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Political Roundtable Part XXII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1721 » by Pointgod » Mon Oct 8, 2018 8:38 pm

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daoneandonly,

let me be clear. This d-bag Pointgod AKA "obnoxious liberal" and his j-azz alter ego GTN solely exist in this thread to chase off conservative voices. he will relentlessly attack any opposing voice. And he does not even live in the US. He has only one objective: To troll you to frustrate you to shut you up. To shut up any non liberal. Imma about 99.9% certain he is nothing more than a broke dick 23 year old living in his mamma's basement who borrows the car occasionally to drive for uber so he can get some money for weed and then hit up his local 7-11 his daily dinner a hot dog and a big gulp of mountain dew. He is one of just a small number of human waste that can NOT seem to find gainful employment in the most successful economies that the US has ever experienced. Because he smokes weed all day and posts on the internet instead of going to work. So he blames trump! For triggering him, i guess. Worse, He's not even funny!


This must be an example the vicious liberal attacks that Popper often talks about. I wonder if this will get a warning from the mods or if they'll just ignore it because it's par the course for STD.


I would counsel std as I have others on this thread that vitriol and name calling serve no useful purpose if honest political debate/give-and-take is the objective. It’s a good thing I never had to make a living as a counselor because I would have starved to death.


Good to know that you would "counsel" STD regarding his name calling but it's not to the point where it makes you want to stop posting. Interesting.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1722 » by Pointgod » Mon Oct 8, 2018 8:43 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
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I can see those points, but its doe snot take running for a coveted seat like Prez or SCOTUS to all of a sudden get stamped with the tag of rapist or sexual deviant. i just dont see how he would not have been associated with any of these allegations in 25 some years, not one person spoke up, not one witness said hey, there's a rapist among us, zilch, but the moment he's about to be confirmed, he's a predator. it just seems all too convenient.


You throw around that rapist tag even though no one was accusing him of such. Yet you are the embodiment of everything corrupt with that line of thinking. As Trevor Noah pointed out, why would any woman come forward when you'll be used as a punching bag at a political rally by the POS in the white house?


And why would any victim hire avennetti as her lawyer? Nothing more but notoriety.


Please tell me how hiring Avenatti has anything to do with whether a victim is credible or not. Avennatti can be criticized for how he handled Swetnick, but other than being an outspoken critic of Trump how does his involvement mean a victims not credible.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1723 » by pancakes3 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 8:45 pm

having stances on abortion is one thing, and misdirecting feelings re: abortions to subsequent issues is another.

we can start with the broader premise that conservatives want a more conservative court.

next, we can all agree that justices need to be nominated and confirmed in accordance with the constitution.

this is where steps upon steps of cognitive dissonance starts to divide us. what is or is not acceptable in the confirmation process? mcconnell led the charge in stalling for a year on garland. there has to be comity there - stalling tactics either are or are not acceptable. are we allowing lame duck stalling, but not other forms of stalling?

what about kavanaugh specifically? a referendum on kavanaugh is not a referendum on conservative judges wholesale. the man is being considered for the supreme court, and needs to be vetted as such. the justice in theory should be beyond reproach, not because he is certain to vote a certain way on a certain issue. after all, there's a long list of judges who can and will accordingly on those issues. so, why kavanaugh?

the next step of reconciling the dissonance is to use the midterms as an excuse. kavanaugh must be confirmed because after the midterms, the composition of the senate might change and would affect the confirmation process. this is borne either out of fear of retaliation for garland, or a fear of losing the votes to confirm. both of these are predicated on the assumption that the dems won't play ball. this is despite history telling us that Gorsuch was confirmed 54-45, Alito was confirmed 58-42, and Roberts was confirmed 78-22.

not to mention the personal disqualification of kavanaugh, namely the allegations against him plus his response to these allegations. a friendly reminder that the confirmation hearings are not a trial of fact, but rather a survey of suitability. nominees have been withdrawn for less, notably Douglas Ginsberg (no relation to Ruth) being withdrawn after it was alleged that he had smoked weed some 20-30 years prior.

so that original premise - that conservatives want a conservative justice, which is treated as a given, has followed the narrative, bit by bit, to that kavanaugh must be confirmed, with the corollaries - kavanaugh must be fit, and anyone looking to oppose kavanaugh must be wrong.

