Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[K4P]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

[twix2500]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

I'm not a big fan of Waiters. But he will be your best swing player by far. He is only 26. He has changed his game for the better since being here. He is a good defender and contributes as a point. His major problem is he continues to shoot when he is cold. If he focused more as a cutter and snowbirds plays he will be damn good. He is better than Wiggins.

But I understand, he has been hurt and he needs to prove he is healthy and his play on the court will be productive. The trade probably will not be revisited until JJ and Waiters show what they can do.

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[Dewey]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

apparently dead OVERweight

[shrink]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

apparently dead OVERweight

LOL! Where’s that current picture of him, with his fat spilling out over the armpits of his jersey?

[shrink]

We know Thibs loves Jimmy, and Taylor ordered him to find a deal, then stepped back.

Do you think that the fact that the Heat offer is so low (really? Eat three years of Waiters?) is just Thibs stalling to tell Taylor he’s talking trade, and the Heat price is no reflection on the real price he’d sell for?

$63 mil for three years of Waiters-Richardson production and a pick in the 20’s? I don’t know if that’s positive value.

[alabamawolf]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

I'm not a big fan of Waiters. But he will be your best swing player by far. He is only 26. He has changed his game for the better since being here. He is a good defender and contributes as a point. His major problem is he continues to shoot when he is cold. If he focused more as a cutter and snowbirds plays he will be damn good. He is better than Wiggins.

But I understand, he has been hurt and he needs to prove he is healthy and his play on the court will be productive. The trade probably will not be revisited until JJ and Waiters show what they can do.

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Waiters is terrible. He tricked Miami into thinking he was a changed player during a contract year. As soon as he got paid he went back to being lazy Dion.

[K4P]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

I'm not a big fan of Waiters. But he will be your best swing player by far. He is only 26. He has changed his game for the better since being here. He is a good defender and contributes as a point. His major problem is he continues to shoot when he is cold. If he focused more as a cutter and snowbirds plays he will be damn good. He is better than Wiggins.

But I understand, he has been hurt and he needs to prove he is healthy and his play on the court will be productive. The trade probably will not be revisited until JJ and Waiters show what they can do.

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I agree he COULD be useful, but I don’t think the Wolves have a spot for another streaky shooter. If he could raise his value in these early games it would make his contract a little less hard to swallow. But for now, he is dead weight

[Calinks]

If Jimmy was doing this stuff with the teams best interest at heart that would be one thing. But he's not. He's not trying to work with the wolves moving forward. He's trying to jump ship. Paul George is acting like Jimmy is molding the guys for years to come. He's trying to leave ASAP. That's a key difference between him acting out and going off than guys like Kobe, etc. They were doing it to push their team and build towards winning.

[Heat_Fan_87]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

[shrink]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

I'm not a big fan of Waiters. But he will be your best swing player by far. He is only 26. He has changed his game for the better since being here. He is a good defender and contributes as a point. His major problem is he continues to shoot when he is cold. If he focused more as a cutter and snowbirds plays he will be damn good. He is better than Wiggins.

But I understand, he has been hurt and he needs to prove he is healthy and his play on the court will be productive. The trade probably will not be revisited until JJ and Waiters show what they can do.

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I agree he COULD be useful, but I don’t think the Wolves have a spot for another streaky shooter. If he could raise his value in these early games it would make his contract a little less hard to swallow. But for now, he is dead weight

Richardson, Wiggins (when he’s not the 3, always plays big minutes) and probably 1st round pick Josh Okogi would all get minutes over Waiters. Heck, Thibs wants to play Derrick Rose at the 2 as well.

I see Waiters sitting on our bench for three years, eating $12 mil a year.

[twix2500]

Man, JRich and waiters is an awful deal for us. People need to stop putting so much faith in a player who at best is a supporting piece. I don’t care about Butler being disgruntled, that just isn’t a good deal at all. Not to mention we also get the pleasure of having 11 million dollars of dead weight on our roster

I'm not a big fan of Waiters. But he will be your best swing player by far. He is only 26. He has changed his game for the better since being here. He is a good defender and contributes as a point. His major problem is he continues to shoot when he is cold. If he focused more as a cutter and snowbirds plays he will be damn good. He is better than Wiggins.

But I understand, he has been hurt and he needs to prove he is healthy and his play on the court will be productive. The trade probably will not be revisited until JJ and Waiters show what they can do.

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Waiters is terrible. He tricked Miami into thinking he was a changed player during a contract year. As soon as he got paid he went back to being lazy Dion.

