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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1881 » by cool93 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:13 pm

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Please re-read my original post. What I’m saying is that even if they had all the picks in the entire NBA, they cannot trade for AD until Kyrie signs his new contract (unless they trade Kyrie himself).

Plus, trading the SAC pick before the deadline does nothing for NOP without them knowing it will actually convey. That pick won’t have definitive value until after the lottery. The LAC pick is a fake first. The Memphis pick will not be a top 10 pick unless they all re-injure themselves, but then makes it top 8 protected this year.

And yes, my scenario does say if Fultz shows promise as a potential all-star. Good job, you comprehended that part.


Why can't they trade for AD until Kyrie signs his new contract?

SAC pick top1 protected still holds more value than our 3 1sts. Our picks are basically two late 1sts and MIA pick which has an upside but is far from guaranteed to even be in a lottery.

And if we talk about Fultz making huge leap we can talk about Rozier establishing himself as a good starting level PG, Brown becoming elite 2way player and Tatum becoming a star. Truth is we don't have a chance in bidding war against Celtics unless it's summer 2019 and Kings pick landed #1 and even than Tatum maybe Pelicans best option.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1882 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:17 pm

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sixers238 wrote:
Please re-read my original post. What I’m saying is that even if they had all the picks in the entire NBA, they cannot trade for AD until Kyrie signs his new contract (unless they trade Kyrie himself).

Plus, trading the SAC pick before the deadline does nothing for NOP without them knowing it will actually convey. That pick won’t have definitive value until after the lottery. The LAC pick is a fake first. The Memphis pick will not be a top 10 pick unless they all re-injure themselves, but then makes it top 8 protected this year.

And yes, my scenario does say if Fultz shows promise as a potential all-star. Good job, you comprehended that part.


Why can't they trade for AD until Kyrie signs his new contract?

SAC pick top1 protected still holds more value than our 3 1sts. Our picks are basically two late 1sts and MIA pick which has an upside but is far from guaranteed to even be in a lottery.

And if we talk about Fultz making huge leap we can talk about Rozier establishing himself as a good starting level PG, Brown becoming elite 2way player and Tatum becoming a star. Truth is we don't have a chance in bidding war against Celtics unless it's summer 2019 and Kings pick landed #1 and even than Tatum maybe Pelicans best option.


Nothing in your post after this question matters in this scenario. Go back and read if you want to know.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1883 » by the_process » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:22 pm

Let me use my skeptical eye and throw on a tin foil hat for a minute.

If this is a player and agent run league, and Rich Paul is at the top of the food chain, it could pay to be a Rich Paul approved team like LA, right? I know we’re on the in right now with Ben, but speculation will soon become (it’s already started a little) how he’s leaving at the end of his second deal because this is Jo’s team from most perspectives. And Ben and Jo are just work associates, with only okay chemistry on the court. So wondering will start about where Ben’s team will be.

Could offering Embiid for Anthony Davis possibly get a deal done early and secure the Sixers place going forward as the spot where Klutch clients will be funneled? LeBron isn’t playing forever and the younger crowd doesn’t seem too keen on being in his shadow. I’m also assuming AD and Ben have some kind of relationship, or at least will be friendlier than Ben and Jo are.

That deal doesn’t necessarily make the Sixers better this year, but it could make them better in the future. It does make them even more of a glamour team than they are now.

Just some crazy conjecture and speculating on my part. Feel free to ignore it.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1884 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:45 pm

But Rich Paul isn't even at the top of the food chain nor is he more powerful or influential than Embiid's agent Leon Rose.

Also, I need to see how Ben develops as a scorer before I pick a side in any potential power struggle.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1885 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:10 am

Dwane Casey seems to be jerking Luke Kennard around in Detroit. Non-committal on whether or not he'll start. Go get him!
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1886 » by BigSleep333 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:56 am

Kobblehead wrote:Dwane Casey seems to be jerking Luke Kennard around in Detroit. Non-committal on whether or not he'll start. Go get him!


sure, but whats your offer? i wont offer shamet, korkmaz or bolden for kennard, and every other dude is more improtant in our rotation. bayless and 2 2nds id do
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1887 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:15 am

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Kobblehead wrote:Dwane Casey seems to be jerking Luke Kennard around in Detroit. Non-committal on whether or not he'll start. Go get him!


sure, but whats your offer? i wont offer shamet, korkmaz or bolden for kennard, and every other dude is more improtant in our rotation. bayless and 2 2nds id do

Fultz

Take back expiring Ish Smith to make the salaries work.