the common sense answer to all of this should probably fall somewhere in the middle where kavanaugh does not get confirmed but an alternate conservative judge does, but there has been zero conservative voices that say as such.

that's what's driving discord. politics is being driven out of fear of the other side, fear of retaliation, that somehow this false dichotomy of kavanaugh or nothing, is being presented as the only choice and the third choice - the compromise, the reasoned solution is not being considered.

dems are to blame as well. feinstein absolutely sat on this news as a last-second gamble and shame on her for that. but two wrongs don't make a right here.

clearly there are consequences to having a left/right-leaning court but, but the process matters. there's been a lot of talking about "due process" lately. the senate confirmation hearing process IS the process that is due in this situation. it must be respected. confirmation does not mean a rubber stamp. a thorough investigation is not stalling - it's what should be done.

anyone, be it trump, or graham, or any other bloviator who believes that political control entitles them to political expediency does not have respect for the process, nor the patience or temperance of leadership. and it's this rhetoric, their words, that frame the issues. it's through their insistence that the compromise solution is a non-starter. they won't allow it. and the passion with which they speak is infectious. you can see it being duplicated by pundits, and those who post on this board. there's a breakdown in objectivity as weak arguments are being propped up as gospel truths.

as an example, SD upthread said that kavanaugh's not even his choice, yet he gleefully surmises that Ford is making millions off this incident. someone who has no stakes in the outcome has completely bought into the narrative that if any pushback to the political expediency must be obstruction, and automatically demonizes anyone who is not on his side. it's awful. what's worse is that i don't see any way of reconciliation. even when kavanaugh "wins" dr. ford is still wrong in his eyes.


long winded post just to say, politics in 2018 is depressing. i don't really know what i'm trying to get at with my post.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1724 » by GhostofChenier » Mon Oct 8, 2018 8:49 pm

dckingsfan wrote:GOC = SD - they are one in the same person... You can easily use google translate when posting in boards using a different language. Just put them on ignore and be done with it :D


Duckingsfan. I don’t speak Russian. I speak belorusian.

I will usgoogle e translate like u. Also u inspires me when I came here now u r just sound like a belorusian. Fake and changing alwyasZ

—-1

I am belorusian, I lived in Minnesota. My mother still lives there. My visa expired.
My mother drives a bus in Saint Paul. She sends me money. She works 3 jobs. I used to work at UPS but my visa was not renewed.

I speak 3-4 languages, I am far from a fool. I do like to play and tease but this is not a ruse. I hope to arrive again in USA. But I must finish my university here.

Please remember your actions and morals inspire the world. But all I see here is crying and screaming of a government majority of globe wants.

15 dollars an hour is five percent of what I make here in one month. Also to moderators please don’t attack me. I’m Slav it doesn’t impact me but for a kind political scheme the Democrats seem to be opposite.

——

Howard Mass responses. Ruziois no more attack of my religion an nation. U r mod. The game of religin and nation is easy to play. In minesota i am great rfuge and away I am trash? Hypocrise

Trump gets raises for me before visa and my mother higher money. B4 we get food stamp and get to.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1725 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:03 pm

What is going to be interesting is when thing change. I guess the Rs will be okay when the Ds push their candidate through with nominations with limited or no vetting. There will be a time when things change - this is a pendulum.

One thing that is moving over time is women's rights. There will be a time (as it is currently going) where things that Crosby, Kavanaugh, etc. do will cost them. And has cost them... and I am good with the Rs putting themselves in a box for the future. Short-term gain - but long-term. not so much.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1726 » by Pointgod » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:14 pm

pancakes3 wrote:having stances on abortion is one thing, and misdirecting feelings re: abortions to subsequent issues is another.

we can start with the broader premise that conservatives want a more conservative court.

next, we can all agree that justices need to be nominated and confirmed in accordance with the constitution.

this is where steps upon steps of cognitive dissonance starts to divide us. what is or is not acceptable in the confirmation process? mcconnell led the charge in stalling for a year on garland. there has to be comity there - stalling tactics either are or are not acceptable. are we allowing lame duck stalling, but not other forms of stalling?

