Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

[verbal8]

I think Jimmy Butler gets dealt around the trade deadline. If they are in the middle of the pack for the play-offs the Wolves might keep him. If they struggle, they might deal him sooner - maybe after mid-Dec when FA signed in the off-season become trade eligible.

The Lakers will be interesting - see if they stick with trying to build more slowly or if they figure he is worth mortgaging the future a bit.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Deonte Burton, un-drafted find for OKC

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Deonte Burton has been trying to find a spot in the league since he came out of college in 2014. Wish him luck.

We talked about him back then....

Wait, that's all wrong.

There are two Deonte Burton's if you can believe it. The guy I mention above & the kid on the Thunder who came out of college in 2017 & went undrafted.

The other one is a PG who didn't stick.

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[I_Like_Dirt]

I think Jimmy Butler gets dealt around the trade deadline. If they are in the middle of the pack for the play-offs the Wolves might keep him. If they struggle, they might deal him sooner - maybe after mid-Dec when FA signed in the off-season become trade eligible.

The Lakers will be interesting - see if they stick with trying to build more slowly or if they figure he is worth mortgaging the future a bit.

I think the Wolves are going to be at the back of the pack for the playoffs. Probably ahead of the Pelicans and Clippers (they aren't as bad as some seem to think) but behind the Nuggets, Thunder, Jazz, Lakers, Warriors, Rockets, Blazers and Spurs (I think the Spurs are going to struggle but hang on around 8th). In a dogfight for the 7th/8th playoff spots, the Wolves probably keep Butler and then lose him for nothing after getting one, or maybe two, first round exits for their troubles.

And speaking of the Pelicans, they're awful. I know preseason doesn't tell us much, but they aren't the kind of loaded team that can just turn it on. They just played their regular rotation last night for most of the game at home against the Raptors' 4th stringers and got blown out in the process of going winless for the preseason. They were torched by the likes of Malachi Richardson, Kay Felder and Eric Moreland. The Pelicans are a mess. Davis is as good as gone.

[FAH1223]

What the hell is happening in San Antonio?

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[dckingsfan]

What the hell is happening in San Antonio?

We might actually be able to get something for Sato - Phoenix is also looking for a PG.

[nate33]

What the hell is happening in San Antonio?

We might actually be able to get something for Rivers - Phoenix is also looking for a PG.

FIFY

[dckingsfan]

What the hell is happening in San Antonio?

We might actually be able to get something for Rivers - Phoenix is also looking for a PG.

FIFY

Ha!

[Ruzious]

Christian Wood - 19 points and 7 rebounds in 16 minutes against Minnnesota last night.

[Eli Babak]

Winslow signed 3 year/39M deal with the Heat. He was picked higher than Oubre (10th) but missed most of his second season that slowed his development. He's a good defender though and still has time to become a better shooter. Would you offer similar deal to Oubre right now? Oubre has been healthy but really inconsistent and doesn't have the highest basketball IQ (though he has improved a lot).

It's just so hard to value Oubre. I don't see him being worth 15-20M/year so something like 4 years/50-56M would be my max offer.

Edit: some say that last year in Winslow's deal is a team option. Nice! Hopefully Ernies is awake and gets a deal done.

[Ruzious]

Winslow signed 3 year/39M deal with the Heat. He was picked higher than Oubre (10th) but missed most of his second season that slowed his development. He's a good defender though and still has time to become a better shooter. Would you offer similar deal to Oubre right now? Oubre has been healthy but really inconsisent and doesn't have the highest basketball IQ. (That could be fixed easily though if he was allowed to play most of his minutes with the starters and just dump Morris somewhere... )

It's just so hard to value Oubre. I don't see him being worth 15-20M/year so something like 4 years/50-56M would be my max offer.

I think offering him an extension is a non-starter (so to speak) because of the lux tax implications, but even still, guys like Robinson and Brown by next season might be just as good as him while getting paid so much less.

[Eli Babak]

I think offering him an extension is a non-starter (so to speak) because of the lux tax implications, but even still, guys like Robinson and Brown by next season might be just as good as him while getting paid so much less.

I really like Brown's potential but I don't want to lose a good player for nothing. Hopefully they can negotiate an extension and then you have a nice asset - as long as Ernie doesn't overpay. If Oubre ends up being RFA and gets a huge offer then damn, there he goes. Next year is going to be crazy with Wall's supermax kicking in.

[pancakes3]

i think it's a nonstarter because there's no way we'd be able to match anything that free agency throws at him. he's going to get signed commensurate to what a starter makes and he won't be a starter for us if we keep wall/beal/porter.

[closg00]

i think it's a nonstarter because there's no way we'd be able to match anything that free agency throws at him. he's going to get signed commensurate to what a starter makes and he won't be a starter for us if we keep wall/beal/porter.

