Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[KG_Wolves]

Ya no he does not want to be in Minnesota so why should wolves fans want to root for someone who does not want to be there.

This has nothing to do with Minnesota or the team, it has to do with money.

We have Jimmy's bird rights, we can pay him the most.

Jimmy wanted his money now, but we could not oblige this summer.

[Worm Guts]

Did attendance increase last year over the previous year?

Higher local TV ratings or greater jersey sales?

Maybe any increase in revenues wasn’t enough to justify having a third $30 million plus player, especially with luxury taxes.

I'm sure all of those revenue streams increased last year. I'm still not sure what you're getting at. To the best of my knowledge there are no reputable reports that say Taylor was unwilling to Butler the 5 year max next summer. They have offered him as much money as they possibly could under the CBA this summer.

I'm just trying to understand a little of the team's history, like how well supported the team has been.

How long has Taylor been the owner? I remember when KG got that big contract, the first 9-figure deal in the NBA or one of the first, a sports economist said the Wolves had to give him that deal because the team might not survive if they let KG leave.

I know the Target Center opened a few years ago so has that helped attendance in general?

This really has nothing to do with the Jimmy Butler situation.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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I was hoping taylor showed up to fire thibs, but I guess not.

[wco81]

Wow that guy is ancient. Doesn't he have a grandson who could be overlooking the team?

A grandson who'd probably be middle aged?

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

anyone who boo's jimmy better damn well not criticize KAT and Wiggins for lack of heart if they show it.

his message all along is what a lot of Wolves fans have seen if you watch the games.

I pretty sure you can do both. Jimmy doesn’t have a clear message. Is it about money or about his teammates?

Im pretty sure he can be about both.

[theGreatRC]

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I was hoping taylor showed up to fire thibs, but I guess not.

Does anyone know if that article has any useful info about why Glenny boy was there?

[Domejandro]

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I was hoping taylor showed up to fire thibs, but I guess not.

Does anyone know if that article has any useful info about why Glenny boy was there?

Actually a good report, and I would recommend the Athletic to anyone who loves great sports media and has a little bit of disposable income, but here is the "agreement" Glen and Jimmy came to....

Three days before the start of the regular season, Taylor met with his disgruntled All-Star before practice, searching for some sort of understanding to calm the noise that has drowned out any sense of excitement for the upcoming season. In the meeting, Taylor and Butler came to an agreement, sources said: Taylor will continue to work diligently to find a trade as soon as possible. Until that happens, Butler will be a good teammate and play as hard as he always does.

[Mattya]

anyone who boo's jimmy better damn well not criticize KAT and Wiggins for lack of heart if they show it.

his message all along is what a lot of Wolves fans have seen if you watch the games.

I pretty sure you can do both. Jimmy doesn’t have a clear message. Is it about money or about his teammates?

Or you could boo him for how he handled the situation. People are trying to muddy the conversation.

Do KAT and Wiggins need to play harder, obviously.

Has Jimmy handled the situation professionally, obviously not.

Jimmy can have valid reasons to leave and still get booed for how he acted.

[Jedzz]

Wow that guy is ancient. Doesn't he have a grandson who could be overlooking the team?

A grandson who'd probably be middle aged?

Because middle aged automatically means smarter, brighter, or more sane than someone who is older?

It's his team and he'll do what he wants to. It's not your team for a reason. It's not mine either so we are in similar boats.

[Jedzz]

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Anyone who wants to moan and boo go ahead, as Jimmy scores the game winner.

KAT and Wiggs will embrace him still

Jimmys next game winner will be his first as a t-wolf. Jimmy was many things last year, but game winning shot maker was not one of them. I think he was 0-11 or something like that.

And I think Wiggs is already good with Butler.

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I don't think he was a great shot on those game winner attempts. But he wasn't 0-11 either. He also wasn't taking those shots early on until it became clear we had no one capable of doing it as usual. I know everyone all season wanted Kat to take more of them. But Kat has yet to really jump into a leadership role and play well under the biggest pressure moments. Maybe in time.

[AmitabhaBuddha]

Glen probably told Jimmy- “I’ll make thibs trade you, but your value needs to increase. We got bad offers. I’m not going to trade you for offers that make the team worse off in the long run. It’s in everyone’s interest for you to play for the time being” Jimmy was probably “Fine. I appreciate your honesty papa Glen. I just want to get paid at the end of the season. I know this went bad for me and you.”

Thibs was in his office. Having survived this storm playing the situation perfectly for his needs. Not having listened to the media or any “hot take”.

[Jedzz]

Ya no he does not want to be in Minnesota so why should wolves fans want to root for someone who does not want to be there.

This has nothing to do with Minnesota or the team, it has to do with money.

We have Jimmy's bird rights, we can pay him the most.

Jimmy wanted his money now, but we could not oblige this summer.

There is still a slight problem with actually paying Butler a 5 year and full amount because of his bird rights. The problem is there is already two maxed players and they would somehow need to afford at least 8 other rostered players.

For it to be even doable, Wiggins and Towns would pretty much really need to become true consistent allstars because you would only be putting cheap 1 year deal players and rookie contract guys around the three massive deal guys if you could afford it at all. I doubt they could even afford new first round pick contracts really unless the cap changed more then usual.

That's why I think Jimmy was hoping the team traded Wiggins' contract or someone out during the season or this summer at latest to make better room for him and others and it just didn't happen. We don't even know if they tried to. If Jimmy had talks with Thibs or Layden about such things and they didn't go through with what they promised, much of this could have come from something like that. During July it was talked about in the media that other GMs had suggested Wiggins' deal was not untradeable, and that it was maybe affecting free agency. Does that mean they were taking feelers on him and in the end nothing ended up happening? If so, you could see why Jimmy was allowing the team the summer to clear room for his extension. July 6th was the first date I think you could start finalizing trades.

