#8 UCF [10-0] @ Tampa

[MagicFan101]

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What he said lol

That sure is a darn cute excuse.

Like all things in life, you have to put money on the table if you want a shot at the jackpot.

You’re sharing a generalization of all non-P5 programs. Just read through this thread and it’s evident people here understand UCF is not your average non-P5 program in recent years. With record setting wins, sales and promotions there is a surplus of funds. What do you do with that? Save it for a rainy day? Spend it on facility upgrades (not a terrible idea)? Or do you use some of it to play your hand in a bigger arena and try to set the stage for UCF’s arrival to the big leagues during the next re-alignment?

I don’t believe management is as naive as many here who believe UCF will be invited simply due to the kindness and generosity of the P5 conferences. I do however believe they have already given up on any such dream.

[Knightro]

I don’t believe management is as naive as many here who believe UCF will be invited simply due to the kindness and generosity of the P5 conferences. I do however believe they have already given up on any such dream.

Again, if UCF gets invited to a bigger conference when the next round of conference realignment happens, it will be for one reason and one reason only.

It will be because the conference sending UCF the invite believes that UCF can generate more revenue for the league (be it through TV contracts, cable subscriptions, OTT service subscriptions, whatever the revenue stream is) than another candidate.

That's literally it.

This idea that "oh well UCF needs to prove itself against bigger competition more consistently!" is nonsense. Any conference realignment, as it always is, will be 100% focused on how much money the conferences can make.

If UCF can bring in move revenue for the conference than Houston or Memphis or Boise or whoever, they'll get the call over those programs.

[UCF]

TV markets and brand recognition are all that will matter if the other leagues choose to expand again. UCF has both lately in their favor. No other G5 team can say that at the moment. USF and Cincinnati are just now getting recognition for their season.

The last expansion to me was more about killing the big east (version 1.0) and increasing market share for tv networks for the remaining leagues. No one new got into the “club” but some got kicked out like UConn Cincinnati and USF.

[MagicFan101]

I don’t believe management is as naive as many here who believe UCF will be invited simply due to the kindness and generosity of the P5 conferences. I do however believe they have already given up on any such dream.

Again, if UCF gets invited to a bigger conference when the next round of conference realignment happens, it will be for one reason and one reason only.

It will be because the conference sending UCF the invite believes that UCF can generate more revenue for the league (be it through TV contracts, cable subscriptions, OTT service subscriptions, whatever the revenue stream is) than another candidate.

That's literally it.

This idea that "oh well UCF needs to prove itself against bigger competition more consistently!" is nonsense. Any conference realignment, as it always is, will be 100% focused on how much money the conferences can make.

If UCF can bring in move revenue for the conference than Houston or Memphis or Boise or whoever, they'll get the call over those programs.

Come on ... you can’t have missed my entire point that badly.

I clearly stated over and over that W/L are cyclical and recent trends have little to no value in expansion.

$$$$ is what I have been talking about this entire time. You don’t travel to Norman or Austin to try and prove you can win the game. You go to show that fans travel and UCF is a revenue generator for both home and away games. That hasn’t always been the case. Now is the time to change people’s mind. Ride the wave.

[Knightro]

$$$$ is what I have been talking about this entire time. You don’t travel to Norman or Austin to try and prove you can win the game. You go to show that fans travel and UCF is a revenue generator for both home and away games. That hasn’t always been the case. Now is the time to change people’s mind. Ride the wave.

Buddy... this is just false.

I don't know how to explain it any different. How many tickets UCF sells at home or when they're away is a minuscule, almost irrelevant factor in their expansion hopes.

It comes down to money, yes, but not in the way you're suggesting. Ticket revenue simply doesn't and won't have anything major to do with conference realignment.

I actually agree with you that the next wave of big money rights deals might look totally different than the current wave. I don't think traditional television is going away completely because live sports has proven to be one thing that's DVR proof, but things will likely have a heavier focus on digital, streaming and social.

