Fantasy Trade Thread

SparksFly87 · Post #1841 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:30 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I still prefer to trade for guys that fit and leave the potential irresistible talent acquisitions for summer signings. If we're going to swing for a splash, just get on the phone with Mitch about Kemba Walker.

Kemba aint a splash. Butler is a sturdy 6'7 with defensive /offensive fundamentals . I can't see him breaking down. We need a guy like this on our team. Kemba is not playoff tested.

Kobblehead · Post #1842 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:37 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:
Kemba aint a splash. Butler is a sturdy 6'7 with defensive /offensive fundamentals . I can't see him breaking down. We need a guy like this on our team. Kemba is not playoff tested.

Kemba is a way better skillset and personality fit than Jimmy Butler. There's nothing really sturdy about Butler. He's played in more than 67 games just once in the last 5 years.

And how is Kemba not a splash? 22+ ppg on 56% true shooting in the last three seasons. He's not quite Steph/Dame/Kyrie, but he's the closest thing to those guys in the league.

Negrodamus · Post #1843 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:37 pm

I'd hardly say Jimmy Butler is an example of a playoff warrior. He hasn't made it out of the second round, right? He certainly doesn't fit well with Biid and Simmons.

Kobblehead · Post #1844 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Yeah, Jimmy Butler does not deserve the playoff performance bonus argument. He's been a part of like 2 series wins in his career. And of the 6 times in his career he's been to the playoffs, he's scored at a star level just twice.

As matter of fact, he's coming off a performance where he was held 6 ppg below his season average. Almost Lowry-esque.

the_process · Post #1845 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:19 pm

I’m not a fan of Fultz for Walker. And CHA isn’t adding anything. You’d also be committing to Walker as your third star. Which means giving him a 4 year max he is almost certain to not be worth by the end.

On top of that, you’re going with the idea that their window is open now. And it’s really not. Forget Boston... does Walker even get the Sixers past Toronto?

Kobblehead · Post #1846 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:31 pm

I don't think the only way for us to vault to the top of the conference is to get an absolute elite, MVP caliber player.

I think merely getting a star level player that fits really really well would do the trick.

Kemba Walker is a star player that fits really well. He's at the end of his contract. He's on a likely non-playoff team. It just makes sense to target him (if we're going to do any deal).

ProcessDoctor · Post #1847 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:32 pm

the_process wrote:I’m not a fan of Fultz for Walker. And CHA isn’t adding anything. You’d also be committing to Walker as your third star. Which means giving him a 4 year max he is almost certain to not be worth by the end.

On top of that, you’re going with the idea that their window is open now. And it’s really not. Forget Boston... does Walker even get the Sixers past Toronto?

I agree, Fultz for Walker would be extremely short-sighted. They are 8 years apart, and Kemba is due for a max next summer. His age and contract are not an ideal fit IMO.

That being said, I'd consider taking on a bad contract from CHA, but I wouldn't offer up our core pieces.

Kobblehead · Post #1848 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:41 pm

Markelle Fultz is hardly someone we should be considering a core piece, at this point. With his shakey mentality, it would be pragmatic to consider an early flip on him. If he pans out, we'd have to eat it. But there's a lot of writing on the wall that he'll bust.

Kobblehead · Post #1849 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:45 pm

It's hard to find a star player that fits that will be available through trade.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1850 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:57 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Markelle Fultz is hardly someone we should be considering a core piece, at this point. With his shakey mentality, it would be pragmatic to consider an early flip on him. If he pans out, we'd have to eat it. But there's a lot of writing on the wall that he'll bust.

How do you come to that conclusion? The same could be said for players like Josh Jackson, Ball, Fox, and Monk, yet you seem to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they have high upside.

the_process · Post #1851 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:58 pm

sixers238 wrote:
the_process wrote:I’m not a fan of Fultz for Walker. And CHA isn’t adding anything. You’d also be committing to Walker as your third star. Which means giving him a 4 year max he is almost certain to not be worth by the end.