KO hasn't proven he is starter material yet, w/o reliable shooting he is not going to get a big pay day

[payitforward]

We might actually be able to get something for Rivers - Phoenix is also looking for a PG.

FIFY

Ha!

Tell me... do you think the Clippers would give us back Gortat to take back Rivers?

What an asinine trade that was!

[payitforward]

i think it's a nonstarter because there's no way we'd be able to match anything that free agency throws at him. he's going to get signed commensurate to what a starter makes and he won't be a starter for us if we keep wall/beal/porter.

KO hasn't proven he is starter material yet, w/o reliable shooting he is not going to get a big pay day

Don't know what counts as a big payday to you, but Winslow just got $39m for 3 seasons, & he can't shoot a bit.

[Ruzious]

i think it's a nonstarter because there's no way we'd be able to match anything that free agency throws at him. he's going to get signed commensurate to what a starter makes and he won't be a starter for us if we keep wall/beal/porter.

KO hasn't proven he is starter material yet, w/o reliable shooting he is not going to get a big pay day

Don't know what counts as a big payday to you, but Winslow just got $39m for 3 seasons, & he can't shoot a bit.

He's improving but yeah, at 3 point shooting contest between Winslow and Oubre would result in a lot of broken windows.

Bucks release Tyler Zeller - because guess who beat him out - that's right - Christian Wood - who both of us touted for more than a year. Zeller's a center with a nice looking jump shot, but he never devloped a 3 point shot - at least hasn't done it in NBA games. Some team will pick him up.

[stilldropin20]

I think Jimmy Butler gets dealt around the trade deadline. If they are in the middle of the pack for the play-offs the Wolves might keep him. If they struggle, they might deal him sooner - maybe after mid-Dec when FA signed in the off-season become trade eligible.

The Lakers will be interesting - see if they stick with trying to build more slowly or if they figure he is worth mortgaging the future a bit.

I think the Wolves are going to be at the back of the pack for the playoffs. Probably ahead of the Pelicans and Clippers (they aren't as bad as some seem to think) but behind the Nuggets, Thunder, Jazz, Lakers, Warriors, Rockets, Blazers and Spurs (I think the Spurs are going to struggle but hang on around 8th). In a dogfight for the 7th/8th playoff spots, the Wolves probably keep Butler and then lose him for nothing after getting one, or maybe two, first round exits for their troubles.

And speaking of the Pelicans, they're awful. I know preseason doesn't tell us much, but they aren't the kind of loaded team that can just turn it on. They just played their regular rotation last night for most of the game at home against the Raptors' 4th stringers and got blown out in the process of going winless for the preseason. They were torched by the likes of Malachi Richardson, Kay Felder and Eric Moreland. The Pelicans are a mess. Davis is as good as gone.

disagree on pels. Davis has perfect running mate in Mirotic who is way under rated and the perfect modern 4/5.

As they are pels are a 4-5 seed. If they make a good trade mid season trade for a good off ball shooter and they are just under houston/GS and a 55 win team.

[payitforward]

KO hasn't proven he is starter material yet, w/o reliable shooting he is not going to get a big pay day

Don't know what counts as a big payday to you, but Winslow just got $39m for 3 seasons, & he can't shoot a bit.

He's improving but yeah, at 3 point shooting contest between Winslow and Oubre would result in a lot of broken windows.

Bucks release Tyler Zeller - because guess who beat him out - that's right - Christian Wood - who both of us touted for more than a year. Zeller's a center with a nice looking jump shot, but he never devloped a 3 point shot - at least hasn't done it in NBA games. Some team will pick him up.

I am really happy for Christian Wood, who has worked hard & made himself into a terrific player. He's still young -- about 10 weeks older than Kelly Oubre.

If we had an intelligent Front Office, Wood would be a Wizard. For that matter, we also whiffed on Khem Birch.

[nate33]

Don't know what counts as a big payday to you, but Winslow just got $39m for 3 seasons, & he can't shoot a bit.

He's improving but yeah, at 3 point shooting contest between Winslow and Oubre would result in a lot of broken windows.

Bucks release Tyler Zeller - because guess who beat him out - that's right - Christian Wood - who both of us touted for more than a year. Zeller's a center with a nice looking jump shot, but he never devloped a 3 point shot - at least hasn't done it in NBA games. Some team will pick him up.

I am really happy for Christian Wood, who has worked hard & made himself into a terrific player. He's still young -- about 10 weeks older than Kelly Oubre.

If we had an intelligent Front Office, Wood would be a Wizard. For that matter, we also whiffed on Khem Birch.

I can live with the Wizards missing out on Wood in the draft, particularly since Wood hasn't been very good in his first 3 seasons. The disappointing part is that he was available as a minimum salary signing.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

What about Zeller for the league minimum as our 15th guy?