Luke Kennard is a really good prospect. He's a way better playmaker than most realize, while also being a knockdown shooter and high IQ player. He'd be the perfect understudy for Redick.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1888 » by BigSleep333 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:27 am

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BigSleep333 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Dwane Casey seems to be jerking Luke Kennard around in Detroit. Non-committal on whether or not he'll start. Go get him!


sure, but whats your offer? i wont offer shamet, korkmaz or bolden for kennard, and every other dude is more improtant in our rotation. bayless and 2 2nds id do

Fultz

Take back expiring Ish Smith to make the salaries work.

Luke Kennard is a really good prospect. He's a way better playmaker than most realize, while also being a knockdown shooter and high IQ player. He'd be the perfect understudy for Redick.


wow. look, im a skeptic of fultz before he was drafted like nobody else other than lloyd whos really extreme on him, but i havent lost all my hope on fultz yet. yes, kennard is a good shooter, an ok playmaker and also a willing defender (hes not that bad as many are assuming), but his upside in this league is an average starter due to his athletic limitations, just like dario.

if we trade fultz, it has to be for an allstar (butler, davis, whatever) as an addon or for a really good pick like the kings pick we threw away. (i still cant get over that **** BS trade and probably never will :banghead: )
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1889 » by the_process » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:36 am

Johnson, Kennard, and a lotto protected 1st for Fultz?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1890 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:55 am

I'm not afraid of getting burned and not getting enough back for Fultz. I'm more scared of Fultz being the G version of Noah Vonleh and deteriorating into a nothing asset. I think Kennard + salary for Fultz is more than sufficient.

Kennard can really play and fits perfectly.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1891 » by the_process » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:29 am

I need the pick in a Fultz for Kennard deal. So eat a deal they don't want... like Langston Galloway? Then they can top 10 protect the pick. Still would have 32.5M in cap room to use come summertime.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1892 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:28 pm

I think you can get Detroit to do a swap, but I don't think you can get them to become buyers on Fultz. Which is what we'd be asking once picks come into the equation.

Nobody is gonna become a buyer on Fultz. I think the best we can do is go to a team with a prospect with "supposed" less upside and exploit that narrative.

Detroit with Kennard
Charlotte with Monk
Orlando with Isaac
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1893 » by the_process » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:49 pm

I think Orlando or Phoenix could be buyers on Markelle.

Would you do Fultz, Saric, and Bayless for Aaron Gordon?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1894 » by LloydFree » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:56 pm

the_process wrote:I think Orlando or Phoenix could be buyers on Markelle.

Would you do Fultz, Saric, and Bayless for Aaron Gordon?

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1895 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:05 pm

Nah, I don't like Aaron Gordon as a franchise piece. Low IQ and inefficient. Not a great fit with Simmons and Embiid, either.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1896 » by Negrodamus » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:07 pm

I don't think there's a chance Brett is going to sign off on a trade involving Fultz unless some other team really loves him and are willing to give up more than expected.

That said, Aaron Gordon really doesn't fit with this team.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1897 » by Kobblehead » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:36 pm

I don't know if Collaborative Effort even view themselves as having skin in the game on Fultz. They can pawn that off on Colangelo. If Fultz shows more signs of being a bad investment this year, I'm not even sure they're going to exercise his $9.7m next year.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1898 » by Negrodamus » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:41 pm

But Brown just stated that he's encouraged by Fultz's preseason and he's where he expected him to be. Especially because he showed quite a bit on the defensive end. That's been Brown's MO since he got here.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1899 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:43 pm

I can't imagine a scenario where Fultz is traded for another prospect with just as many question marks. I understand why some might want to move him for whatever reason, but he's shown enough upside on both sides of the ball to be kept for the foreseeable future (unless someone clearly more valuable than him becomes available).
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1900 » by the_process » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:13 pm

There's no way they decline Fultz's 3rd year option. It's due in three weeks.

If he is totally useless all year again, I suppose there's a small chance they decline his 4th year option.

I'm starting to really like that CJ McCollum with Zach Collins idea.

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