Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[pcbothwel]

Agreed PIF.
I'm looking at two "Frameworks" for trades. Both are based on Wall, Beal, and Otto showing they are a legit trio. And while they may not be GSW or Celtics quality...they show to be a punchers chance, which about as good as you can hope for in Todays NBA.

1) My previously mentioned attempt to get under Tax this year by moving Rivers or Morris+
- Rivers + 1st to Kings for Min filler (Mason or Skal) and a 2nd

Why? Get us under tax this year and allows us to go over next year to retain Sato and Oubre and still be competitive

2) Trade Mahinmi + asset (Oubre or 1st) for Expirings, but rotation players.
- Mahinmi, Smith, Oubre to Bulls for RLo & Holiday. Save 6M in salary and another 15M+ in lux tax. Huge
- Mahinmi & Oubre to Jazz for Burks & Udoh

Why? Ted pays the repeater this year, but dumping Mahinmi and trading Oubre would actually allow us to fill out next years roster with Brown, Sato, 2019 1st, and the Full MLE without going back into the tax.

We pay the repeater tax this year, but no tax again any time soon.
19/20:
Wall / Pick
Beal / MLE
Sato / Brown
Otto / Vet min (Green) / Robinson
Dwight / Bryant

- Get backup Guard/Wing and PG with the draft pick and the Full MLE. Thats a solid 9 man rotation and then fill out the rest with Vets. By my math, we'd still be over 5M under the tax and could use the Bi-Annual exception as well. Thats really a solid rotation

[WallToWall]

Anything left in the tank for Joakim Noah? Is he an ok pickup for the end of the bench? I dont know how the stretch provision works, so I'm not sure if the Wizards will have to pay all/part/none of his pay, if we pick him up.

[nate33]

Anything left in the tank for Joakim Noah? Is he an ok pickup for the end of the bench? I dont know how the stretch provision works, so I'm not sure if the Wizards will have to pay all/part/none of his pay, if we pick him up.

No and no.

Also, we need another non-shooting center like we need a hole in the head.

[JWizmentality]

Anything left in the tank for Joakim Noah? Is he an ok pickup for the end of the bench? I dont know how the stretch provision works, so I'm not sure if the Wizards will have to pay all/part/none of his pay, if we pick him up.

Noah never recovered from that series with the Bulls were he got bent over and took a big Brazilian.

[Ruzious]

Regarding Butler... nothing like gettin' crazed in practice in order to force a trade.
He saw no movement on his trade request and decided to force the hand. Good news for the Wizards is that Butler may have lowered his perceived value to the point where he can be attained by the Wizards.

Butler no doubt hurt his trade value with his behavior and remarks this week. Yes, some teams and GMs will see what Butler did as leadership but others will want no part of his attitude.

I would definitely see the leadership side except for that pesky little thing of him still demanding a trade. That shootes the leadership quality in the head.

[Dat2U]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

[penbeast0]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

I like that deal and love the fact that it didn't include our 1st or taking on Dieng's salary. GET ER DONE!

[penbeast0]

Admittedly, Brooks will have to channel Phil Jackson to keep that Wall/Beal/Butler locker room from turning into "Mean Girls, the sequel" but I'd take that chance to have at least a brief shining moment of hope this year.

[payitforward]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

That's all you want for Oubre, Morris & Rivers? Just Jimmy Butler? C'mon, Dat -- lets be a little more ambitious.

*Of course* that's a great trade. Morris & Rivers make more than Butler & are both bad players. I'd be sorry to lose Oubre without a chance to see whether he's going to take the jump he needs to take this year, but... essentially that's all we'd be giving up.

[payitforward]

Butler no doubt hurt his trade value with his behavior and remarks this week...

I've been mulling whether to respond to this; I guess I will.

If you are Jimmy Butler, you want to lower your trade value!

The less a team has to give to acquire Butler, the larger the number of teams that might have a way to get in on a deal. I.e. the more likely a trade takes place. & that's what he wants -- a trade.

Butler is not worried about his next contract. He is one of the 2-3 best wings in the league, year after year. He's going to opt out of a $20m option next year & get a max deal from someone. Depending on who can make how much room, he's likely to have multiple offers.

[Dat2U]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

That's all you want for Oubre, Morris & Rivers? Just Jimmy Butler? C'mon, Dat -- lets be a little more ambitious.

*Of course* that's a great trade. Morris & Rivers make more than Butler & are both bad players. I'd be sorry to lose Oubre without a chance to see whether he's going to take the jump he needs to take this year, but... essentially that's all we'd be giving up.

