Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Nick K]

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.

We trade Butler we aren't making the playoffs for at least five years and maybe another 13. I'm with Thibs on not trading Butler unless the value is at least reasonable. I like making the playoffs. We are stuck with Wiggins for another five years before we can upgrade if we lose Jimmy.

Your core is only 22 yrs old. I don't think it's a bad idea to be lotto bound one more yr. Around 24 and 25 is when players start maturing to compete on a high level. Getting one more elite prospect is not really all that bad. Might be an insurance if Wiggins is indeed a flop.

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One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

"Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great."


That is very true in most cases. Towns to a far lesser degree though. Wiggins most definitely.

That's why these kids need a little tough love as pro's and/or a veteran respected player to mentor them for 2 years +. I'd bench Wiggins for short periods if he's not doing what he should. Sometimes you have to embarrass a kid like that to get through to him.

POP used a quick hook on every SA player including Duncan to send a message to the rest of the guys. It worked.

[Neeva]

You know who else is immature Thibs!!! He throws tantrums like a toddler and he’s 60!!

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.

We trade Butler we aren't making the playoffs for at least five years and maybe another 13. I'm with Thibs on not trading Butler unless the value is at least reasonable. I like making the playoffs. We are stuck with Wiggins for another five years before we can upgrade if we lose Jimmy.

Your core is only 22 yrs old. I don't think it's a bad idea to be lotto bound one more yr. Around 24 and 25 is when players start maturing to compete on a high level. Getting one more elite prospect is not really all that bad. Might be an insurance if Wiggins is indeed a flop.

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One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

[KGdaBom]

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.

Your core is only 22 yrs old. I don't think it's a bad idea to be lotto bound one more yr. Around 24 and 25 is when players start maturing to compete on a high level. Getting one more elite prospect is not really all that bad. Might be an insurance if Wiggins is indeed a flop.

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One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

"Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great."


That is very true in most cases. Towns to a far lesser degree though. Wiggins most definitely.

That's why these kids need a little tough love as pro's and/or a veteran respected player to mentor them for 2 years +. I'd bench Wiggins for short periods if he's not doing what he should. Sometimes you have to embarrass a kid like that to get through to him.

POP used a quick hook on every SA player including Duncan to send a message to the rest of the guys. It worked.

Great post Nick

[KGdaBom]

You know who else is immature Thibs!!! He throws tantrums like a toddler and he’s 60!!

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.

Your core is only 22 yrs old. I don't think it's a bad idea to be lotto bound one more yr. Around 24 and 25 is when players start maturing to compete on a high level. Getting one more elite prospect is not really all that bad. Might be an insurance if Wiggins is indeed a flop.

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One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

You are correct. he's a brilliant basketball mind, but he acts childish sometimes.

[twix2500]

Lol, it's not about playing video games in general. He could be playing video games at times when he should be in the gym or watching film. We had an issue at work because we had employees playing Clash of Clan during working hours. You would hear someone say "Yo Rick send me 5 Hogs and 2 Dragons". Or "Yo mfer you got 5 mins to attack" while they on the phone with a customer. The older employees and supervisor didn't know what the hell they were doing. Lol

We actually had a dolphin player who got cut because he was addicted to madden.

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I think you are just applying that arbitrarily, you have no evidence he has neglected anything due to playing games. Obviously anything can distract people from accomplishing what they should, they could really like knitting and have a hard time pulling themselves away, doesnt really matter.

Theres 24 hours in a day, these guys effectively "work" 82 games a year for 2 hours. If they arent missing practices etc then everything outside of that is hard for me to judge. How much SHOULD a player be working out in the offseason etc? And to me that all comes down to the player. Im more of a balance person than a maniac, I think maniacs get diminishing returns and the additional work fuels ego more than anything else...I work harder. Work with the personality of the player to get the most out of them, dont demand they be what you think they should be, because if they disagree at all you failed.

Huh, you just said a bunch of jibber jabber. I have no evidence of what? Work with people personalities, duh. I am not proclaiming he has a gaming issue. I am not there to observe. But If a coworker is observing you and they notice that video games are a barrier. Its a good chance those games are hindering his or her development otherwise they wouldnt notice the gaming in general. No one is saying playing a game in itself hinders you. Just like drinking or smoking weed. But if outsiders are noticing your gaming, drinking or smoking habits, especially coworkers. Its a very good chance those habits are bleeding over to your working life. I play games, I drink but none of my coworkers are aware of that because it doesnt bleed over to my work life.

