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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#101 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:43 pm

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BowlRips wrote:Check out the latest edition of the Lowe Post Podcast featuring Zach Lowe, Howard Beck and Rachel Nichols.
At 27min mark, they bring up Durant and Rachel Nichols immediately brings up the Knicks as a viable option.
Seems to be in the tone of "informed speculation"
But reasons she cites are

- one upping Lebron on his move to LA
- KD's manager, Rich Kleiman, ties to the Knicks
- Durant not being satisfied in Golden State
- Warriors brass unsure if Durant wants to remain there and were even concerned he would leave this offseason
- Opportunity for KD to fix his image
- Return of the Mecca
- Scott Perry's ties to Durant when he was working for Sonics when KD was drafted there

She said if KD takes meetings then he will def meet the Knicks.
She put odds that KD as more likely that not that this could happen.
Lowe and Beck both agreed that you can't dismiss the idea it could happen

Just interesting stuff


I'll use this as another location to posit my KD to the Knicks theory. Or, more accurately, the reasons why KD might consider it.

Reasons to stay with the GSW
Rings, rings and more rings.
KD has two. Pencil him in for 3 next year. That ties him with LeBron, the player he'll be compared to when their careers are over. Not a direct comparison, but they'll sort of come up in the same breath, not unlike Magic/Bird
KD could then OPT IN, get a 4th and one up LeBron that way. IF one upping LeBron is important to him
KD could just re-sign, and pick up somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,6 rings and be remembered as, if not an original member, then an integral member of one of the iconic teams in NBA history. This is obviously the strongest reason to stay

Reasons KD might leave
Lebron "chased rings" right? Well, if LeBron was ONLY about rings, he would have stayed in Miami another few years and won another one or two. Lebron ensured he won a wing, stayed for another, then decided, in a VERY CALCULATED MOVE, to go back to Cleveland. That was very media savvy to change how he was currently viewed, but also how he'd be viewed when his career is over. To go back to the "home team" in a feel good story, deliver a championship, be a hero, no longer be a villain. And did he stay after? Nope. He went to LA to be on a "good" team, but perhaps not a championship team, but headed to a major media market and is basically positioning himself for post career life.

KD also left his "home team" and deliberately joined a team that was already a champion without him, so he could "fill in his resume, his career", with a championship. I believe both players, or Lebron, then KD, realized the kind of leverage and power they have, and used it to ensure they wouldn't go "ringless". Now, once one ring, or two, or three is out of the way, the question is what the next motivation. I think KD is VERY cognizant of the fact he's viewed a villain. Not quite A-Rod, but his brand went from "KD's a good guy" to "KD is kind of d*ck" and also "KD is a coattail rider". IF KD is satisfied having tied LeBron with 3 rings (and I think that's important), there is a very real chance he signs with the Knicks so he can be seen as "taking on the challenge of winning one as the lead guy" and also it sort of erases a lot of "KD is a front running ahole" from his brand. And that's just for evening signing on for a few years. If he wins a championship with the Knicks, then it's "he's the guy who ended the 46 year drought, he's a hero etc etc". And that would be a big deal for the post playing days KD legacy. And I really think LeBron and KD are wired to think this way.

It's a big if. Leaving a team that will be considered one of the top 4 in nba history is a big deal. But even LeBron showed his was wired not in an entirely "win as many rings as possible" and nothing else way. I think there is a strong chance KD is similar.




Lebron left Miami cuz he saw Wade n those injuries just getting worse, Bosh wasn’t enough, and Cleveland had a younger Kyrie and Wiggins who everyone and their mother knew was going to be traded for Kevin Love, who was like the best pf in the league at the time. Not because of anything else. Being that it was Cleveland was only a plus...look at him now in LA. Dude was thinking it would be him PG n Kawhi (which easily beats GS). He always tries to take the path of least resistance.


He could have jumped to a different team. It's a theory, but I still think he goes to Cleveland because he knows if he wins there, it totally transforms the narrative. I think he could have won another in Miami. And of course he doesn't go to Cleveland if they suck or are "ok", he's going when they are on the upswing and with a plan to contend - to force the GM to make moves. All I'm pointing out is it's part of a narrative where it's not about every last ring, there's a component to how LeBron is wired where he's very into managing his persona, and going back to Cleveland to undo some of his bad reputation/be the hero is something he does, and IF Durant is sort of wired the same way, then under that context there's a reason to see why he'd consider the Knicks, IF Durant feels they are already decent\on the cusp of being good, without him. There's also an assumption he's going to be ok with a 3rd ring only, instead of the opportunity to have 4-6 and be an integral member of an all time team. Which is a huge draw. But something in the way that LeBron and also Durant see themselves, the league, and the their place in the media opens the door to the possibility.