what about kavanaugh specifically? a referendum on kavanaugh is not a referendum on conservative judges wholesale. the man is being considered for the supreme court, and needs to be vetted as such. the justice in theory should be beyond reproach, not because he is certain to vote a certain way on a certain issue. after all, there's a long list of judges who can and will accordingly on those issues. so, why kavanaugh?

the next step of reconciling the dissonance is to use the midterms as an excuse. kavanaugh must be confirmed because after the midterms, the composition of the senate might change and would affect the confirmation process. this is borne either out of fear of retaliation for garland, or a fear of losing the votes to confirm. both of these are predicated on the assumption that the dems won't play ball. this is despite history telling us that Gorsuch was confirmed 54-45, Alito was confirmed 58-42, and Roberts was confirmed 78-22.

not to mention the personal disqualification of kavanaugh, namely the allegations against him plus his response to these allegations. a friendly reminder that the confirmation hearings are not a trial of fact, but rather a survey of suitability. nominees have been withdrawn for less, notably Douglas Ginsberg (no relation to Ruth) being withdrawn after it was alleged that he had smoked weed some 20-30 years prior.

so that original premise - that conservatives want a conservative justice, which is treated as a given, has followed the narrative, bit by bit, to that kavanaugh must be confirmed, with the corollaries - kavanaugh must be fit, and anyone looking to oppose kavanaugh must be wrong.

the common sense answer to all of this should probably fall somewhere in the middle where kavanaugh does not get confirmed but an alternate conservative judge does, but there has been zero conservative voices that say as such.

that's what's driving discord. politics is being driven out of fear of the other side, fear of retaliation, that somehow this false dichotomy of kavanaugh or nothing, is being presented as the only choice and the third choice - the compromise, the reasoned solution is not being considered.

dems are to blame as well. feinstein absolutely sat on this news as a last-second gamble and shame on her for that. but two wrongs don't make a right here.

clearly there are consequences to having a left/right-leaning court but, but the process matters. there's been a lot of talking about "due process" lately. the senate confirmation hearing process IS the process that is due in this situation. it must be respected. confirmation does not mean a rubber stamp. a thorough investigation is not stalling - it's what should be done.

anyone, be it trump, or graham, or any other bloviator who believes that political control entitles them to political expediency does not have respect for the process, nor the patience or temperance of leadership. and it's this rhetoric, their words, that frame the issues. it's through their insistence that the compromise solution is a non-starter. they won't allow it. and the passion with which they speak is infectious. you can see it being duplicated by pundits, and those who post on this board. there's a breakdown in objectivity as weak arguments are being propped up as gospel truths.

as an example, SD upthread said that kavanaugh's not even his choice, yet he gleefully surmises that Ford is making millions off this incident. someone who has no stakes in the outcome has completely bought into the narrative that if any pushback to the political expediency must be obstruction, and automatically demonizes anyone who is not on his side. it's awful. what's worse is that i don't see any way of reconciliation. even when kavanaugh "wins" dr. ford is still wrong in his eyes.


long winded post just to say, politics in 2018 is depressing. i don't really know what i'm trying to get at with my post.


Let me save you the time and reframe. Republicans are amoral, disingenuous liars and hypocrites. Donald Trump, Roy Moore and now Kavanaugh. They don't care about women, they don't care about the process or rule of law, they don't care about the country they only care about power and ideology. They were going to push Kavanugh through no matter when Diane Feinstein released information about Dr. Ford. You ask why Kavanaugh when any other Conservative judge would do? Because it's the ultimate show of force and **** you anyone that tries to stand up to them.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1727 » by Pointgod » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:24 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What is going to be interesting is when thing change. I guess the Rs will be okay when the Ds push their candidate through with nominations with limited or no vetting. There will be a time when things change - this is a pendulum.

One thing that is moving over time is women's rights. There will be a time (as it is currently going) where things that Crosby, Kavanaugh, etc. do will cost them. And has cost them... and I am good with the Rs putting themselves in a box for the future. Short-term gain - but long-term. not so much.


A Democratic President would never nominate someone as flawed as Kavanaugh.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1728 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:31 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is going to be interesting is when thing change. I guess the Rs will be okay when the Ds push their candidate through with nominations with limited or no vetting. There will be a time when things change - this is a pendulum.