John Avery was a first round draft pick for the Miami Dolphins and his addiction to gaming was well known. He even admitted to it and why he ruined his pro career. It can happen and it has happened. Hell when I was in college I had to put gaming to the side because I notice it was effecting my study habits. There are plenty of personal habits that can hinder you from your development in other aspects of your life. I have personally experienced it and witness this throughout my life. I seen athletes who possessed great talent throw it all of way because of their personal habits, may it be drugs, or gaming or women. One sign that someone is losing focused is when they start rationalizing their habit and being defensive.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1999-01-16/sports/9901160009_1_john-avery-dolphins-coach-jimmy-johnson

One thing about greatness is that there has to be sacrifice. In order for you to be great something has to be sacrificed in your life for what you are trying to be great at. Its called the "Art of Sacrifice", look it up.

[Nick K]

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.





One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

"Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great."


That is very true in most cases. Towns to a far lesser degree though. Wiggins most definitely.

That's why these kids need a little tough love as pro's and/or a veteran respected player to mentor them for 2 years +. I'd bench Wiggins for short periods if he's not doing what he should. Sometimes you have to embarrass a kid like that to get through to him.

POP used a quick hook on every SA player including Duncan to send a message to the rest of the guys. It worked.

Great post Nick

Thanks.....

[walk with me]

You know who else is immature Thibs!!! He throws tantrums like a toddler and he’s 60!!

What tantrums? I’ve never seen him go crazy during a post game interview. He yells from the bench as a sign of his intensity. He may be rigid in his decision making but tantrums isn’t something he’s ever displayed. But this fits your thibs hate so hey lol.

And I’m not upset at you. You’re cool enough to admit you hate thibs, all I can do is respect your honesty.

[KGdaBom]

You know who else is immature Thibs!!! He throws tantrums like a toddler and he’s 60!!

What tantrums? I’ve never seen him go crazy during a post game interview. He yells from the bench as a sign of his intensity. He may be rigid in his decision making but tantrums isn’t something he’s ever displayed. But this fits your thibs hate so hey lol.

And I’m not upset at you. You’re cool enough to admit you hate thibs, all I can do is respect your honesty.

Thibs non-stop screaming from the bench I just don't believe is a good thing.

[Macwolf527]

"Hear is the structure"

Yeah, he seems legit.

I completely missed that. It's even more hilarious now!

[Nick K]

Lol, it's not about playing video games in general. He could be playing video games at times when he should be in the gym or watching film. We had an issue at work because we had employees playing Clash of Clan during working hours. You would hear someone say "Yo Rick send me 5 Hogs and 2 Dragons". Or "Yo mfer you got 5 mins to attack" while they on the phone with a customer. The older employees and supervisor didn't know what the hell they were doing. Lol

We actually had a dolphin player who got cut because he was addicted to madden.

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I think you are just applying that arbitrarily, you have no evidence he has neglected anything due to playing games. Obviously anything can distract people from accomplishing what they should, they could really like knitting and have a hard time pulling themselves away, doesnt really matter.

Theres 24 hours in a day, these guys effectively "work" 82 games a year for 2 hours. If they arent missing practices etc then everything outside of that is hard for me to judge. How much SHOULD a player be working out in the offseason etc? And to me that all comes down to the player. Im more of a balance person than a maniac, I think maniacs get diminishing returns and the additional work fuels ego more than anything else...I work harder. Work with the personality of the player to get the most out of them, dont demand they be what you think they should be, because if they disagree at all you failed.

Huh, you just said a bunch of jibber jabber. I have no evidence of what? Work with people personalities, duh. I am not proclaiming he has a gaming issue. I am not there to observe. But If a coworker is observing you and they notice that video games are a barrier. Its a good chance those games are hindering his or her development otherwise they wouldnt notice the gaming in general. No one is saying playing a game in itself hinders you. Just like drinking or smoking weed. But if outsiders are noticing your gaming, drinking or smoking habits, especially coworkers. Its a very good chance those habits are bleeding over to your working life. I play games, I drink but none of my coworkers are aware of that because it doesnt bleed over to my work life.

John Avery was a first round draft pick for the Miami Dolphins and his addiction to gaming was well known. He even admitted to it and why he ruined his pro career. It can happen and it has happened. Hell when I was in college I had to put gaming to the side because I notice it was effecting my study habits. There are plenty of personal habits that can hinder you from your development in other aspects of your life. I have personally experienced it and witness this throughout my life. I seen athletes who possessed great talent throw it all of way because of their personal habits, may it be drugs, or gaming or women. One sign that someone is losing focused is when they start rationalizing their habit and being defensive.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1999-01-16/sports/9901160009_1_john-avery-dolphins-coach-jimmy-johnson

One thing about greatness is that there has to be sacrifice. In order for you to be great something has to be sacrificed in your life for what you are trying to be great at. Its called the "Art of Sacrifice", look it up.

Wow! Well said. So true. That post was too good for this place.

[BadWolf]

If there any proof that KAT doesn't work hard or is immature? Anything he did, something someone said? Any rumors at all?

