'17-18 POY Voting Thread

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vs. Indiana: 34.4 ppg, 10 reb, 7.7 ast on 65.5 TS%
vs. Boston: 33.6 ppg, 9 reb, 8.4 ast on 61 TS%
vs. GSW: 34 ppg, 8.5 reb, 10 ast, 62 TS%

Seven 40 point games in those three series

"Looked very stoppable"

This guy

I also love him complaining about the refs in Harden's case, but no mention of the horrendous officiating against the Cavs in game 1 of the Finals.

Against Indiana and GSW his team looked worse, and he didn’t look like he could carry the load. Escaping the first round was an upset

LBJ was guarded by - Curry, Bogdonavich, Rozier- For much of those series, and played 42 minutes a game. Look at his per36 (for the whole playoffs, since not possible for series) and compare his stats/opponent with Harden

29/9/9 - Lbj 62%TS vs Bogdonavich, OG (good defender), Rozier/Morris, KD/Curry
28/5/7 - Harden 55%TS vs Jimmy Butler, Jazz (didn’t watch but obviously elite defense), Iggy/Klay/Curry

keep in mind LBJ is using KLove to pull out opposing Centers while Harden is playing with a traditional C vs Gobert/Draymond

Those are very comparable considering the opposing defenses and their strategies - opposing teams focused on Harden/Love respectively.

LeBron was often guarded by Morris, Horford, and Brown during this years Conference Finals, but you wouldn't know since you never watched the games.

Harden, although guarded by Butler, O'Neal, and Curry (what a great defender ) was also running Pick & roll getting switches...just like LeBron did to get an inferior defender on him (like Rozier).

Clearly you weren’t watching the Celtics series. Lbj was guarded well first 2 games, but then he ran plays to get Morris/brown switched off every play. He was not guarded by Horford for significant touches

The Cavs will ball this year, and we will see how good the team is. the rockets without cp3/harden are low lottery. Without Lbj, Cavs still may make the playoffs with no additions

[Colbinii]

Against Indiana and GSW his team looked worse, and he didn’t look like he could carry the load. Escaping the first round was an upset

LBJ was guarded by - Curry, Bogdonavich, Rozier- For much of those series, and played 42 minutes a game. Look at his per36 (for the whole playoffs, since not possible for series) and compare his stats/opponent with Harden

29/9/9 - Lbj 62%TS vs Bogdonavich, OG (good defender), Rozier/Morris, KD/Curry
28/5/7 - Harden 55%TS vs Jimmy Butler, Jazz (didn’t watch but obviously elite defense), Iggy/Klay/Curry

keep in mind LBJ is using KLove to pull out opposing Centers while Harden is playing with a traditional C vs Gobert/Draymond

Those are very comparable considering the opposing defenses and their strategies - opposing teams focused on Harden/Love respectively.

LeBron was often guarded by Morris, Horford, and Brown during this years Conference Finals, but you wouldn't know since you never watched the games.

Harden, although guarded by Butler, O'Neal, and Curry (what a great defender ) was also running Pick & roll getting switches...just like LeBron did to get an inferior defender on him (like Rozier).

Clearly you weren’t watching the Celtics series. Lbj was guarded well first 2 games, but then he ran plays to get Morris/brown switched off every play

Yes, he did that. It sounds like outsmarted the Celtics defense and one of the best coaches in the league. It's not like the Celtics strategy was "Let's throw Rozier on LeBron lol".

But hey, let's just belittle it, call it "Celtics threw Rozier on him" and keep pretending like we aren't hating on a player for no reason.

At some point you need to realize what LeBron did was create the mismatches.

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LeBron was often guarded by Morris, Horford, and Brown during this years Conference Finals, but you wouldn't know since you never watched the games.

Harden, although guarded by Butler, O'Neal, and Curry (what a great defender ) was also running Pick & roll getting switches...just like LeBron did to get an inferior defender on him (like Rozier).

Clearly you weren’t watching the Celtics series. Lbj was guarded well first 2 games, but then he ran plays to get Morris/brown switched off every play

Yes, he did that. It sounds like outsmarted the Celtics defense and one of the best coaches in the league. It's not like the Celtics strategy was "Let's throw Rozier on LeBron lol".

But hey, let's just belittle it, call it "Celtics threw Rozier on him" and keep pretending like we aren't hating on a player for no reason.

At some point you need to realize what LeBron did was create the mismatches.

Pacers just threw bogdonavich on him from the start. Nothing to do with Lbj.

The main point I'm making is that most Western Conference teams are far better defensively, no matter who you switch onto. And it's not about LBJ, it's about Harden vs LBJ. I'm not arguing LBJ was bad, I'm saying Harden was - including the regular season - more dominant.