Gordon Hayward Thread

jcappy · Post #301 » by **jcappy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:48 pm

Well, Hayward says this back problem is more persistent than any earlier one. Not a casual admission, I suspect, but who knows for sure. I keep thinking of Durant's endless problems with his Jones Fracture (foot). He was often out and when he got back, he could only play limited minutes. I believe he re-broke it about 4 times. Had screws put in and other experimental treatment, but it really messed with his life and his game. But I guess you could say that he's back now at full force.

There are injuries and there are injuries, but basketball is a high motor, high stress sport played on a hard surface by tall (prone to back problems) guys. We'll see how Hayward's back responds, but I agree that getting cortisone shots is not a good sign.

cloverleaf · Post #302 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:53 pm

jcappy wrote:Well, Hayward says this back problem is more persistent than any earlier one. Not a casual admission, I suspect, but who knows for sure. I keep thinking of Durant's endless problems with his Jones Fracture (foot). He was often out and when he got back, he could only play limited minutes. I believe he re-broke it about 4 times. Had screws put in and other experimental treatment, but it really messed with his life and his game. But I guess you could say that he's back now at full force.

There are injuries and there are injuries, but basketball is a high motor, high stress sport played on a hard surface by tall (prone to back problems) guys. We'll see how Hayward's back responds, but I agree that getting cortisone shots is not a good sign.

Backs are tricky. No doubt.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #303 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:19 am

I don't fault Ainge at allI know it isn't Hayward fault that he broke his leg but I'm starting to have concerns this is turning into a Grant Hill like signing (minus the number of years on the contract)from 2000.

Post #304 » by **K For Three** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:06 am

Lets not overreact on Hayward too much yet. I heard he felt really good today and people said he looked good. (hey those shots do work

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Have to be patient too. But I have to wonder though if maybe he should be worked into the starting lineup and not rushed back into it asap? I guess time will tell and in Brad I trust.

Valid · Post #305 » by **Valid** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:16 am

I can tell you with solid confidence that Hayward's back issues are a result of having not played for a year and then suddenly going full throttle. That is not easy on the human body, especially for a guy who is 6'8", 240. He'll be fine.

Higgs Boston · Post #306 » by **Higgs Boston** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 am

It's normal that he has low back issues, it's almost unavoidable in long term injuries, precisely that is one of the reasons (low back and back health) that make the person lose flexibility and explosiveness in his legs in the firsts months. I had low back issues too after some surgeries (foot) that forced me to stay at home, even although I was in really good shape and were only 2-3 months.

UNCBlue012 · Post #307 » by **UNCBlue012** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:33 pm

Valid wrote:I can tell you with solid confidence that Hayward's back issues are a result of having not played for a year and then suddenly going full throttle. That is not easy on the human body, especially for a guy who is 6'8", 240. He'll be fine.

This. This. This.

ddb · Post #308 » by **ddb** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:47 pm

people need to reserve judgement on Gordo for a little while. The guy had a serious injury, missed an entire season, had a set back over the summer, and is just now back playing 5 on 5. He will be limited in Playing Time for the foreseeable future until he gets his rhythm, strength and timing back. Expect inconsistent play on both sides of the ball from Hayward. Expect him to miss some games as well.
the good news is the Celtics have enough depth and talent to stay on top of the East as Hayward works his way back. The most important thing from Hayward is that by mid-season he is back to playing at an All-Star level. For now, consider him a solid role player because it's going to take him some time.

Celts17Pride · Post #309 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:53 pm

ddb wrote:people need to reserve judgement on Gordo for a little while. The guy had a serious injury, missed an entire season, had a set back over the summer, and is just now back playing 5 on 5. He will be limited in Playing Time for the foreseeable future until he gets his rhythm, strength and timing back. Expect inconsistent play on both sides of the ball from Hayward. Expect him to miss some games as well.
the good news is the Celtics have enough depth and talent to stay on top of the East as Hayward works his way back. The most important thing from Hayward is that by mid-season he is back to playing at an All-Star level. For now, consider him a solid role player because it's going to take him some time.

