Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Mattya]

It’s amazing watching people gobble up Jimmys PR team like they have been doing since week one.

[Araxen]

If I were a Wolves fan, I think I'd be thankful to Jimmy. Stuff like this can really light a fire under Towns/Wiggins. If it doesn't, those two are hopeless.

It wont with wiggins.

KAT maybe, but im not putting my mortgage on it

Yeah with KAT I believe it could, but there is no chance in hell it'll motivate Wiggins. He should have never gotten close to sniffing a max contact.

[AirP.]

Even Jalen Rose & Stan Van Gundy right now, says the "fixable" issue is money. So, who's at fault here? Layden or Taylor?

I think it comes down to Taylor, I think we all know Thibs would give him the money to retain him so it could be Taylor not wanting to max him and Butler's side has been given this indication(this is what I've thought the whole time if it's about money). Another scenario would be Taylor saying Minnesota can't go over into the tax and the FO not being able to make moves to be able to max Butler.

Butler said it's fixable but he doubt it gets fixed so to me it sounds like he's open to staying with Minnesota, we just don't know what would have to be fixed.

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

[wesleyt95]

If I were a Wolves fan, I think I'd be thankful to Jimmy. Stuff like this can really light a fire under Towns/Wiggins. If it doesn't, those two are hopeless.

It wont with wiggins.

KAT maybe, but im not putting my mortgage on it

Yeah with KAT I believe it could, but there is no chance in hell it'll motivate Wiggins. He should have never gotten close to sniffing a max contact.

Stop being negative, anything is possible.

[shrink]

I think it comes down to Taylor, I think we all know Thibs would give him the money to retain him so it could be Taylor not wanting to max him and Butler's side has been given this indication(this is what I've thought the whole time if it's about money). Another scenario would be Taylor saying Minnesota can't go over into the tax and the FO not being able to make moves to be able to max Butler.

Butler said it's fixable but he doubt it gets fixed so to me it sounds like he's open to staying with Minnesota, we just don't know what would have to be fixed.

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

Butler has said he does not want to wait until next season, and I don’t blame him.

He would have to bear that risk of a career-threatening injury this year, that could cost him his $190 mil

[Mattya]

I think it comes down to Taylor, I think we all know Thibs would give him the money to retain him so it could be Taylor not wanting to max him and Butler's side has been given this indication(this is what I've thought the whole time if it's about money). Another scenario would be Taylor saying Minnesota can't go over into the tax and the FO not being able to make moves to be able to max Butler.

Butler said it's fixable but he doubt it gets fixed so to me it sounds like he's open to staying with Minnesota, we just don't know what would have to be fixed.

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

You mean like the good faith max contract offer they made during the summer. Here is Jimmy not making it about his GM, coaches, and teammates, while simultaneously calling out all of them.

Easier to believe is what we can see, Jimmy and Wiggins and Towns don't get along. This was scripted to make Jimmy look good. Unless people believed Wiggins and KAT when they talked so "highly" about Butler at media day.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

So, in the latest interview clip from Rachel Nicols says it's NOT about money. It's about honesty. Jimmy feels like the organization just says to him "go play". He wants to be loved and feel like the Wolves really want him by "acting on it". The Wolves verbally say they want him but don't act on it respectfully "by money-wise". So, it was a mere slap in the face by the organization when they didn't "act" on it when they didn't move pieces in the off-season. It is fixable, but the Wolves have to be honest and act on what they say to Butler...not just in words.

[Mattya]

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

Butler has said he does not want to wait until next season, and I don’t blame him.

He would have to bear that risk of a career-threatening injury this year, that could cost him his $190 mil

"So let me force the team to dump salary to sign me to a bigger extension than they currently have. Who cares if it cost multiple picks. I'm a team player."

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[Mattya]

So, in the latest interview clip from Rachel Nicols says it's NOT about money. It's about honesty. Jimmy feels like the organization just says to him "go play". He wants to be loved and feel like the Wolves really want him by "acting on it". The Wolves verbally say they want him but don't act on it respectfully "by money-wise". So, it was a mere slap in the face by the organization when they didn't "act" on it when they didn't move pieces in the off-season. It is fixable, but the Wolves have to be honest and act on what they say to Butler...not just in words.

Is this like when we were supposed to believe that Butler asked for a trade long before the request become public?

[Mattya]

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He totally didn't plan to throw a temper tantrum either. Let me scream at you but also believe that i'm the rational person here.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

Butler has said he does not want to wait until next season, and I don’t blame him.

He would have to bear that risk of a career-threatening injury this year, that could cost him his $190 mil

Then dont reject 120,000,000??

[KGdaBom]

I think it comes down to Taylor, I think we all know Thibs would give him the money to retain him so it could be Taylor not wanting to max him and Butler's side has been given this indication(this is what I've thought the whole time if it's about money). Another scenario would be Taylor saying Minnesota can't go over into the tax and the FO not being able to make moves to be able to max Butler.

Butler said it's fixable but he doubt it gets fixed so to me it sounds like he's open to staying with Minnesota, we just don't know what would have to be fixed.