On top of that, you’re going with the idea that their window is open now. And it’s really not. Forget Boston... does Walker even get the Sixers past Toronto?

I agree, Fultz for Walker would be extremely short-sighted. They are 8 years apart, and Kemba is due for a max next summer. His age and contract are not an ideal fit IMO.

That being said, I'd consider taking on a bad contract from CHA, but I wouldn't offer up our core pieces.

If the Hornets would take Bayless and a 1st for Walker I’d do that. Then you’re not under any obligation to re-sign Walker. But I don’t see any way CHA does that.

the_process · Post #1852 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think the only way for us to vault to the top of the conference is to get an absolute elite, MVP caliber player.

I think merely getting a star level player that fits really really well would do the trick.

I agree with this idea, I just don’t think Kemba is the droid we’re looking for.

Kobblehead wrote:Markelle Fultz is hardly someone we should be considering a core piece, at this point. With his shakey mentality, it would be pragmatic to consider an early flip on him. If he pans out, we'd have to eat it. But there's a lot of writing on the wall that he'll bust.

Fultz needs to be on a small market team somewhere.

Kobblehead · Post #1853 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:08 pm

sixers238 wrote:How do you come to that conclusion? The same could be said for players like Josh Jackson, Ball, Fox, and Monk, yet you seem to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they have high upside.

Fultz has faced debilitating mental roadblocks. You think someone with those obstacles is on the same level as guys who just happened to struggle with efficiency during their rookie season? I think you're doing a poor job of assigning risk.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1854 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:22 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
sixers238 wrote:How do you come to that conclusion? The same could be said for players like Josh Jackson, Ball, Fox, and Monk, yet you seem to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they have high upside.

Fultz has faced debilitating mental roadblocks. You think someone with those obstacles is on the same level as guys who just happened to struggle with efficiency during their rookie season? I think you're doing a poor job of assigning risk.

I think Fultz's setback has more to do with his injury than mindset, but I understand other people may see it the other way around. His defense and passing have exceeded all expectations, it's just going to come down to him being a more proactive scorer.

Negrodamus · Post #1855 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:30 pm

"Great, now we can trade for Jimmy Butler for cheap!" our fans said on the heels of Jimmy Butler alienating his second team and ruining their up and coming players.

Kobblehead · Post #1856 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:30 pm

There was no injury. He's attempting less threes per minute this preseason than he was last preseason when he was supposedly injured.

Even if he overcomes his personal demons and pans out as a player, he still doesn't fit with our core group. Fultz being the centerpiece of any deal is a bargain for us. The other team assumes the risk and we flip a talented, but troubled player that doesn't fit anyway.

Kobblehead · Post #1857 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:33 pm

We know how tight Simmons and Towns are. There seems to be some personality mirroring with those two, as well. I find it hard to believe Ben doesn't have a negative impression of Jimmy.

the_process · Post #1858 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:42 pm

What is the best deal the Sixers can get for a package of Chandler, Bayless, Fultz, and Saric?

Their total cap hit is 32.2M, which means the Sixers can take back up to 40.25M.

fl311 · Post #1859 » by **fl311** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:52 pm

Kobblehead wrote:There was no injury. He's attempting less threes per minute this preseason than he was last preseason when he was supposedly injured.

Even if he overcomes his personal demons and pans out as a player, he still doesn't fit with our core group. Fultz being the centerpiece of any deal is a bargain for us. The other team assumes the risk and we flip a talented, but troubled player that doesn't fit anyway.

Wrong wrong wrong.... wrong wrong wrong wrong.

you're wrong. you're wrong

Kobblehead · Post #1860 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:52 pm

We can probably get C.J. McCollum and Moe Harkless from Portland for that package.

I'm becoming less and less resistant towards settling for C.J. as our third piece. Fits like a glove, offensively. Excellent handle, shooting and scoring ability.

C.J. was the only player that showed up against New Orleans in that disaster playoff series. He was dominant.