But trust me... the Big 12 is going to weigh the football programs that draw big TV ratings and the fan/alumni bases that have shown they will pay to consume content digitally a lot heavier than they will weigh the football programs that bring 5000 fans to a road games v. the ones that bring 2000 fans.

[Knightro]

500,000 UCF fans and alums watching a hypothetical UCF v. Oklahoma game on television/streaming/paying to watch the game on a digital platform is a whole lot more valuable for the Big 12 as a whole than UCF bringing 7000 fans to the Norman instead of 2000 fans.

[MagicFan101]

$$$$ is what I have been talking about this entire time. You don’t travel to Norman or Austin to try and prove you can win the game. You go to show that fans travel and UCF is a revenue generator for both home and away games. That hasn’t always been the case. Now is the time to change people’s mind. Ride the wave.

Buddy... this is just false.

I don't know how to explain it any different. How many tickets UCF sells at home or when they're away is a minuscule, almost irrelevant factor in their expansion hopes.

It comes down to money, yes, but not in the way you're suggesting. Ticket revenue simply doesn't and won't have anything major to do with conference realignment.

I actually agree with you that the next wave of big money rights deals might look totally different than the current wave. I don't think traditional television is going away completely because live sports has proven to be one thing that's DVR proof, but things will likely have a heavier focus on digital, streaming and social.

But trust me... the Big 12 is going to weigh the football programs that draw big TV ratings and the fan/alumni bases that have shown they will pay to consume content digitally a lot heavier than they will weigh the football programs that bring 5000 fans to a road games v. the ones that bring 2000 fans.

First ... No one is talking about DVRs. That is already outdated. Wow ... just wow ...

We’re talking live streaming through mobile media giants like Amazon, Hulu, Facebook and so on as opposed to the cold and outdated fixed deals of cable channels like ESPN, Fox and others.

Disagree with me on the value of such games / sales. That’s fine. That’s what a discussion board is for. But when someone takes the time to explain one thing only to have to spun or completely misunderstood ... sad and frustrating.

[MagicFan101]

500,000 UCF fans and alums watching a hypothetical UCF v. Oklahoma game on television/streaming/paying to watch the game on a digital platform is a whole lot more valuable for the Big 12 as a whole than UCF bringing 7000 fans to the Norman instead of 2000 fans.

You don’t think there is value in small college towns seeing a influx of college game day tourists filling their hotels, shops, restaurants and bars 6 weeks a year?

Go visit Tallahassee during FSU-UF weekend versus FSU-CupcakeU and tell me the difference you see.


You have to schedule someone to play. Why not ensure all home games come with a packed town and $ spent throughout the community.

The big programs are already in the winners circle. They are getting the TV money in expansion regardless. But the TV money is not shared with local businesses. There are other factors to consider as well. Whoever gets invited to the dance should help boost other areas.

[Knightro]

First ... No one is talking about DVRs. That is already outdated. Wow ... just wow ...

We’re talking live streaming through mobile media giants like Amazon, Hulu, Facebook and so on as opposed to the cold and outdated fixed deals of cable channels like ESPN, Fox and others.

Disagree with me on the value of such games / sales. That’s fine. That’s what a discussion board is for. But when someone takes the time to explain one thing only to have to spun or completely misunderstood ... sad and frustrating.

You want to talk about missing the point...

"DVR proof" is nothing more than an expression. Call it cord-cutting proof. Call it whatever you want.

What I'm saying to you is that even if people who love sports don't feel like cable is valuable to their lives anymore, they either A. still keep it because it offers them the path of least resistance to watching live sports or B. they sign up specifically for sports based services like NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass Broadband to still access those sports live or they pay for streaming services like Playstation Vue, Sling, Apple TV, etc in order to still access live sports.

The point is that very few people watch sporting events on a delay. If someone doesn't catch a game live, they typically don't watch it at all.