It's really just thinking out loud on the "why" of why he would consider the Knicks. If I'm thinking on the how or the likelihood, really - it's that he stays to move up pretty high on the all times rings list.
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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#102 » by spree8 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:44 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Before anyone takes what i say out of context i would be ecstatic with KD as a Knick BUT....As stupid as this is going to sound i prefer Kyrie to KD. KD will be 30+ next season and i dont think we would have the requisite pieces around him to win the title and i dont really want to see us trade away Frank and Knox for vets to go all in for 2-3 years right now. Kyrie will still be 27-28 next year and we can continue to grow with him. He was an mvp candidate last year before the injury and admittedly im a sucker for the hometown kid coming home... Also i think he fits our team slightly better. Basically i think Kyrie sets us up for more sustained success than KD would. Id be happy with either or both obviously though.



I get what you’re sayin, but why would we have to trade Frank n Knox if we got KD? Tatum n Brown looked just fine in the playoffs last year. Who’s to say we couldn’t get similar production from them 2 years from now in the 2020 playoffs alongside KD?

Durant is a far better player and much less injury prone than Kyrie. Durant is an east coast guy too, so I could def see him coming here. I heard he didn’t wanna play in Washington cuz it was too close to home (Baltimore), but NYC is close (not too close) and provides a huge market plus a chance to lead his own team to title for the first time.


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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#103 » by spree8 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:52 pm

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I'll use this as another location to posit my KD to the Knicks theory. Or, more accurately, the reasons why KD might consider it.

Reasons to stay with the GSW
Rings, rings and more rings.
KD has two. Pencil him in for 3 next year. That ties him with LeBron, the player he'll be compared to when their careers are over. Not a direct comparison, but they'll sort of come up in the same breath, not unlike Magic/Bird
KD could then OPT IN, get a 4th and one up LeBron that way. IF one upping LeBron is important to him
KD could just re-sign, and pick up somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,6 rings and be remembered as, if not an original member, then an integral member of one of the iconic teams in NBA history. This is obviously the strongest reason to stay

Reasons KD might leave
Lebron "chased rings" right? Well, if LeBron was ONLY about rings, he would have stayed in Miami another few years and won another one or two. Lebron ensured he won a wing, stayed for another, then decided, in a VERY CALCULATED MOVE, to go back to Cleveland. That was very media savvy to change how he was currently viewed, but also how he'd be viewed when his career is over. To go back to the "home team" in a feel good story, deliver a championship, be a hero, no longer be a villain. And did he stay after? Nope. He went to LA to be on a "good" team, but perhaps not a championship team, but headed to a major media market and is basically positioning himself for post career life.

KD also left his "home team" and deliberately joined a team that was already a champion without him, so he could "fill in his resume, his career", with a championship. I believe both players, or Lebron, then KD, realized the kind of leverage and power they have, and used it to ensure they wouldn't go "ringless". Now, once one ring, or two, or three is out of the way, the question is what the next motivation. I think KD is VERY cognizant of the fact he's viewed a villain. Not quite A-Rod, but his brand went from "KD's a good guy" to "KD is kind of d*ck" and also "KD is a coattail rider". IF KD is satisfied having tied LeBron with 3 rings (and I think that's important), there is a very real chance he signs with the Knicks so he can be seen as "taking on the challenge of winning one as the lead guy" and also it sort of erases a lot of "KD is a front running ahole" from his brand. And that's just for evening signing on for a few years. If he wins a championship with the Knicks, then it's "he's the guy who ended the 46 year drought, he's a hero etc etc". And that would be a big deal for the post playing days KD legacy. And I really think LeBron and KD are wired to think this way.

It's a big if. Leaving a team that will be considered one of the top 4 in nba history is a big deal. But even LeBron showed his was wired not in an entirely "win as many rings as possible" and nothing else way. I think there is a strong chance KD is similar.




Lebron left Miami cuz he saw Wade n those injuries just getting worse, Bosh wasn’t enough, and Cleveland had a younger Kyrie and Wiggins who everyone and their mother knew was going to be traded for Kevin Love, who was like the best pf in the league at the time. Not because of anything else. Being that it was Cleveland was only a plus...look at him now in LA. Dude was thinking it would be him PG n Kawhi (which easily beats GS). He always tries to take the path of least resistance.