Agree 100%. The only thing that is really important is getting Gordon Hayward back to playing at a high level by the playoffs.

Roddy · Post #310 » by **Roddy** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:22 pm

Of course it's normal to have back issues after a year without playing.
I have back issues myself because I haven't played since...12 years....or maybe it's because I'm a lazy fat a**. :oops:

CeltsfaninDC · Post #311 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:06 pm

I’m sure its been posted before, but I enjoyed watching this especially seeing how confident G is about his long term prognosis.
https://theathletic.com/video/gordon-hayward-the-return/?source=gordon_video

Banks2Pierce · Post #312 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:37 pm

Wonder when people will turn on him after his likely slow start? I predict it's by Halloween that we'll see stuff like he'll never be the same again, etc. Just prepping myself for it.

Post #313 » by **K For Three** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:32 am

ConstableGeneva · Post #314 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Read on Twitter

Still not over Robyn blocking me on IG. I was just concerned and curious about Gordon, his progress... and every single detail about their lives. What's wrong with that?!

cloverleaf · Post #315 » by **cloverleaf** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Kyrie For Three wrote:

Like Rogers and Astaire, only one of them was doing that in heels.

celtxman · Post #316 » by **celtxman** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:26 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:Wonder when people will turn on him after his likely slow start? I predict it's by Halloween that we'll see stuff like he'll never be the same again, etc. Just prepping myself for it.

There is definite concern and we don’t have to wait till Halloween for it. That’s different from turning on him. Right or wrong there were those including in the Celtics organization that thought he might play at the end of last year. Until he plays at a high level,similar to what Paul George was able to get back there will be nervousness

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #317 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:38 pm

celtxman wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:Wonder when people will turn on him after his likely slow start? I predict it's by Halloween that we'll see stuff like he'll never be the same again, etc. Just prepping myself for it.
There is definite concern and we don’t have to wait till Halloween for it. That’s different from turning on him. Right or wrong there were those including in the Celtics organization that thought he might play at the end of last year. Until he plays at a high level,similar to what Paul George was able to get back there will be nervousness

When we signed him, we needed Hayward to be our best all-around player, averaging at least 20 ppg. However, after trading for Kyrie and having Tatum, Brown and Rozier blossom, we no longer need him to score 20 ppg. I would be happy if he turned into a smaller Al Horford by just giving the game what it needs. 15-17 ppg, 6 apg, 5-6 rpg is fine.

Unfortunately, he will be crucified by the media due to his contract.

Post #318 » by **K For Three** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:01 pm

I actually believe at some point this year Hayward will turn it on and become his old self at some point. How soon no idea. But he is way too talented, smart and hard working of a guy to not snap back into it eventually. It is just a matter of when and how. He has rehabbed his butt off this past year.

The guy is a player. He will get his eventually this season IMO. He's competitive too, he wants to also probably show this team NEEDS him to take the next step.

Irving loves Gordon too, I think he will try to help get him going and build his confidence. Those two have a bond that goes a ways back since they tried to play together before. They both want this pretty bad IMO, the finals etc.......

cloverleaf · Post #319 » by **cloverleaf** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:22 pm

The C's plus Kyrie last year likely made it to the finals.

Even if Hayward doesn't make it back right this season, the team should be able to contend.

Post #320 » by **K For Three** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:00 am

cloverleaf wrote:The C's plus Kyrie last year likely made it to the finals.

Even if Hayward doesn't make it back right this season, the team should be able to contend.

I agree with this, I consider Hayward an added bonus though if he can get back on track, especially if this team is blessed enough to make the finals. But I still think the team without Hayward contends.

Also just want to see Hayward have a good year at some point just because the man deserves it. That injury was BRUTAL, I still can't ever watch it over. I was depressed for three days afterward. That was just maybe the worst sports moment I have seen for a Boston team.

I think it will work out though, I really do. Brad and Gordon have an understanding going back to college. Gordon isn't a selfish or alpha sort of guy either but I would bet deep down he really would love to prove he still has it this season. Missing an entire year after signing a big contract in Boston is rough as hell.