[_AIJ_]

If there any proof that KAT doesn't work hard or is immature? Anything he did, something sometime said? Any rumors at all?

No. People are just saying that because they like Butler more and are bringing down KAT.


ALICEinJAM

[walk with me]

You know who else is immature Thibs!!! He throws tantrums like a toddler and he’s 60!!

What tantrums? I’ve never seen him go crazy during a post game interview. He yells from the bench as a sign of his intensity. He may be rigid in his decision making but tantrums isn’t something he’s ever displayed. But this fits your thibs hate so hey lol.

And I’m not upset at you. You’re cool enough to admit you hate thibs, all I can do is respect your honesty.

Thibs non-stop screaming from the bench I just don't believe is a good thing.

For Kat and wiggs specially maybe not but there are hall of fame coaches who scream. If anything it depends on your roster but I wouldn’t call that childish. Just really and at times maybe overly intense.

[Killboard]

Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great.





One more year? Is the west suddenly becoming a trash conference?

W/O butler
Warriors - better than us for next 2-4 years
Houston - better than us for next 2-4 years
Lakers - ^
Okc - ^
Spurs - ^
Denver - Better than us for next 1-3 years
Portland - ^
Utah - ^
Memphis - ^

This doesn’t include Dallas, suns and clippers who either are ran properly or have brighter futures simply cause their players play hard. Unlike Wiggins.

"Wiggins and Kat are immature. It has nothing to do with video games. They’ve been pampered their whole life and unlike guys like Westbrook, steph, Giannis, embiid, dame, booker, ben Simmons, Donovan mitchell... they were crowned extremely early based off talent and not accomplishment which ruined their engines/desire to be great."


That is very true in most cases. Towns to a far lesser degree though. Wiggins most definitely.

That's why these kids need a little tough love as pro's and/or a veteran respected player to mentor them for 2 years +. I'd bench Wiggins for short periods if he's not doing what he should. Sometimes you have to embarrass a kid like that to get through to him.

POP used a quick hook on every SA player including Duncan to send a message to the rest of the guys. It worked.

Great post Nick

Pop also excels at communication, see his team as a family and gives input to smart people around him. I think Thibs does neither of those things.

[Rashodamus]

Huh, you just said a bunch of jibber jabber. I have no evidence of what? Work with people personalities, duh. I am not proclaiming he has a gaming issue. I am not there to observe. But If a coworker is observing you and they notice that video games are a barrier. Its a good chance those games are hindering his or her development otherwise they wouldnt notice the gaming in general. No one is saying playing a game in itself hinders you. Just like drinking or smoking weed. But if outsiders are noticing your gaming, drinking or smoking habits, especially coworkers. Its a very good chance those habits are bleeding over to your working life. I play games, I drink but none of my coworkers are aware of that because it doesnt bleed over to my work life.

John Avery was a first round draft pick for the Miami Dolphins and his addiction to gaming was well known. He even admitted to it and why he ruined his pro career. It can happen and it has happened. Hell when I was in college I had to put gaming to the side because I notice it was effecting my study habits. There are plenty of personal habits that can hinder you from your development in other aspects of your life. I have personally experienced it and witness this throughout my life. I seen athletes who possessed great talent throw it all of way because of their personal habits, may it be drugs, or gaming or women. One sign that someone is losing focused is when they start rationalizing their habit and being defensive.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1999-01-16/sports/9901160009_1_john-avery-dolphins-coach-jimmy-johnson

One thing about greatness is that there has to be sacrifice. In order for you to be great something has to be sacrificed in your life for what you are trying to be great at. Its called the "Art of Sacrifice", look it up.

So if I say you have a problem posting nonsense, you therefor have a problem posting nonsense because a peer commented on it? I am just trying to grasp your logic. You are lending credence to the arbitrary perception and opinion of "outsiders" in determining reality, its laughable.

Sweet, I never made an argument that people cant be addicted to things and that can hinder them so awesome strawman.

[walk with me]

If there any proof that KAT doesn't work hard or is immature? Anything he did, something sometime said? Any rumors at all?

No. People are just saying that because they like Butler more and are bringing down KAT.


ALICEinJAM

Not trying to bring Kat down. Just saying my observations. I look at their character and demeanor on the court.

I look at guys like embiid, Giannis, Mitchell, Tatum, Simmons and they appear to be mature based on their actions on the court. None shrink in the moment and all these guys respond to in court challenges in a good way. Kat and Wiggins in the playoffs responded like little kids. Which is whatever, maybe they’ll grow and maybe they won’t but they certain didn’t handle themselves like grown men and really haven’t at any points in the season. They look and play like rookies. I don’t care what they do in their free time. That kind of innaturity really doesn’t matter to me cause it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re also immature on the basketball court.

