novel or unique.

i take issue with the idea that if schroder just had westbrook's playmaking ability he would essentially be westbrook. just to name one thing, you would be missing the transition element where westbrook led the league by a wide margin in possessions per game (nearly 1/4 of his total possessions used) while transition accounted for only 7.3% of schroder's offensive possessions. then you have FTr where westbrook also blows him away.

yeah they have a couple things alike, they are high usage scorers who can't make threes. it does not follow that schroder + westbrook's playmaking = westbrook. that's a lazy comparison.

If schroder was capable of manipulating a defense the same way Russ is they'd be pretty much the same guy offensively.

what does this even mean? you said play making. now you are saying manipulating a defense. and imo neither of these even touches on the primary difference offensively between the two. you're off base here.

[slick_watts]

man. i know i said it before but these curls we are running for pg are such a waste when they are inside the 3pt line. he's so bad at handling in traffic and doesn't see the court well enough-- almost always results in a contested mid-range shot. if anyone is asking why paul george's mid-range was so far down last year compared to years past i'd say these curl plays we are running as if he were kd are near the top of the list of reasons, if not at the top.

the curl works for him much better when he's behind the three point line. both because he has the floor in front of him making passes more obvious / easier and he has more space to dribble.

take this mid-range curl out of the play book.

[ThunderBolt]

man. i know i said it before but these curls we are running for pg are such a waste when they are inside the 3pt line. he's so bad at handling in traffic and doesn't see the court well enough-- almost always results in a contested mid-range shot. if anyone is asking why paul george's mid-range was so far down last year compared to years past i'd say these curl plays we are running as if he were kd are near the top of the list of reasons, if not at the top.

the curl works for him much better when he's behind the three point line. both because he has the floor in front of him making passes more obvious / easier and he has more space to dribble.

take this mid-range curl out of the play book.

Did you see anything you liked?

[slick_watts]

man. i know i said it before but these curls we are running for pg are such a waste when they are inside the 3pt line. he's so bad at handling in traffic and doesn't see the court well enough-- almost always results in a contested mid-range shot. if anyone is asking why paul george's mid-range was so far down last year compared to years past i'd say these curl plays we are running as if he were kd are near the top of the list of reasons, if not at the top.

the curl works for him much better when he's behind the three point line. both because he has the floor in front of him making passes more obvious / easier and he has more space to dribble.

take this mid-range curl out of the play book.

Did you see anything you liked?

diallo continues to impress but it's preseason so i don't get too worked up. schroder's good at getting to the rim. abrines continues to look decent. he made another three off a screen, made one the game before too. probably my only preseason conclusion as far as changing my mind on anything is that starting ferguson might not be worth it. he has been the least impressive of all the wings, to me. which as the youngest of them and highest draft pedigree is a bad sign.

[ThunderBolt]

man. i know i said it before but these curls we are running for pg are such a waste when they are inside the 3pt line. he's so bad at handling in traffic and doesn't see the court well enough-- almost always results in a contested mid-range shot. if anyone is asking why paul george's mid-range was so far down last year compared to years past i'd say these curl plays we are running as if he were kd are near the top of the list of reasons, if not at the top.

the curl works for him much better when he's behind the three point line. both because he has the floor in front of him making passes more obvious / easier and he has more space to dribble.

take this mid-range curl out of the play book.

Did you see anything you liked?

diallo continues to impress but it's preseason so i don't get too worked up. schroder's good at getting to the rim. abrines continues to look decent. he made another three off a screen, made one the game before too. probably my only preseason conclusion as far as changing my mind on anything is that starting ferguson might not be worth it. he has been the least impressive of all the wings, to me. which as the youngest of them and highest draft pedigree is a bad sign.

I noticed Abrines hitting shots off the screen too. I’m a little disappointed in Patterson. I like what I see from burton despite it not translating to baskets yet.

[slick_watts]

I noticed Abrines hitting shots off the screen too. I’m a little disappointed in Patterson. I like what I see from burton despite it not translating to baskets yet.

i'd wait on evaluating pat until he gets to play next to russ. schroder isn't as good as seeing the floor behind him. i just hope they don't put grant in there because pat isn't getting enough shots up.