Marcus Morris Questions Al-Farouq Aminu’s and Nikola Mirotic's ESPN Top 100 Rank

[bon]

I wouldn't take him ahead of Mirotic, but there are definitely some players he deserved to be ahead of.

I'd take Morris ahead of all the below players from the list

Fournier at 99

Winslow at 96

Fultz at 93

Pope at 92

Brogdon at 90

Roberson at 78

VanVleet at 74

Ball at 62

And if it's the playoffs I'm taking him ahead of Collison too

Why is Doncic at 63 without a single regular season game under his belt

Covington at 49 is a joke

Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon and Gordon Hayward at 42, 41 and 40 feels like the writer just started going with names that popped into his head one after another.

Porter Jr at 38 is a joke

Beal ahead of Jaylen Brown? No thanks

Lowry ahead of Mitchell and Gobert? No thanks

Fultz and Doncic are your only legitimate gripes here and that's only because they haven't played any meaningful minutes so far.

[sule]

Top 100 means that, theoretically, he should be the 3rd option on the worst team in the league.

But would you take him as the third option on Sacramento or Dallas or Atlanta or Brooklyn or Orlando? I'm not sure I could make that argument and have everyone agree on it.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

I would be happy if the Pelicans traded Mirotic for some of those dudes like Robert Covington or Robes. I'd be sad if they traded him for Marcus Morris. Roberson if he comes back healthy is the best perimeter defender the NBA. How is that not worthy of Top 100?

Firstly because I don’t necessarily agree that it’s a given that he’s “the best”, I’d say he was a very good defender.

Secondly because I expect rankings to be based on both what a player has done his previous season and a reasonable projection of what they’re capable of this season. That’s why I find the Fulz and Ball rankings way off.

So Roberson played less than half the season and has recently had another setback on his knee and apparently will be evaluated in 2 months. Add his inconsistent and unreliable play on offense and yeah, I’m not a fan

[zimpy27]

Marcus will be lucky to get minutes this season

[RakimAbdulJabar]

I wouldn't take him ahead of Mirotic, but there are definitely some players he deserved to be ahead of.

I'd take Morris ahead of all the below players from the list

Fournier at 99

Winslow at 96

Fultz at 93

Pope at 92

Brogdon at 90

Roberson at 78

VanVleet at 74

Ball at 62

And if it's the playoffs I'm taking him ahead of Collison too

Why is Doncic at 63 without a single regular season game under his belt

Covington at 49 is a joke

Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon and Gordon Hayward at 42, 41 and 40 feels like the writer just started going with names that popped into his head one after another.

Porter Jr at 38 is a joke

Beal ahead of Jaylen Brown? No thanks

Lowry ahead of Mitchell and Gobert? No thanks

Fultz and Doncic are your only legitimate gripes here and that's only because they haven't played any meaningful minutes so far.

I’m not going to get into why I think some of those rankings are ridiculous but let’s just look at one of them since you’re a Raptors fan.

Are you telling me you’d take Lowry ahead of Mitchell or Gobert? If those 3 are in a draft based on what we’ve seen to this point in their careers and a GM takes Lowry ahead of either of those guys he should lose his job immediately

[UcanUwill]

Mirotic is light years better than Morris.

I'd also take Aminu but that could be debated I guess.

The 100 top players are basically guys capable of being top 3 guys on a roster. Morris isn't.

I'm def not a fan of either Morris twin but people here are talking like Miotic is some great player. He's a poor defender and has been up and down efficiency wise with his shooting. I wouldn't have put either in the top 100. Morris can at least be an average defender while I don't see much of a difference offensively.

Yeah, I didn't notice when Mirotic became this RealGM darling, he had one good year, half a year honestly.

[UcanUwill]

He alos said that he will boycot 2k and won't play heir game because he think that he is underrated in that game.

Satire?

[Shaka_Zulu]

I wish he would just shut up. Guy is the biggest black hole in the league and it’s not even close.

Have you met Taj Gibson?

How the hell is Gibson a black hole? He was really good glue guy for Timberwolves last season.

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[Unbiased hater]

He alos said that he will boycot 2k and won't play heir game because he think that he is underrated in that game.

Satire?

He posted a video where he said that

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Mirotic is better, but I don’t think he’s 50+ spots better than Morris is. I’d take Morris over Aminu though, for sure.

Saw some guys at the back end of that top 100 that I think Morris is better than.

[UcanUwill]

He alos said that he will boycot 2k and won't play heir game because he think that he is underrated in that game.

Satire?

He posted a video where he said that

Got to be kidding, is he 14 or something. Embarrassing stuff

[sca]

Mirotic is light years better than Morris.

I'd also take Aminu but that could be debated I guess.