Shaq for most of his career and even now seems ridiculously immature but on the court he kicked ass and took names. Give me that 10x out of 10 over someone who’s immature on the court.

[Killboard]

Lol, it's not about playing video games in general. He could be playing video games at times when he should be in the gym or watching film. We had an issue at work because we had employees playing Clash of Clan during working hours. You would hear someone say "Yo Rick send me 5 Hogs and 2 Dragons". Or "Yo mfer you got 5 mins to attack" while they on the phone with a customer. The older employees and supervisor didn't know what the hell they were doing. Lol

We actually had a dolphin player who got cut because he was addicted to madden.

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I think you are just applying that arbitrarily, you have no evidence he has neglected anything due to playing games. Obviously anything can distract people from accomplishing what they should, they could really like knitting and have a hard time pulling themselves away, doesnt really matter.

Theres 24 hours in a day, these guys effectively "work" 82 games a year for 2 hours. If they arent missing practices etc then everything outside of that is hard for me to judge. How much SHOULD a player be working out in the offseason etc? And to me that all comes down to the player. Im more of a balance person than a maniac, I think maniacs get diminishing returns and the additional work fuels ego more than anything else...I work harder. Work with the personality of the player to get the most out of them, dont demand they be what you think they should be, because if they disagree at all you failed.

Huh, you just said a bunch of jibber jabber. I have no evidence of what? Work with people personalities, duh. I am not proclaiming he has a gaming issue. I am not there to observe. But If a coworker is observing you and they notice that video games are a barrier. Its a good chance those games are hindering his or her development otherwise they wouldnt notice the gaming in general. No one is saying playing a game in itself hinders you. Just like drinking or smoking weed. But if outsiders are noticing your gaming, drinking or smoking habits, especially coworkers. Its a very good chance those habits are bleeding over to your working life. I play games, I drink but none of my coworkers are aware of that because it doesnt bleed over to my work life.

John Avery was a first round draft pick for the Miami Dolphins and his addiction to gaming was well known. He even admitted to it and why he ruined his pro career. It can happen and it has happened. Hell when I was in college I had to put gaming to the side because I notice it was effecting my study habits. There are plenty of personal habits that can hinder you from your development in other aspects of your life. I have personally experienced it and witness this throughout my life. I seen athletes who possessed great talent throw it all of way because of their personal habits, may it be drugs, or gaming or women. One sign that someone is losing focused is when they start rationalizing their habit and being defensive.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1999-01-16/sports/9901160009_1_john-avery-dolphins-coach-jimmy-johnson

One thing about greatness is that there has to be sacrifice. In order for you to be great something has to be sacrificed in your life for what you are trying to be great at. Its called the "Art of Sacrifice", look it up.

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And which is the limit on this? Is KAT hindering his development as an all NBA player at 22 yo? Since you can only compare with himself on this, how you analize what and how long can he play games safely? Are they paid enough to not have free time? Not everybody has the same way to work, and even then all consider themselves hard workers.

[theGreatRC]

If there any proof that KAT doesn't work hard or is immature? Anything he did, something sometime said? Any rumors at all?

No. People are just saying that because they like Butler more and are bringing down KAT.


ALICEinJAM

Exactly

There’s plently of things KAT has achieved in his young career that leads us to believe he DOES work hard & many interviews where he shows plenty of maturity and poise.

-ROY
-All Star
-All NBA
-Double double leader for all players last season
-has NEVER missed a game in 3 years. You know how hard that is? Like, this man hasn’t even had a sick day from work

And there’s actually more stats ive seen that he’s one of only a few players to achieve certain stat lines, but I can’t think of it off the top of my head.

His defense is bad, but he is a great player that does in fact work hard. You don’t achieve success in your line of work if you don’t

[Rashodamus]

And which is the limit on this? Is KAT hindering his development as an all NBA player at 22 yo? Since you can only compare with himself on this, how you analize what and how long can he play games safely? Are they paid enough to not have free time? Not everybody has the same way to work, and even then all consider themselves hard workers.

Exactly.

We talkin bout practice. PRACTICE! Not a game, practice!

Im not even trying to go full AI on it. I just think its funny when these people have these delusions that these players should literally have no lives and wake up and practice until they go to bed. Notice none of these people would ever criticize Jimmy Butler going off to venice, rome, greece etc, its been beaten into their head how hard he works so hes allowed to be a normal human being and enjoy his life off the court.

But them vidya games! rot yer brain! You should be in the gym!

[Loyal[]Wolf]

If the Wolves are unable to trade Butler before the start of the regular season, he may have to return to begin practicing. Butler is not expected to forfeit game checks once the season begins.

Butler has been in touch with several teammates including Taj Gibson and Josh Okogie.

JON KRAWCZYNSKI/THE ATHLETIC