[KG_Wolves]

Glen probably told Jimmy- “I’ll make thibs trade you, but your value needs to increase. We got bad offers. I’m not going to trade you for offers that make the team worse off in the long run. It’s in everyone’s interest for you to play for the time being” Jimmy was probably “Fine. I appreciate your honesty papa Glen. I just want to get paid at the end of the season. I know this went bad for me and you.”

Thibs was in his office. Having survived this storm playing the situation perfectly for his needs. Not having listened to the media or any “hot take”.

Pretty much, although Thibs was not doing any trade discussions with any intent of actual doing a trade

[KG_Wolves]

Ya no he does not want to be in Minnesota so why should wolves fans want to root for someone who does not want to be there.

This has nothing to do with Minnesota or the team, it has to do with money.

We have Jimmy's bird rights, we can pay him the most.

Jimmy wanted his money now, but we could not oblige this summer.

There is still a slight problem with actually paying Butler a 5 year and full amount because of his bird rights. The problem is there is already two maxed players and they would somehow need to afford at least 8 other rostered players.

For it to be even doable, Wiggins and Towns would pretty much really need to become true consistent allstars because you would only be putting cheap 1 year deal players and rookie contract guys around the three massive deal guys if you could afford it at all. I doubt they could even afford new first round pick contracts really unless the cap changed more then usual.

That's why I think Jimmy was hoping the team traded Wiggins' contract or someone out during the season or this summer at latest to make better room for him and others and it just didn't happen. We don't even know if they tried to. If Jimmy had talks with Thibs or Layden about such things and they didn't go through with what they promised, much of this could have come from something like that. During July it was talked about in the media that other GMs had suggested Wiggins' deal was not untradeable, and that it was maybe affecting free agency. Does that mean they were taking feelers on him and in the end nothing ended up happening? If so, you could see why Jimmy was allowing the team the summer to clear room for his extension. July 6th was the first date I think you could start finalizing trades.

Depending on how Wiggins does this season, its not out of the question that he becomes a salary dump and Jimmy gets paid.

This season is massively important for Wiggins future.

[theGreatRC]

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I was hoping taylor showed up to fire thibs, but I guess not.

Does anyone know if that article has any useful info about why Glenny boy was there?

Actually a good report, and I would recommend the Athletic to anyone who loves great sports media and has a little bit of disposable income, but here is the "agreement" Glen and Jimmy came to....

Three days before the start of the regular season, Taylor met with his disgruntled All-Star before practice, searching for some sort of understanding to calm the noise that has drowned out any sense of excitement for the upcoming season. In the meeting, Taylor and Butler came to an agreement, sources said: Taylor will continue to work diligently to find a trade as soon as possible. Until that happens, Butler will be a good teammate and play as hard as he always does.

Appreciate it Dom!

I was thinking of getting a subscription, but I feel like i'm only going to read articles once in a blue moon..that KG article almost made me get a subscription lol

[wco81]

Wow that guy is ancient. Doesn't he have a grandson who could be overlooking the team?

A grandson who'd probably be middle aged?

Because middle aged automatically means smarter, brighter, or more sane than someone who is older?

It's his team and he'll do what he wants to. It's not your team for a reason. It's not mine either so we are in similar boats.

Compared to however old Glen Taylor is?

Jerry Jones has adult sons and presumably grandchildren.

B7t he still runs the Cowboys.

How’s that working out?

[Jedzz]

Depending on how Wiggins does this season, its not out of the question that he becomes a salary dump and Jimmy gets paid.

This season is massively important for Wiggins future.

I see that as possible as well. Might be one option Thibs is still keeping on the back burner. However I don't know how many teams will be in position to help with that come that point. Maybe Wiggins surprises everyone this year. I'm holding water over it.

[Jedzz]

Wow that guy is ancient. Doesn't he have a grandson who could be overlooking the team?

A grandson who'd probably be middle aged?

Because middle aged automatically means smarter, brighter, or more sane than someone who is older?

It's his team and he'll do what he wants to. It's not your team for a reason. It's not mine either so we are in similar boats.

Compared to however old Glen Taylor is?

Jerry Jones has adult sons and presumably grandchildren.

B7t he still runs the Cowboys.

How’s that working out?

You are assuming his adult sons and grandchildren are smarter than him just because he's old? That's one big assumption.

Senility is certainly possible with age but it's not automatic by age. Really young adults often think they know more than they do. Talking down to their elders isn't new. But most of the time they don't yet know half of what they are still missing. Jerry at his age could probably still spin us both under the table financial moves wise even if he's lost a lot of his particular genius already. Even if almost completely senile he's still got experience most of us wouldn't even understand until we went through it. We wouldn't see it coming. Of course we have some great young and middle aged minds walking around too and maybe that's you.

One thing to take into account when we see owners do what we believe are screwy things is that their teams are run at their prerogative because it's theirs. If they feel like blowing it up that's their choice. If it's gone down a path they don't like maybe they just want to reset it even if it doesn't make sense to anyone else. Most owners are living on a different planet than we do. Expect their minds to see things differently too.

[wco81]

Cowboys haven’t won a playoffs game in like 20 years.

Any head coach who pushes back against his meddling are ousted while mediocrities like Garrett keeps his job because he’s a yes man.

Anyways Stephen Jones, who holds high titles in the org chart, is 54. Whether the Cowboys would field a better team if he has the final word vs. Jerry we will probably never know until Jerry gives way or dies.

[Rapaz]

Adam Silver is rumored to be trying to broker a deal between Miami and Minnesota to save the Timberwolves and the league further embarrassment. He told a close associate that the Minnesota clown **** show must end and that it could be worse for the league than the Donald Sterling scandal if it continues.