Just stop. This has nothing to do with Taylor being unwilling to pay the tax, and everything to do with the rules of the CBA.

If this was about money, Taylor could just tell Butler if everything goes fine he'll be taken care of next off season. Taylor had no problem going through the media for Wiggins, why not do the same thing with Butler? If it's truly about money and Taylor is willing to pay next year, just say you're not being traded and offer him more then anyone else can offer.

Worst case scenario, Butler has a career altering injury and opts in to next year to make 20 million more but it would would hurt Minnesota.

If Taylor gave any indication he wouldn't max Butler next year he is a freaking idiot unless he had to due to ultimatum from KAT. Taylor can't tell Jimmy he will max him next year. I'm pretty sure that would be considered illegal negotiations and cost the Wolves FRPs. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

So, in the latest interview clip from Rachel Nicols says it's NOT about money. It's about honesty. Jimmy feels like the organization just says to him "go play". He wants to be loved and feel like the Wolves really want him by "acting on it". The Wolves verbally say they want him but don't act on it respectfully "by money-wise". So, it was a mere slap in the face by the organization when they didn't "act" on it when they didn't move pieces in the off-season. It is fixable, but the Wolves have to be honest and act on what they say to Butler...not just in words.

Is this like when we were supposed to believe that Butler asked for a trade long before the request become public?

In the interview, Butler made it known to THIBS 4 days after the season ended about the honesty issues.

[Mattya]

So, in the latest interview clip from Rachel Nicols says it's NOT about money. It's about honesty. Jimmy feels like the organization just says to him "go play". He wants to be loved and feel like the Wolves really want him by "acting on it". The Wolves verbally say they want him but don't act on it respectfully "by money-wise". So, it was a mere slap in the face by the organization when they didn't "act" on it when they didn't move pieces in the off-season. It is fixable, but the Wolves have to be honest and act on what they say to Butler...not just in words.

Is this like when we were supposed to believe that Butler asked for a trade long before the request become public?

In the interview, Butler made it known to THIBS 4 days after the season ended about the honesty issues.

Hmm. Yea the completely unbiased source Jimmy Butler reporting on the Jimmy Butler situation.

[Mattya]

So in the interview Butler says "Thibs is loving all this" while also throwing Thibs under the bus claiming he demanded a trade 4 days after the season ended. Wolfson didn't buy it when Jimmy's people tried leaking that weeks ago. You would have to be pretty gullible to believe this person.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Jimmy is full of **** 100%of the time.

Entertaining as hell..but a complete BSer.


Still want him on the wolves next week tho

[younggunsmn]

As far as the Heat go, the "filler" is a big problem.
They can leak they offered Richardson + a 1st, but the filler required to make the salaries work completely negates the value of those 2 pieces. Asking us to eat a terrible contract without sending one back in a Jimmy deal is laughable.

Ellington can't be traded until 12/15.
So here are the rest of their "filler" contracts:
Whiteside 2/52.5
T Johsnon 2/38.5 (plus 15% trade kicker)
J Johnson 3/46
Waiters 3/36.3
Olynyk 3/39.2
Dragic 2/37.3

Outside of Dragic, which is neutral, those are all terrible contracts.
4 of those guys are fringe rotation players, 3 of which were scraped off of other teams scrap heaps.
And now they are thinking about extending another fringe rotation player in WInslow? Who are they bidding against exactly?
Some of those deals are worse than Dieng's 3/48 when you consider Dieng would be a decent starting center, is a durable big, and is in his prime.

The other thing is the draft pick. Miami can't trade their 2020,21,22 picks. So if they protect a 2019 pick we might never get it, or not get it until 2023 or 2024 at the latest. So the protection would have to be really light, like top 3 only, or we are gambling.

The only scenario I've seen that makes much sense is one centered around Butler/Dieng and Richardson/Whiteside.
Dieng/Whitesides contracts cancel out and they play the same position.
At the very minimum we would need a guaranteed (unprotected) 1st added. Making it unprotected also makes it more valuable to us as a trade chip, even if its a 2023 pick. Next summer maybe we would be able to use whiteside's expiring plus to first as chips to add an elite player in a trade or S/T.

I don't like that Richardson isn't a great ballhandler or shot creator. In a lot of ways he duplicates Wiggins. Low ast, low reb. Better shooter, more motivated, less talented. With those 2 on the wing you are putting a lot of pressure on KAT and Teague to make plays. But maybe wigs belongs on the bench anyway.

Philadelphia has so many better options for salary matching (21 million in expirings between Bayless and Chandler) and better draft picks to offer (Miami's 2021 unprotected, all their own 1sts, and a slew of 2nds from lottery teams), along with potentially Covington, Fultz and Saric. SO either they arent offering much or are gunshy on adding Jimmy's personality to their young core.

All that said, I don't think we will actually get a decent offer until Jimmy suits up and plays a real game for us.
If he can do that without completely tearing the team apart, I think we would get better offers at the deadline than we are getting now.

[guest81]

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KG used to punch people in the face and make teammates cry. Don't remember anyone calling him cancerous

[Crazy-Canuck]

Jimmy should just legally change his name to "sources".