The idea of having access, wherever it is - be it cable television, on social media, though a streaming platform - specifically for live sports is something the vast majority of people still strongly consider when setting up their media consumption plans.

[Knightro]

You don’t think there is value in small college towns seeing a influx of college game day tourists filling their hotels, shops, restaurants and bars 6 weeks a year?

Go visit Tallahassee during FSU-UF weekend versus FSU-CupcakeU and tell me the difference you see.

You have to schedule someone to play. Why not ensure all home games come with a packed town and $ spent throughout the community.

The big programs are already in the winners circle. They are getting the TV money in expansion regardless. But the TV money is not shared with local businesses. There are other factors to consider as well. Whoever gets invited to the dance should help boost other areas.

It's not a factor to the conference that is deciding who to pick when expanding, no. Not in the slightest.

It's great for the cities. There are several cities that frankly wouldn't exist if they didn't have a major college football program attached to them.

But that is entirely irrelevant when it comes to a conference deciding if they're going to expand or not.

[UCF]

Rutgers is proof performance on the field doesn’t matter to these leagues.

[MagicFan101]

First ... No one is talking about DVRs. That is already outdated. Wow ... just wow ...

We’re talking live streaming through mobile media giants like Amazon, Hulu, Facebook and so on as opposed to the cold and outdated fixed deals of cable channels like ESPN, Fox and others.

Disagree with me on the value of such games / sales. That’s fine. That’s what a discussion board is for. But when someone takes the time to explain one thing only to have to spun or completely misunderstood ... sad and frustrating.

You want to talk about missing the point...

"DVR proof" is nothing more than an expression. Call it cord-cutting proof. Call it whatever you want.

What I'm saying to you is that even if people who love sports don't feel like cable is valuable to their lives anymore, they either A. still keep it because it offers them the path of least resistance to watching live sports or B. they sign up specifically for sports based services like NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, NBA League Pass Broadband to still access those sports live or they pay for streaming services like Playstation Vue, Sling, Apple TV, etc in order to still access live sports.

The point is that very few people watch sporting events on a delay. If someone doesn't catch a game live, they typically don't watch it at all.

The idea of having access, wherever it is - be it cable television, on social media, though a streaming platform - specifically for live sports is something the vast majority of people still strongly consider when setting up their media consumption plans.

I watch all my LIVE sports on Hulu or Amazon. Combined, Amazon Prime + Hulu Live is far far far cheaper than the Time Warner / Spectrum deal I had before.

It is 100% live. I’m not sure what that the disconnect is here.

The only exception for me is NBA League Pass for Magic games as I live in Dallas and no one outside of Orlando cares enough for the Magic to get national games. But again, that is live online streaming and better yet, local cable in Dallas sure isn’t going to cover Orlando games.


Online streaming of LIVE events had all but already replaced traditional cable. In a few years it will be complete. Some of the major players of the past have already gotten out of this sinking ship.

[Knightro]

Rutgers is proof performance on the field doesn’t matter to these leagues.

The Rutgers and Maryland situation was obviously a good bit different than any hypothetical Big 12 expansion discussion.

That move was strictly a "get the Big Ten Network on as many cable providers as possible" by getting the Washington D.C., Baltimore and New York City TV markets. It was obvious from the jump that's all the Big Ten was looking to accomplish with that.

The Big 12 has different things to consider since they aren't currently looking to expand a standalone television network.

[EAS Law]

I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.

[Knightro]

I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.

Hey man, don't lump me into that

No one is happier about UCF's success than me.

I don't really care if they don't get invited to the playoffs or not. They're in the midst of a 19 game winning streak. I wanna see if they can go back-to-back undefeated seasons with a different head coach.

I'm loving this ride.

[MagicFan101]

I find it mildly interesting that despite one and a half years undefeated, every week, we are in here talking about something negative with respect to the UCF program, namely, why they aren’t favorites for the national championship and how they allegedly never will be, rather than the fact that they continue to win games. I think maybe the incessant need to find negativity with our teams has spilled over to this topic as well.