No that is not what happened. He was playing hurt, and didn't elect to have surgery when he got injured. The Heat put an incentive clause if he doesn't play so many games, he loses 1.1 mill off that yr. It didn't heal on its own and he couldn't play through it. So he finally got the surgery and lost money. So there was incentive for him to play.

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[K4P]

Man, I really hope Thibs is prioritizing bringing in Defenders to replace Jimmy. I feel like Minnesota would actually be decent if they had better spacing and half decent defense. It would make it easier to run through Towns and use Wiggins as a slasher

[shrink]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

I like Richardson, but I don’t think he is a $20 mil a year player yet, but maybe someday. He is 25, so I would have hoped to see more to put him in the $20 mil a year club.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that the package of Richardson and Waiters is worth?:

2018-19. $20.9 mil
2019-20. $22.2 mil
2020-21. $23.5 mil
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2018-21. $66.6 mil

It feels like If Josh plays well, he takes minutes and value away from Waiters.

[PharmD]

Lowe and JVG podcast about how ridiculous Jimmy is acting.

[twix2500]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

I like Richardson, but I don’t think he is a $20 mil a year player yet, but maybe someday. He is 25, so I would have hoped to see more to put him in the $20 mil a year club.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that the package of Richardson and Waiters is worth?:

2018-19. $20.9 mil
2019-20. $22.2 mil
2020-21. $23.5 mil
——————————-
2018-21. $66.6 mil

It feels like If Josh plays well, he takes minutes and value away from Waiters.

Why are you focused on the total after 3 yrs. That money is gonna be spent anyways. If Waiters is healthy and if they just become good role players they will be under paid. 10 mill per contract gets you very little in free agency, especially 3 yrs from now. Both of these guys will be entering their prime 27 and 28

And Waiter and JRich skill set complement each other. They do not take away from each other.

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[Heat_Fan_87]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

I like Richardson, but I don’t think he is a $20 mil a year player yet, but maybe someday. He is 25, so I would have hoped to see more to put him in the $20 mil a year club.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that the package of Richardson and Waiters is worth?:

2018-19. $20.9 mil
2019-20. $22.2 mil
2020-21. $23.5 mil
——————————-
2018-21. $66.6 mil

It feels like If Josh plays well, he takes minutes and value away from Waiters.

i dont beleive your team would have money to upgrade at all if butler walked away. so the question should be, over teh next 3 years, would you rather just lose butler and rely on cap space(dont have it) to improve?

when you dont have cap space, dont worry about the money. butler walking gets you nothing. jrich and a first is better than nothing, waiters might surprise, he might suck but as i said.

i dont see the alternative as you guys have 20mil to spend on some other player if butler walk.

is jrich, waiters and a first rounder better than not being able to do anything until 2021?

[PharmD]

is jrich, waiters and a first rounder better than not being able to do anything until 2021?

[shrink]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

I like Richardson, but I don’t think he is a $20 mil a year player yet, but maybe someday. He is 25, so I would have hoped to see more to put him in the $20 mil a year club.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that the package of Richardson and Waiters is worth?:

2018-19. $20.9 mil
2019-20. $22.2 mil
2020-21. $23.5 mil
——————————-
2018-21. $66.6 mil

It feels like If Josh plays well, he takes minutes and value away from Waiters.

Why are you focused on the total after 3 yrs. That money is gonna be spent anyways. If Waiters is healthy and if they just become good role players they will be under paid. 10 mill per contract gets you very little in free agency, especially 3 yrs from now. Both of these guys will be entering their prime 27 and 28

And Waiter and JRich skill set complement each other. They do not take away from each other.

Doing nothing means the Wolves get that much salary in payroll relief the next two years. If they move Teague, MIN will have cap space next year too, and can devote it to other players. Richardson and Waiters are under contract for 3-4 years.

Thibs plays his starters, so Richardson would get minutes. I don’t see minutes for Waiters.

Mainly though, I’m trying to gauge the quality of the offer. If that package makes that much money, is that positive value. I’d be more in the neutral camp. We have a good feeling about the value of positive players, but we don’t evaluate negative players that well.

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[SO_MONEY]

you guys know your situation better than me, taking back waiters would suck. but jrich and a first instead of losing butler for nothing is a pretty decent deal. waiters deal hurts but rich making half what he could.

If the deal were only to be Richardson and a 1st, that is one thing, including Waiters is another. Richardson and a 1st is an OKAY deal, with Waiters it is a net negitive move. One or more picks would need to be attached to just Waiters to move him and Minnesota is not getting that value. It is an easy NO. Better letting walk.

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