He could have jumped to a different team. It's a theory, but I still think he goes to Cleveland because he knows if he wins there, it totally transforms the narrative. I think he could have won another in Miami. And of course he doesn't go to Cleveland if they suck or are "ok", he's going when they are on the upswing and with a plan to contend - to force the GM to make moves. All I'm pointing out is it's part of a narrative where it's not about every last ring, there's a component to how LeBron is wired where he's very into managing his persona, and going back to Cleveland to undo some of his bad reputation/be the hero is something he does, and IF Durant is sort of wired the same way, then under that context there's a reason to see why he'd consider the Knicks, IF Durant feels they are already decent\on the cusp of being good, without him. There's also an assumption he's going to be ok with a 3rd ring only, instead of the opportunity to have 4-6 and be an integral member of an all time team. Which is a huge draw. But something in the way that LeBron and also Durant see themselves, the league, and the their place in the media opens the door to the possibility.

It's really just thinking out loud on the "why" of why he would consider the Knicks. If I'm thinking on the how or the likelihood, really - it's that he stays to move up pretty high on the all times rings list.



Yea I totally agree about KD possibly wanting to do that, and I see what you mean about Lebron... him wanting to go look like a hero was def tied into it too... I was more focused on him running back to join a better team, but either way, the guy is a snake lol.
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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#104 » by blue and orange » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:50 am

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Perry and company were clear we will be looking to add a max player in 2019. They understand if winning a championship is the goal it would be extremely unlikely to beat the Superteams (who virtually all have added a max FA or 2 themselves) without doing so.


I get it but I have to err on the side of caution until a grade A FA signs with the Knicks I'm not buying it I have to assume this is all garbage until I see it.[/quote

This is more than just smoke and not the LeBron propaganda machine. Multiple, multiple sources reporting many FAs interested in joining the new culture here. Fiz one of the most liked guys in the league. Two potential stars in KP and KK. A GM that isnt forcing a triangle system. Foundation has been laid.

The chances we land a top guy in the offseason is pretty darn good.


I welcome it now what happens if no one wants to come here then what do you blow your wade a level B or C FA. Im just telling that I'm going into it with zero expectations, nothing will change my opinion until it actually happens its still all smoke to me until it happens, btw I do like what Scott Perry is doing btw and I'm a huge fan of Fiz.
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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#105 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:11 pm

More speculation on this subject.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24988629/zach-lowe-crazy-predictions-2018-19-nba-season

The past two years have taught us that predicting any NBA matter beneath "Warriors win the championship" is a fool's errand.

But predictions are fun! So here we go -- our last annual preview column: 37 random, crazy, and not-so-crazy predictions for the next 12 months.


Kevin Durant signs with the Knicks

I don't think Durant or the people closest to him know what he's going to do. The Warriors don't. They will pitch him on his comfort in the Bay Area; business connections there; and their sparking new arena -- the one for which Durant broke ceremonial ground.

I spent last season's Finals talking to everyone I could about Durant, trying to figure him out. The sense I got from the Warriors was that they found Durant unknowable -- and were afraid even much of last season he would leave. Surviving Houston in the conference finals cleared the atmosphere. On the flight home after Game 7, Durant plopped into the seat next to Bob Myers, Golden State's general manager, and declared, "I have never felt more a part of the team," Myers told me.

A two-year stint in Golden State would have seemed short given the melodrama surrounding Durant's exit from Oklahoma City. Three approaches LeBron-in-Miami territory. Win another ring, and Durant might feel he has accomplished what he set out to do. He's 30, at the height of his powers, free to choose his destination.

He's not going back to Oklahoma City. I'd be dumbfounded if he joined LeBron. He must know the Warriors will always be Curry's team. The social media slights will never stop as long as Durant is there. People who know Durant say part of him must crave the challenge of being the undisputed alpha dog and lead ball handler -- of putting up a 32-10-8 stat line. Some of those same people wonder if he is a little scared of that challenge.

A normal human would feel both of those things. But whoever revives the Knicks will become legend. They have a young co-star in Kristaps Porzingis who could take on more of the scoring burden as Durant ages.
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Re: Lowe Post Podcast: Rachel Nichols speculates that KD will sign with Knicks in 2019 

Post#106 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:19 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:More speculation on this subject.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24988629/zach-lowe-crazy-predictions-2018-19-nba-season

The past two years have taught us that predicting any NBA matter beneath "Warriors win the championship" is a fool's errand.

But predictions are fun! So here we go -- our last annual preview column: 37 random, crazy, and not-so-crazy predictions for the next 12 months.


Kevin Durant signs with the Knicks

I don't think Durant or the people closest to him know what he's going to do. The Warriors don't. They will pitch him on his comfort in the Bay Area; business connections there; and their sparking new arena -- the one for which Durant broke ceremonial ground.

I spent last season's Finals talking to everyone I could about Durant, trying to figure him out. The sense I got from the Warriors was that they found Durant unknowable -- and were afraid even much of last season he would leave. Surviving Houston in the conference finals cleared the atmosphere. On the flight home after Game 7, Durant plopped into the seat next to Bob Myers, Golden State's general manager, and declared, "I have never felt more a part of the team," Myers told me.