There are multiple topics here. Each can be treated differently.

The schedule is set in stone years in advance. The players and coaches of today have no say in that. All they can do is show up and compete. They have done that and more every week. Bravo to them. Everyone should be cheering for their accomplishments.

While the coaches and players focus on today, it is the job of the administration to focus on tomorrow and that is where I take issue. Reaching the big stage is out of the control of this current team and that is a shame. The administration should be working towards ensuring such an event does not happen the next time UCF is on a high note. Turning away previously unseen opportunities is the opposite of what they should be doing.


You can support the team and celebrate their accomplishments while simulanteously expecting more from leadership.

[gom]

What is all this pessimism? Beyond doubt if we are undefeated and win the division and conference, we're going to be in the playoff discussion. We probably won't get it but another New Year's bowl will be awesome. I froze in Atlanta but it was awesome to see downtown transformed into two days of Knight takeover. Most Auburn fans only really showed up the day of the game.

I'm stoked for another victory this weekend. East Carolina will play their hearts out but we really should beat them soundly.

Next week we'll unfortunately not have victory, because of the bye week. Wonder if we drop in the polls because we're not playing. It might happen.

[TreasureCoast]

What is all this pessimism? Beyond doubt if we are undefeated and win the division and conference, we're going to be in the playoff discussion. We probably won't get it but another New Year's bowl will be awesome. I froze in Atlanta but it was awesome to see downtown transformed into two days of Knight takeover. Most Auburn fans only really showed up the day of the game.

I'm stoked for another victory this weekend. East Carolina will play their hearts out but we really should beat them soundly.

Next week we'll unfortunately not have victory, because of the bye week. Wonder if we drop in the polls because we're not playing. It might happen.

No they won't. UCF's strength of schedule is pathetic. It isn't their fault they don't play anybody however.

[gom]

What is all this pessimism? Beyond doubt if we are undefeated and win the division and conference, we're going to be in the playoff discussion. We probably won't get it but another New Year's bowl will be awesome. I froze in Atlanta but it was awesome to see downtown transformed into two days of Knight takeover. Most Auburn fans only really showed up the day of the game.

I'm stoked for another victory this weekend. East Carolina will play their hearts out but we really should beat them soundly.

Next week we'll unfortunately not have victory, because of the bye week. Wonder if we drop in the polls because we're not playing. It might happen.

No they won't. UCF's strength of schedule is pathetic. It isn't their fault they don't play anybody however.

It's a narrative of judgment that is artificial yet taken as truth. The strength of schedule rankings are distorted by the same type of bias that affects our ranking in the polls. The American Conference teams are seriously underrated. That's a big reason why we surprised Auburn. They assumed we were not as good as they were because we are in a weaker conference.

Besides, undefeated is undefeated.

[UCF]

What is all this pessimism? Beyond doubt if we are undefeated and win the division and conference, we're going to be in the playoff discussion. We probably won't get it but another New Year's bowl will be awesome. I froze in Atlanta but it was awesome to see downtown transformed into two days of Knight takeover. Most Auburn fans only really showed up the day of the game.

I'm stoked for another victory this weekend. East Carolina will play their hearts out but we really should beat them soundly.

Next week we'll unfortunately not have victory, because of the bye week. Wonder if we drop in the polls because we're not playing. It might happen.

No they won't. UCF's strength of schedule is pathetic. It isn't their fault they don't play anybody however.

It's a narrative of judgment that is artificial yet taken as truth. The strength of schedule rankings are distorted by the same type of bias that affects our ranking in the polls. The American Conference teams are seriously underrated. That's a big reason why we surprised Auburn. They assumed we were not as good as they were because we are in a weaker conference.

Besides, undefeated is undefeated.

Exactly. They use Bias to justify their bias

The upper level teams in the American can beat any P5 team on a given Saturday.