Report: Pat Riley Hung Up On Tom Thibodeau When Wolves Asked For More Assets

Mwd1981 · Post #21 » by **Mwd1981** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:57 am

Fish99 wrote:If I were Wolves, I'd have only 1 requirement:

any deal needs to Improve Wolves the next 5 years

Heat 's offer clearly make Wolves worse.

Wolves need 2 future first picks to dump Waiters to Kings

Wolves need 2 future first picks to dump Dieng to another team

Dude. Stop posting.

Pickled Prunes · Post #22 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:59 am

Fish99 wrote:If I were Wolves, I'd have only 1 requirement:

any deal needs to Improve Wolves the next 5 years

Heat 's offer clearly make Wolves worse.

Wolves need 2 future first picks to dump Waiters to Kings

Wolves need 2 future first picks to dump Dieng to another team

A more realistic requirement would be that the Wolves won't fall off a cliff like they will if Jimmy walks for nothing.... or if Jimmy goes down!

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KGdaBom · Post #23 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:02 am

Mwd1981 wrote:
Fish99 wrote:Butler is not a rental at all. He is going to stay with the new team (like Paul George).

One reporter have proposed a deal to send Joakim Noah in the package for Butler.

Butler is absolutely a rental. The only teams that are going to trade anything of value for him, are the teams that he will re sign with.

He is definitely opting out after this season

I think you misunderstood. If the Wolves trade Butler he will not be a rental. As you said the teams that trade for him are the teams that he will sign new deal with.

Mwd1981 · Post #24 » by **Mwd1981** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:05 am

Wolves have KAT and Wiggins tied up for years. With the Jimmy situation they are going to have to take a step back to take a step forward. They aren’t winning in next 2-3 years. Take on some bad money and get a real asset

ImOnFire · Post #25 » by **ImOnFire** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:08 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Domejandro your boy screwed up royal. You aren't getting better than Richardson, Waiters and a pick.

Three years of a washed up Waiters on a very bad contract was the screw up. No way do I believe that the Wolves would have ever agreed to three years of Waiters.

Why is waiters contract so bad? 11million is not that much anymore. Its in the range of your average 15ppg scorer, 5-7th man.

KGdaBom · Post #26 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:11 am

ImOnFire wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Domejandro your boy screwed up royal. You aren't getting better than Richardson, Waiters and a pick.

Three years of a washed up Waiters on a very bad contract was the screw up. No way do I believe that the Wolves would have ever agreed to three years of Waiters.

Why is waiters contract so bad? 11million is not that much anymore. Its in the range of your average 15ppg scorer, 5-7th man.

Because he sucks. At least that is my opinion. Damaged goods due to injuries and fat for an NBA guard. He has one good game followed by 3 bad. I think Olynyk is useful at the same price. I would have taken the deal if he was included instead of Waiters.

Mwd1981 · Post #27 » by **Mwd1981** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:12 am

How do they fix this situation? Players doing this under contract is terrible. Eliminate max contracts?

Woody Allen · Post #28 » by **Woody Allen** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:38 am

I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

Mwd1981 · Post #29 » by **Mwd1981** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:56 am

Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

I don’t think you understand. Butler is leaving Wolves regardless. Richardson and a pick should be enough.

Mwd1981 · Post #30 » by **Mwd1981** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:59 am

Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

Riley built a massive payroll on purpose. So he could acquire multiple stars through trade. Riley deals away every first round pick he can for proven talent. He’s trying to win championships not be the Pacers

Post #31 » by **Calinks** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:35 am

I am VERY confident Butler will stay with his next team. Only way he wont is its a horrible team or in a city he doesn't like. I think as long as its a big or fun market, he is good to stay. No way I see him bolting Miami, New York, LA. Just seems like the kind of guy who loves that environment.

basketballwacko2 · Post #32 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:38 am

Richardson and a #1 in 2019 is barely enough to take on the bad contract of Waiters. Added to that is that Richardson and Waiters play the same position. Don't tell me that Richardson is a SF because he's only 6'4'' no way he plays SF at 6'4'' except out of a lack of anyone else to play the spot.

There is no way I'd take that for Butler.

basketballwacko2 · Post #33 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:48 am

ImOnFire wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Domejandro your boy screwed up royal. You aren't getting better than Richardson, Waiters and a pick.

Three years of a washed up Waiters on a very bad contract was the screw up. No way do I believe that the Wolves would have ever agreed to three years of Waiters.

Why is waiters contract so bad? 11million is not that much anymore. Its in the range of your average 15ppg scorer, 5-7th man.

Because he's a bad player and paid too much.

basketballwacko2 · Post #34 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:54 am

Mwd1981 wrote:
Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

I don’t think you understand. Butler is leaving Wolves regardless. Richardson and a pick should be enough.

The problem with that is you can't trade Richardson and a pick for Butler because the salary doesn't work. You have to add in a Waiters or Olynyk to make the salary work. That's the big issue Waiters is a negative value. To take him I'd want at least a 2nd #1 pick in such a deal.

basketballwacko2 · Post #35 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:57 am

Mwd1981 wrote:
Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

Riley built a massive payroll on purpose. So he could acquire multiple stars through trade. Riley deals away every first round pick he can for proven talent. He’s trying to win championships not be the Pacers

Teams like the TWolves should tell Riley to pay up or shut up. There is no need to take his garbage and give him a star player. Waiters is no Victor Oladipo, and richardson is not that good either.

IAMZOOTED · Post #36 » by **IAMZOOTED** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:27 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Mwd1981 wrote:
Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

Riley built a massive payroll on purpose. So he could acquire multiple stars through trade. Riley deals away every first round pick he can for proven talent. He’s trying to win championships not be the Pacers

Teams like the TWolves should tell Riley to pay up or shut up. There is no need to take his garbage and give him a star player. Waiters is no Victor Oladipo, and richardson is not that good either.

You think they should just let him walk?

ChokeFasncists · Post #37 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:14 am

Sounds like staged. Thibs needs to appease Jimmy, Wigs and Towries so pretends to have done his part. Everyone in the worlds knows that the deal is close. No way he's happy with that trade, then he sabotaged it so he could have his butler all for himself.

arasu · Post #38 » by **arasu** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:30 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Mwd1981 wrote:
Woody Allen wrote:I mean Pat Riley has no leverage here. You're not really going to land a star for random role players. He built a very low ceiling team.

Riley built a massive payroll on purpose. So he could acquire multiple stars through trade. Riley deals away every first round pick he can for proven talent. He’s trying to win championships not be the Pacers

Teams like the TWolves should tell Riley to pay up or shut up. There is no need to take his garbage and give him a star player. Waiters is no Victor Oladipo, and richardson is not that good either.

Richardson is good, and has a ton of potential. Waiters is not that good, but his contract serves as filler, and he is good enough to deserve some minutes in the NBA.

JermaineOYea · Post #39 » by **JermaineOYea** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:30 am

Mwd1981 wrote: Riley deals away every first round pick he can for proven talent. He’s trying to win championships not be the Pacers

Getting Dwyane Wade who fell to the fifth pick in his draft, and getting LeBron to sign with his buddies will get you championships.

Leave the Pacers out of this.

KGdaBom · Post #40 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:54 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:Richardson and a #1 in 2019 is barely enough to take on the bad contract of Waiters. Added to that is that Richardson and Waiters play the same position. Don't tell me that Richardson is a SF because he's only 6'4'' no way he plays SF at 6'4'' except out of a lack of anyone else to play the spot.

There is no way I'd take that for Butler.

Actually Richardson is a SF and Waiters is an SG.