The 100 top players are basically guys capable of being top 3 guys on a roster. Morris isn't.

I'm def not a fan of either Morris twin but people here are talking like Miotic is some great player. He's a poor defender and has been up and down efficiency wise with his shooting. I wouldn't have put either in the top 100. Morris can at least be an average defender while I don't see much of a difference offensively.

Mirotic is actually a wonderful defender. Consistently asked to bang with bigger 5s and more than holds his own. Also a great rebounder

Nooo, Mirotic is a poor defender, because, you know, he’s a Euro big... You know how it goes

[sca]

Mirotic is better, but I don’t think he’s 50+ spots better than Morris is. I’d take Morris over Aminu though, for sure.

Saw some guys at the back end of that top 100 that I think Morris is better than.

Mirotic is light years ahead of Morris. They’re not even close.

[cl2117]

Where is this HUGE gap that some of you people see between these 3 players?

Look at the stats:

Careers:
http://bkref.com/tiny/DYp4C

Last season:
http://bkref.com/tiny/FSkrT

I'm genuinely curious. Mirotic is the best of the bunch, but it's not by nearly as wide a margin as a lot of you want to make out. I'd rank them Mirotic, Morris, Aminu.

[sca]

I wouldn't take him ahead of Mirotic, but there are definitely some players he deserved to be ahead of.

I'd take Morris ahead of all the below players from the list

Fournier at 99

Winslow at 96

Fultz at 93

Pope at 92

Brogdon at 90

Roberson at 78

VanVleet at 74

Ball at 62

And if it's the playoffs I'm taking him ahead of Collison too

Why is Doncic at 63 without a single regular season game under his belt

Covington at 49 is a joke

Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon and Gordon Hayward at 42, 41 and 40 feels like the writer just started going with names that popped into his head one after another.

Porter Jr at 38 is a joke

Beal ahead of Jaylen Brown? No thanks

Lowry ahead of Mitchell and Gobert? No thanks

No offense but your takes are garbage, man. Beal is vastly superior to Jaylen Brown, who’s nice and probably has all-star potential but not even close to the level Beal is at. He’s never lead a team like Beal has.

You realize that Morris is a one dimensional guy with no above average skill beyond volume scoring, right? At least Fournier is a versatile offensive plyayer with some playmaking skills (not to mention a better scorer than him).

Winslow is debatable, but he’s much easier to fit on a roster due to his versatility defensively.

Fultz is projected to play better than last year. Only time will tell how he’s going to play but it’s not a travesty to include him in this list over Morris.

Pope is a decent starter and was the better player back when they were both at Pistons.

Brogdon is debatable, but I’d still take him over Morris.

Roberson is an amazing defender who raises the floor of his team immediately. There’s no way he’s not a better player than Morris.

VanVleet is twice the player Morris is.

Ball is a very promising all-around player and definitely better than a one trick pony like Morris.

[Jon1798]

Where is this HUGE gap that some of you people see between these 3 players?

Look at the stats:

Careers:
http://bkref.com/tiny/DYp4C

Last season:
http://bkref.com/tiny/FSkrT

I'm genuinely curious. Mirotic is the best of the bunch, but it's not by nearly as wide a margin as a lot of you want to make out. I'd rank them Mirotic, Morris, Aminu.

Mirotic is better in every single tangible statistical category. That’s what everyone sees. That is a wide margin.

[homecourtloss]

Where is this HUGE gap that some of you people see between these 3 players?

Look at the stats:

Careers:
http://bkref.com/tiny/DYp4C

Last season:
http://bkref.com/tiny/FSkrT

I'm genuinely curious. Mirotic is the best of the bunch, but it's not by nearly as wide a margin as a lot of you want to make out. I'd rank them Mirotic, Morris, Aminu.

Those stats don’t show DEFENSE. In a league that’s featuring teams putting out 4 wings/guards who can all shoot, a versatile defender is a valuable asset. Morris doesn’t do one thing at an elite level. Aminu is an elite defender.

Also, take a look at impact stats (RAPM, RPM). Mirotic and Aminu (despite his offense though he’s becoming a better shooter) are highly positive players whereas Morris is not.

[homecourtloss]

I wouldn't take him ahead of Mirotic, but there are definitely some players he deserved to be ahead of.

I'd take Morris ahead of all the below players from the list

Fournier at 99
Winslow at 96
Fultz at 93
Pope at 92
Brogdon at 90
Roberson at 78
VanVleet at 74
Ball at 62
And if it's the playoffs I'm taking him ahead of Collison too

Why is Doncic at 63 without a single regular season game under his belt

Covington at 49 is a joke

Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon and Gordon Hayward at 42, 41 and 40 feels like the writer just started going with names that popped into his head one after another.