One thing that is moving over time is women's rights. There will be a time (as it is currently going) where things that Crosby, Kavanaugh, etc. do will cost them. And has cost them... and I am good with the Rs putting themselves in a box for the future. Short-term gain - but long-term. not so much.

A Democratic President would never nominate someone as flawed as Kavanaugh.

They certainly haven't in the recent past, certainly not on the order of Thomas or Brett the Kaveman.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1729 » by JWizmentality » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:41 pm

Pointgod wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
You throw around that rapist tag even though no one was accusing him of such. Yet you are the embodiment of everything corrupt with that line of thinking. As Trevor Noah pointed out, why would any woman come forward when you'll be used as a punching bag at a political rally by the POS in the white house?


And why would any victim hire avennetti as her lawyer? Nothing more but notoriety.


Please tell me how hiring Avenatti has anything to do with whether a victim is credible or not. Avennatti can be criticized for how he handled Swetnick, but other than being an outspoken critic of Trump how does his involvement mean a victims not credible.



OOOOoooo I wanna play! :D Why would Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Kathy Shelton rally around a man with multiple allegations of sexual assault against him. And even admitted it? Must be for the notoriety. They must be full of it too. Let me not hear another word about Bill Clinton from you conservatives. :roll:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1730 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:51 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What is going to be interesting is when thing change. I guess the Rs will be okay when the Ds push their candidate through with nominations with limited or no vetting. There will be a time when things change - this is a pendulum.

One thing that is moving over time is women's rights. There will be a time (as it is currently going) where things that Crosby, Kavanaugh, etc. do will cost them. And has cost them... and I am good with the Rs putting themselves in a box for the future. Short-term gain - but long-term. not so much.


the counter will be more women on the ticket. I will not be surprised if both the GOP and DNC presidential candidates in 2024 are women, perhaps as early as 2020 if trump loses interest.

And I predict Candace Owens will be the GOP candidate in 2024. All she has to do is get some experience and not step in any doodoo along the way. She's golden! And she would win. :nod: :nod: and she'll do what Barrack Obama failed to do. Lift the entire african american urban neighborhoods to new heights they deserve. It has been too long. The journey for 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and older generation african americans has not gone where it should have nor fast enough. This country was built on the backs of the free labor of their ancestors of mostly africans and against their rights and freedoms. We owe them more. We owe them self reliance. we owe them Self sustainability. we owe them full ownership of their lives, their futures, their careers, their homes, and so much more. We ow them equal employment and labor participation rates as well as equal or perhaps even hogher wages! We owe them elite educations. We owe them familial stability. We owe them victor status not victim status. And Candace Owens is the Girl to deliver it. I really believe that! The Secret Phucking Weapon!! :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

But she needs experience. She needs to run for congress in 2020 at the latest or run for a seat in a special sooner. Then run for senate in 2022. Just pick the right districts and she is a certain victory.

I dont think anyone can beat her. Not even trump once she is fully seasoned and has a few congressional and senatorial years of experience.

Act or not Monte, She is the real deal. And dont ever forget. it's all an act. For everyone. Just some of us never realize it or realize it way too late. I think she gets it. :nod: :nod:

and think of it!!!! :o :o :o Kamala harris Vs. :o :o :o Candace owens 2024!!!!!!! :o :o :o Bring out the popcorn!!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1731 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 9:58 pm

GhostofChenier wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:GOC = SD - they are one in the same person... You can easily use google translate when posting in boards using a different language. Just put them on ignore and be done with it :D


Duckingsfan. I don’t speak Russian. I speak belorusian.

I will usgoogle e translate like u. Also u inspires me when I came here now u r just sound like a belorusian. Fake and changing alwyasZ

—-1

I am belorusian, I lived in Minnesota. My mother still lives there. My visa expired.
My mother drives a bus in Saint Paul. She sends me money. She works 3 jobs. I used to work at UPS but my visa was not renewed.

I speak 3-4 languages, I am far from a fool. I do like to play and tease but this is not a ruse. I hope to arrive again in USA. But I must finish my university here.

Please remember your actions and morals inspire the world. But all I see here is crying and screaming of a government majority of globe wants.

15 dollars an hour is five percent of what I make here in one month. Also to moderators please don’t attack me. I’m Slav it doesn’t impact me but for a kind political scheme the Democrats seem to be opposite.