A two-year stint in Golden State would have seemed short given the melodrama surrounding Durant's exit from Oklahoma City. Three approaches LeBron-in-Miami territory. Win another ring, and Durant might feel he has accomplished what he set out to do. He's 30, at the height of his powers, free to choose his destination.

He's not going back to Oklahoma City. I'd be dumbfounded if he joined LeBron. He must know the Warriors will always be Curry's team. The social media slights will never stop as long as Durant is there. People who know Durant say part of him must crave the challenge of being the undisputed alpha dog and lead ball handler -- of putting up a 32-10-8 stat line. Some of those same people wonder if he is a little scared of that challenge.

A normal human would feel both of those things. But whoever revives the Knicks will become legend. They have a young co-star in Kristaps Porzingis who could take on more of the scoring burden as Durant ages.


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Post#107 » by TruthBeTold » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:44 pm

WHY WOULD KEVIN DURANT JOIN THE KNICKS IF HE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS EVERY YEAR??? :roll: :lol: :roll:
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Post#108 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:58 pm

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Post#109 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:03 pm

TBH, I have no reason to believe KD being a Knick is not a legit option for both him and for our front office.

KD has won his ring with the best team already. His legacy would be greater winning another championship in NYC.

At the very least, it would give him a good shot to go up against GS in the Finals since he could tip the Knicks chances in the East. And that would be an amazing story line. And KD knows it.

All the talk about him being soft is BS. If he wants NYC and the potential glory of winning here he is not going to worry about the pressure.
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Post#110 » by Jonathan starks » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:21 pm

I’ll believe it when I see it
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Post#111 » by dakomish23 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:32 pm

If you needed to undo the damage to your legacy because you joined the best team in the NBA in a long time, I can’t think of many better options than to try save this franchise.

Pretty much the only way I could see him coming here.
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Post#112 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:35 pm

TruthBeTold wrote:WHY WOULD KEVIN DURANT JOIN THE KNICKS IF HE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS EVERY YEAR??? :roll: :lol: :roll:


Read what I wrote above.

Sure, there's every reason to believe he wants to accumulate as many championships as possible.

Or, he might be satisfied with 3 (after this year) and taking a shot at bringing one to NYC, and changing the narrative about his career.

So, there's the scenario where he might consider the Knicks. Honestly, he'll probably want to accumulate as many championships as possible. Players tend to want to do that. What I, and others have posited is that there is a scenario that makes a certain kind of sense. But only if KD is wired that way and thinks that way. Does he? Who knows. Probably? Nah, probably not.
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Post#113 » by mpharris36 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:44 pm

TruthBeTold wrote:WHY WOULD KEVIN DURANT JOIN THE KNICKS IF HE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS EVERY YEAR??? :roll: :lol: :roll:


the argument can be made that one championship in NY from a legacy stand point would be greater than 3 more titles in GSW.

Assuming he already has 3 titles in GSW...whats the difference betwen 3 and 5 or 6 (he still will be cast as leaving OKC for the best team in the NBA). Even he just took the knicks to a finals I think it would be a greater accomplishment then racking up championships with such a heavy favorite.

The off the court stuff has also already been documented in this thread (father/business)
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Post#114 » by cgf » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:12 pm

TruthBeTold wrote:WHY WOULD KEVIN DURANT JOIN THE KNICKS IF HE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS EVERY YEAR??? :roll: :lol: :roll:


https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/10/12/17965926/kevin-durant-new-york-knicks
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Post#115 » by Sprewell4Three » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:17 pm

taj2133 wrote:I think the only way he comes here if the warriors lose and wants a challenge to gain back his respect if he wins a title with the knicks he will become a legend.


One title with the lowly Knicks will be more valuable then 3 Warrior championships.
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Post#116 » by mpharris36 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:22 pm

Jonathan starks wrote:I’ll believe it when I see it


oh of course...the %'s would be slim but I think there is a realistic reason to come here...otherwise all these reports would totally be shrugging it off as typical NY noise.
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Post#117 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:29 pm

He's probably not coming here but you never know. We just need to prepared with plans for if he doesnt sign here next year (or no superstars).
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Post#118 » by El Poochio » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:40 pm

If every member of this forum create 3 social media accounts and call KD a rat I think we can lure him
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Post#119 » by Sark » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:42 pm

Only way he would leave GS is if they lose this year, and the team has a falling out. No way he leaves a 3 peat.
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Post#120 » by PeoplesChamp » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:12 pm

As bad as we may feel like we need KD, spprts media needs this to be a story more.

They've had their final "Where will LeBron go?" story.

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