Porter Jr at 38 is a joke

Beal ahead of Jaylen Brown? No thanks

Lowry ahead of Mitchell and Gobert? No thanks

No offense but your takes are garbage, man. Beal is vastly superior to Jaylen Brown, who’s nice and probably has all-star potential but not even close to the level Beal is at. He’s never lead a team like Beal has.

You realize that Morris is a one dimensional guy with no above average skill beyond volume scoring, right? At least Fournier is a versatile offensive plyayer with some playmaking skills (not to mention a better scorer than him).

Winslow is debatable, but he’s much easier to fit on a roster due to his versatility defensively.

Fultz is projected to play better than last year. Only time will tell how he’s going to play but it’s not a travesty to include him in this list over Morris.

Pope is a decent starter and was the better player back when they were both at Pistons.

Brogdon is debatable, but I’d still take him over Morris.

Roberson is an amazing defender who raises the floor of his team immediately. There’s no way he’s not a better player than Morris.

VanVleet is twice the player Morris is.

Ball is a very promising all-around player and definitely better than a one trick pony like Morris.

Good post. The other poster seems to be stuck in 1988 or something. We have statistics that tell us how these players impact the game. Morris has impacted his team negatively or neutrally for years now. As you say, he doesn’t have a SINGLE above average skill even though all together he seems like he should be better.

I’d take ALL of these players over Morris:

Fournier at 99— is a plus offensive player whose defense cancels that out, but at least he’s neutral and csn get hot. Has an above average skill.


Winslow at 96— at least Winslow is a borderline elite defender whi can guard 1-4 who can maybe eventually grow offensively.

Fultz at 93—shooting issues butnhas shown playmaking skills, breakdown with the dribble skills, and defense. By year’s end, I think he’ll go up the list.

Pope at 92—maybe here, but at least Cope is a knockdown shooter on open threes, i.e., one above average skill

Brogdon at 90—Maybe here but has shown signs of being a defender outside of Kidd’s antiquated scheme

Roberson at 78–Is this a joke? Roberson was literally the best perimeter defender in the NBA last year. Yeah, injuries are a concern and his offense, but he makes his team so much better even without any offense. Tske a look at how good the Thunder were last year when he was on court. Literally even the worst GMs would take him over Morris.

VanVleet at 74–is this is a joke? He does everything well and somehow, someway, every time he comes on court, the Raps go on runs. I think he’s underrated at 74. Literally nobody would tske Morris over him.

Ball at 62 —shooting issues, but he was a plus player via DEFENSE ALONE. He literally had one of the best rookie PG defensive years in NBA history last year. Sees the court, can make plays, switch 1-4 in small ball. He’s a future all star easily with a jump shot.


And if it's the playoffs I'm taking him ahead of Collison too—No, not really.

Why is Doncic at 63 without a single regular season game under his belt—can see the argument here, but Donic will be top 50 or higher after this year. His floor -25% is at least as high as Morris’s ceiling.


Covington at 49 is a joke—top two perimeter defender in the NBA, can knock down threes. It’s a an absolute joke you would take Morris over him.

Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon and Gordon Hayward at 42, 41 and 40 feels like the writer just started going with names that popped into his head one after another.—all are better than Morris by a lot.

Porter Jr at 38 is a joke—again, defense and versatility.

Beal ahead of Jaylen Brown? No thanks—for the future, I agree, but right now, Beal is better.

Lowry ahead of Mitchell and Gobert? No thanks—Mitchell’s future is promising, but Lowry has made more of an impact for four years straight now and actually finally had a very good playoff run.

[cl2117]

Mirotic is better in every single tangible statistical category. That’s what everyone sees. That is a wide margin.

Yes but by no means is it massive gulf between the two in any one area. I've said from the start that Mirotic is the better player, but people in this thread trying to make it out like we are comparing Morris to AD and not Mirotic.

[ballup]

I think a lot of people are forgetting or not knowing that players rank themselves differently than the general public and analysts. They value much more the ability to create shots, which is something Morris does much better than either Mirotic and Aminu.

The three offer different things. Mirotic is your stretch big archtype who is limited to threes and inside the paint. Offensively, you can plug him on most teams, defensively is a different question. Morris is a wing/small ball 4 who takes most of his shots from midrange ISOs. His shot distribution is really messed up. Solid 1 on 1 perimeter defender, but not a help defender. For fit, he works in a lot of settings, but his me type game does warp some of the team‘s offensive dynamics. Aminu is a an okay shooter and can‘t create his shot, but he is vastly the better help defender than either and is more than solid as a perimeter defender. He fits in many situations because his defense will always contribute.

I think the debate is a lot closer than people are making it out to be. Morris kinda has a point from a talent standpoint. He‘s the only two way player of the three, however the BBIQ makes this a different story.

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