——

Howard Mass responses. Ruziois no more attack of my religion an nation. U r mod. The game of religin and nation is easy to play. In minesota i am great rfuge and away I am trash? Hypocrise

Trump gets raises for me before visa and my mother higher money. B4 we get food stamp and get to.


dont worry about ruzious. he just enjoys getting his panties in a bundle and wedged in his azz. I think he sniffs them when he pulls em out. No bull shxt!

and dont bother howard with any of this. He's busy and has to please everyone. Monte and Nate will be fair to you here on this board. I guarantee it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1732 » by popper » Mon Oct 8, 2018 10:27 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
GhostofChenier wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:GOC = SD - they are one in the same person... You can easily use google translate when posting in boards using a different language. Just put them on ignore and be done with it :D


Duckingsfan. I don’t speak Russian. I speak belorusian.

I will usgoogle e translate like u. Also u inspires me when I came here now u r just sound like a belorusian. Fake and changing alwyasZ

—-1

I am belorusian, I lived in Minnesota. My mother still lives there. My visa expired.
My mother drives a bus in Saint Paul. She sends me money. She works 3 jobs. I used to work at UPS but my visa was not renewed.

I speak 3-4 languages, I am far from a fool. I do like to play and tease but this is not a ruse. I hope to arrive again in USA. But I must finish my university here.

Please remember your actions and morals inspire the world. But all I see here is crying and screaming of a government majority of globe wants.

15 dollars an hour is five percent of what I make here in one month. Also to moderators please don’t attack me. I’m Slav it doesn’t impact me but for a kind political scheme the Democrats seem to be opposite.

——

Howard Mass responses. Ruziois no more attack of my religion an nation. U r mod. The game of religin and nation is easy to play. In minesota i am great rfuge and away I am trash? Hypocrise

Trump gets raises for me before visa and my mother higher money. B4 we get food stamp and get to.


dont worry about ruzious. he just enjoys getting his panties in a bundle and wedged in his azz. I think he sniffs them when he pulls em out. No bull shxt!

and dont bother howard with any of this. He's busy and has to please everyone. Monte and Nate will be fair to you here on this board. I guarantee it.


I welcome your posts as well GoC. It’s refreshing to read your unique perspective.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1733 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 8, 2018 10:37 pm

popper wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
GhostofChenier wrote:
Duckingsfan. I don’t speak Russian. I speak belorusian.

I will usgoogle e translate like u. Also u inspires me when I came here now u r just sound like a belorusian. Fake and changing alwyasZ

—-1

I am belorusian, I lived in Minnesota. My mother still lives there. My visa expired.
My mother drives a bus in Saint Paul. She sends me money. She works 3 jobs. I used to work at UPS but my visa was not renewed.

I speak 3-4 languages, I am far from a fool. I do like to play and tease but this is not a ruse. I hope to arrive again in USA. But I must finish my university here.

Please remember your actions and morals inspire the world. But all I see here is crying and screaming of a government majority of globe wants.

15 dollars an hour is five percent of what I make here in one month. Also to moderators please don’t attack me. I’m Slav it doesn’t impact me but for a kind political scheme the Democrats seem to be opposite.

——

Howard Mass responses. Ruziois no more attack of my religion an nation. U r mod. The game of religin and nation is easy to play. In minesota i am great rfuge and away I am trash? Hypocrise

Trump gets raises for me before visa and my mother higher money. B4 we get food stamp and get to.


dont worry about ruzious. he just enjoys getting his panties in a bundle and wedged in his azz. I think he sniffs them when he pulls em out. No bull shxt!

and dont bother howard with any of this. He's busy and has to please everyone. Monte and Nate will be fair to you here on this board. I guarantee it.


I welcome your posts as well GoC. It’s refreshing to read your unique perspective.

This is so SD:

- mother works 6 jobs.
- lived in the US but don't speak English and don't know how to use google translate
- live in Belarus and don't speak Russian - all of my friends in Belarus speak some Russian.