Well Minny has pissed off their most ardent suitor in Miami to the point Miami sounds like they have moved on... and that was from a pretty one sided deal of Josh Richardson, a pick & Dion Waiters who's even worse than Rivers and has an extra year left on his deal!

Houston refuses to trade a 33 yr old role player in PJ Tucker and their offer seems to be Eric Gordon & a pick at the end of the 1st round.

So Butler's trade market doesn't seem to be bubbling at the moment. I'd go Oubre and a pick, provided they take Rivers and Morris and that might be the best long term move they could make.

It makes us really good THIS season. Arguably on that very next tier below Golden State with Boston, and Houston.

[dangermouse]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

That's all you want for Oubre, Morris & Rivers? Just Jimmy Butler? C'mon, Dat -- lets be a little more ambitious.

*Of course* that's a great trade. Morris & Rivers make more than Butler & are both bad players. I'd be sorry to lose Oubre without a chance to see whether he's going to take the jump he needs to take this year, but... essentially that's all we'd be giving up.

Well Minny has pissed off their most ardent suitor in Miami to the point Miami sounds like they have moved on... and that was from a pretty one sided deal of Josh Richardson, a pick & Dion Waiters who's even worse than Rivers and has an extra year left on his deal!

Houston refuses to trade a 33 yr old role player in PJ Tucker and their offer seems to be Eric Gordon & a pick at the end of the 1st round.

So Butler's trade market doesn't seem to be bubbling at the moment. I'd go Oubre and a pick, provided they take Rivers and Morris and that might be the best long term move they could make.

It makes us really good THIS season. Arguably on that very next tier below Golden State with Boston, and Houston.

I'm on board.

Can't afford to keep him but we'd be a good chance of making the finals.

[verbal8]

The thing about a proposed Miami deal is that Miami would also have to send out a bad contract (heard it was the hurt waiters who has 3 years left on his deal) to get a deal done.

In an Oubre/First deal we would be sending back expiring contracts.

So in some respect, an Oubre/Morris/Smith/First for Butler deal is not that bad of an offer and one I would do today.

Rivers is an easy piece to include as a filler.

Nobody wants Austin Rivers. Unless they're getting rid of someone with a "must go today" sign on him (like the one Ernie put on Gortat).

I mean him as filler as an expiring contract - not as having appeal as an actual player(at anything other above the vet minimum).

[daoneandonly]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

I like that deal and love the fact that it didn't include our 1st or taking on Dieng's salary. GET ER DONE!

It's not a great deal for Minny, but it sure as hell is better than anything Houston could give which has been reported. At least Oubre has a ton of upside

[Ruzious]

Oubre, Morris & Rivers is my dream trade for Butler. Partly for going all in on Butler and partly for trading the 3 guys that could sabotage this season with their low IQ and overinflated egos. It basically Brooks-proofs the roster.

Wall / Sato
Beal
Butler / Brown
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi

The bench is thin but our top 6 is arguably as strong as ANY team outside Golden State.

That's all you want for Oubre, Morris & Rivers? Just Jimmy Butler? C'mon, Dat -- lets be a little more ambitious.

*Of course* that's a great trade. Morris & Rivers make more than Butler & are both bad players. I'd be sorry to lose Oubre without a chance to see whether he's going to take the jump he needs to take this year, but... essentially that's all we'd be giving up.

Yeah, that would be a steal and a half. Gotta figure Minny can do better by simply taking Richardson and a garbage contract from Miami for Butler.

[penbeast0]

Morris is one of those guys that many people thing has value; reasonable contract, good defensive rep (even if often undeserved), athletics . . . he's rehabilitated his image on the Wizards. Enough so that teams might view him as positive, not negative value and the Wiz "brain trust" certainly seems to think so.

[dckingsfan]

Nothing on the Jodi Meeks blockbuster trade?

[MarcoPolo]

Nothing on the Jodi Meeks blockbuster trade?

Another trade another 2nd round pick probably gone. So Wizardish.

[pcbothwel]

Nothing on the Jodi Meeks blockbuster trade?

Another trade another 2nd round pick probably gone. So Wizardish.

Ehhh. Doubt it ever converts. Its simply the Bucks getting Meeks for free and we pay most his salary.

Good move. Salary + tax would of cost us over 10M for him this year.

Same thing will happen with Smith too, but probably at the deadline for cash flow purposes

[Ruzious]

I think Meeks' contract was at the very edge of the amount you can trade without taking anything back.