Sorry - doesn't pass the laugh test - SD, create a better faux account. You brought the BS - live with it...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1734 » by gtn130 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 10:59 pm

SD20, this is my only account. I’m very happy for mods to cross reference my IP address with pointgod’s under the condition we do the same with you and GoC, although you’re *probably* capable of using a vpn
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1735 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 8, 2018 11:01 pm

gtn130 wrote:SD20, this is my only account. I’m very happy for mods to cross reference my IP address with pointgod’s under the condition we do the same with you and GoC, although you’re *probably* capable of using a vpn

Doesn't matter - he hasn't been to Belarus or he would have known everyone speaks Russian there... caught (kind of like Kavanaugh :D)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1736 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 11:43 pm

i post here solely on one account. mods can do IP checks on all of us. And i've been here for a reader for almost 20 years and 17 as a poster.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1737 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 8, 2018 11:58 pm

gtn130 wrote:SD20, this is my only account. I’m very happy for mods to cross reference my IP address with pointgod’s under the condition we do the same with you and GoC, although you’re *probably* capable of using a vpn


go ahead! IP check away and even list my location. I'm in downtown chicago illinois when Im not at an office on the south side or western burbs. and i'm old. i dont even know what a VPN is. I just figured out how to post twitter stuff on here last year and gifty 5 months ago.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1738 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Oct 9, 2018 12:07 am

pancakes3 wrote:having stances on abortion is one thing, and misdirecting feelings re: abortions to subsequent issues is another.

we can start with the broader premise that conservatives want a more conservative court.

next, we can all agree that justices need to be nominated and confirmed in accordance with the constitution.

this is where steps upon steps of cognitive dissonance starts to divide us. what is or is not acceptable in the confirmation process? mcconnell led the charge in stalling for a year on garland. there has to be comity there - stalling tactics either are or are not acceptable. are we allowing lame duck stalling, but not other forms of stalling?

what about kavanaugh specifically? a referendum on kavanaugh is not a referendum on conservative judges wholesale. the man is being considered for the supreme court, and needs to be vetted as such. the justice in theory should be beyond reproach, not because he is certain to vote a certain way on a certain issue. after all, there's a long list of judges who can and will accordingly on those issues. so, why kavanaugh?

the next step of reconciling the dissonance is to use the midterms as an excuse. kavanaugh must be confirmed because after the midterms, the composition of the senate might change and would affect the confirmation process. this is borne either out of fear of retaliation for garland, or a fear of losing the votes to confirm. both of these are predicated on the assumption that the dems won't play ball. this is despite history telling us that Gorsuch was confirmed 54-45, Alito was confirmed 58-42, and Roberts was confirmed 78-22.

not to mention the personal disqualification of kavanaugh, namely the allegations against him plus his response to these allegations. a friendly reminder that the confirmation hearings are not a trial of fact, but rather a survey of suitability. nominees have been withdrawn for less, notably Douglas Ginsberg (no relation to Ruth) being withdrawn after it was alleged that he had smoked weed some 20-30 years prior.

so that original premise - that conservatives want a conservative justice, which is treated as a given, has followed the narrative, bit by bit, to that kavanaugh must be confirmed, with the corollaries - kavanaugh must be fit, and anyone looking to oppose kavanaugh must be wrong.

the common sense answer to all of this should probably fall somewhere in the middle where kavanaugh does not get confirmed but an alternate conservative judge does, but there has been zero conservative voices that say as such.

that's what's driving discord. politics is being driven out of fear of the other side, fear of retaliation, that somehow this false dichotomy of kavanaugh or nothing, is being presented as the only choice and the third choice - the compromise, the reasoned solution is not being considered.

dems are to blame as well. feinstein absolutely sat on this news as a last-second gamble and shame on her for that. but two wrongs don't make a right here.

clearly there are consequences to having a left/right-leaning court but, but the process matters. there's been a lot of talking about "due process" lately. the senate confirmation hearing process IS the process that is due in this situation. it must be respected. confirmation does not mean a rubber stamp. a thorough investigation is not stalling - it's what should be done.

anyone, be it trump, or graham, or any other bloviator who believes that political control entitles them to political expediency does not have respect for the process, nor the patience or temperance of leadership. and it's this rhetoric, their words, that frame the issues. it's through their insistence that the compromise solution is a non-starter. they won't allow it. and the passion with which they speak is infectious. you can see it being duplicated by pundits, and those who post on this board. there's a breakdown in objectivity as weak arguments are being propped up as gospel truths.

as an example, SD upthread said that kavanaugh's not even his choice, yet he gleefully surmises that Ford is making millions off this incident. someone who has no stakes in the outcome has completely bought into the narrative that if any pushback to the political expediency must be obstruction, and automatically demonizes anyone who is not on his side. it's awful. what's worse is that i don't see any way of reconciliation. even when kavanaugh "wins" dr. ford is still wrong in his eyes.


long winded post just to say, politics in 2018 is depressing. i don't really know what i'm trying to get at with my post.


solid content. B-
effort. C+
emotional rhetoric. C-.

Overall. try harder. you're almost fun to read. Almost.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1739 » by montestewart » Tue Oct 9, 2018 12:52 am

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gtn130 wrote:SD20, this is my only account. I’m very happy for mods to cross reference my IP address with pointgod’s under the condition we do the same with you and GoC, although you’re *probably* capable of using a vpn


go ahead! IP check away and even list my location. I'm in downtown chicago illinois when Im not at an office on the south side or western burbs. and i'm old. i dont even know what a VPN is. I just figured out how to post twitter stuff on here last year and gifty 5 months ago.

Yeah, you guys, I'll get right on it!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#1740 » by Pointgod » Tue Oct 9, 2018 1:33 am

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This is not entirely true. Christine Ford told her therapist and husband about Kavanaugh attempting to rape her what 12 years ago. Way before she could have possibly known he be a Supreme court nominee. Also you don't realistically take into account silencing assualt victims. I doubt she followed him that closely during his career and probably didn't think it was worth it to speak out against a powerful Federal judge. But she rightly saw that his behavior was disqualifying for a supreme Court judge. And when she spoke out so did other peole. This is not uncommon when it comes to serial sexual predators.


Brett kavanaugh is a supreme court judge and will be for life!! get over it buddy! Another Trump victory. Another promise made and another promise kept. The most transparent president ever. Like Gorsuch, BK was picked off a list Trump made while a candidate. More candidates should be as transparent. And Donald trump will be your president for 6 more years. He promised to redo our entire court system and is doing so. He promised to rework and make better all of our trade deals and is making good on that. Nafta is already redone for significant improvements. He vowed early on to remove the threat in North Korea. Done!! He promised to put american back to work and bring jobs back. Done! He promised to lower taxes. Done!! No president has ever been able to deliver on this many campaign promises. He is almost completely out of promises!! they are all now accomplishments!! Only China left and they are in his cross hairs. When the dust settles, He will go down as the GOAT president of the modern era as I have said for ever 2 years. Fact!! :nod: :nod:

And he did all of that with a fake and phony contrived collusion investigation breathing down his neck for his first 2 years. This was Ali vs. foreman for 7 round of ropadope. Now Trump is finally going to be able to throw the big punches. Good luck liberals. You're going to need it.

That said, Brett K was not my choice but solely because he is a shill for big business. Something the completely asinine left ignored during the entire confirmation process. You terrible leaders chose to grandstand and make throw their hats into the 2020 presidential race instead of try to get something real on kavanaugh like being (anti) antitrust. That's something a real independent like me would have gotten behind!! Conservatives would have gotten behind that message too. Instead the left's game plan was to ignore anything and everything real and run with tabloid uncorroborated soap opera fodder from when BK was 16 years old!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Some "victim" perceived an assault in a bedroom 25 years ago!!?? :lol: :lol: :lol: And made $1million in the process? and got famous??? And you want me to believe that she is a victim??? really? You are worse than a fool. You are a damned fool!! She prolly hasn't been home because she is out picking out curtains for the new mansion in malibu! We'll see.

I'll make you lying, stanky azz, obnoxious liberals a deal. If she donates every single penny in all of her go fund me accounts to victims of sexual assault then i will delete my account and never post again. And if she doesn't then you delete yours and never post again. Who wants to take me up on that? That's what i thought!!!!!


Does this deal include your alt accounts as well? Considering that her life has been blown up, she's lost out on income I wouldn't be surprised to not see her donate all her GoFundMe funds to charity but let's change the terms to a significant portion of her go fund me and I'll take that deal.


STD you going to take this bet or are you all talk?

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