Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Ruzious]

Nothing on the Jodi Meeks blockbuster trade?

Another trade another 2nd round pick probably gone. So Wizardish.

Ehhh. Doubt it ever converts. Its simply the Bucks getting Meeks for free and we pay most his salary.

Good move. Salary + tax would of cost us over 10M for him this year.

Same thing will happen with Smith too, but probably at the deadline for cash flow purposes

Bucks are waiving him, so the Wiz must have given something to them for taking his contract.

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Nothing on the Jodi Meeks blockbuster trade?

Another trade another 2nd round pick probably gone. So Wizardish.

Ehhh. Doubt it ever converts. Its simply the Bucks getting Meeks for free and we pay most his salary....

No. The Bucks are going to waive Meeks once the trade clears. Our $$ pays his salary.

They have room under the tax to do this, whereas, obviously, we don't. Presumably the R2 pick is compensation for them doing this deal. I don't think they did it out of the goodness of their hearts, do you?

...Good move. Salary + tax would of cost us over 10M for him this year.

Same thing will happen with Smith too, but probably at the deadline for cash flow purposes

"Good move?" Hell no, this is not a "good move." A good move is to avoid paying

$7m & a R2 pick
for 1119 minutes
from Jodie Meeks.

My God, it's just unbelievable what a bunch of idiots run this franchise! Honestly, it boggles the mind.

[pcbothwel]

PIF. Relax. We are all well aware the crap situation EG has put us in.
Im taking the move as it stands. We pay 3M to save 10M.
Im grading the trade, not the Meeks acquisition as a whole.

Same concept as Nicholson trade. We got good value for the trade itself, but maddening we had to make it at all.

Im curious about the amount of cash and the 2nd. I assume 2022 2nd and 3M cash... hopefully its less, but we'll see.

[trast66]

Did not take a genius to know that was a terrible signing from the start, with the player option. Remember Dwight Howard has a player option as well for the 2nd year. I don't think will end any better.

The Meeks type of situation happens, but GMEG has had so many of these. The trading or sell off of draft picks to fix bad signings should be named after Ernie. Like "Bird Rights" "Stepien Rule" "The Gilbert Arenas Provision".

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Plus, you know what is worse?

This means 100% that they've convinced themselves that Austin Rivers can play. Where will the minutes go that would have gone to Meeks? To Austin Rivers -- count on it.

The only "good" thing about this is that it leaves us with only 13 players on the regular roster. Teams are required to have 14.

That means one of two things: 1) either a 2-way guy will be converted (Robinson or McRae), or 2) Ernie will sign someone -- either a veteran minimum player or an undrafted rookie (or maybe pick up Lavoy Allen's option).

If it's a 2-way, who is your $$ on -- Robinson or McRae?

I'm guessing it won't be Lavoy Allen, since he didn't play at all in pre-season.

If it's a new signing, It'll be an end of career time-server not a young player.

[Dat2U]

Plus, you know what is worse?

This means 100% that they've convinced themselves that Austin Rivers can play. Where will the minutes go that would have gone to Meeks? To Austin Rivers -- count on it.

The only "good" thing about this is that it leaves us with only 13 players on the regular roster. Teams are required to have 14.

That means one of two things: 1) either a 2-way guy will be converted (Robinson or McRae), or 2) Ernie will sign someone -- either a veteran minimum player or an undrafted rookie (or maybe pick up Lavoy Allen's option).

If it's a 2-way, who is your $$ on -- Robinson or McRae?

I'm guessing it won't be Lavoy Allen, since he didn't play at all in pre-season.

If it's a new signing, It'll be an end of career time-server not a young player.

You just posted a diatribe about the Wizards dumping Jodie Meeks.

Maybe it's time to take a deep breath and realize were actually talking about Jodie Meeks here.

[Ruzious]

I'm guessing the 2nd round pick is taking the top 55 (or 56?) restriction put on the 2020 pick Washington previously traded to Milwaukee.

[pcbothwel]

I'm guessing the 2nd round pick is taking the top 55 (or 56?) restriction put on the 2020 pick Washington previously traded to Milwaukee.

It is, I guess thats better than 2022 in some ways. 1) 2022 will include HS players. 2) We dont know how good we will be by then which could be a top 45 pick. I have no doubt we will be a top 10 team in 2020 if we so choose... I really dont care about picks in the 50's that much.

[dckingsfan]

PIF. Relax. We are all well aware the crap situation EG has put us in.
Im taking the move as it stands. We pay 3M to save 10M.
Im grading the trade, not the Meeks acquisition as a whole.

Same concept as Nicholson trade. We got good value for the trade itself, but maddening we had to make it at all.

Im curious about the amount of cash and the 2nd. I assume 2022 2nd and 3M cash... hopefully its less, but we'll see.

Bold - And that is the part that allows EG to survive.

Italic - I think that is how Ted must be look at these bonehead moves as well.

[dckingsfan]

PIF. Relax. We are all well aware the crap situation EG has put us in.
Im taking the move as it stands. We pay 3M to save 10M.
Im grading the trade, not the Meeks acquisition as a whole.

Same concept as Nicholson trade. We got good value for the trade itself, but maddening we had to make it at all.

Im curious about the amount of cash and the 2nd. I assume 2022 2nd and 3M cash... hopefully its less, but we'll see.

I don't really care about picks in the 50s

Bold - And that is the part that allows EG to survive.

Italic - I think that is how Ted must be look at these bonehead moves as well.

Bold Italic - Said Draymond Green.

[pcbothwel]

PIF. Relax. We are all well aware the crap situation EG has put us in.
Im taking the move as it stands. We pay 3M to save 10M.
Im grading the trade, not the Meeks acquisition as a whole.

Same concept as Nicholson trade. We got good value for the trade itself, but maddening we had to make it at all.

Im curious about the amount of cash and the 2nd. I assume 2022 2nd and 3M cash... hopefully its less, but we'll see.

I don't really care about picks in the 50s

Bold - And that is the part that allows EG to survive.

Italic - I think that is how Ted must be look at these bonehead moves as well.

Bold Italic - Said Draymond Green.

You're last part might be tongue in cheek, but you cant be serious. Fact is, the draft is only 60 picks. If I was given the 55th pick every year, I would gladly sell it most every year for 3M or more...easy.

If you have a good enough FO and good coaching staff, then you're a top candidate for UDFA. They want to play for a good team with a chance to play. Take a look at the last 10 picks of the draft every year (51-60) vs the UDFA for each of those years...
You probably end up in a wash.

I want to be clear, you cannot throw away 2nd round picks and expect to be successful. But with a 2 round draft, the value falls of very fast from pick 40 to 55.

[bsilver]

Due to injuries, the Spurs are desperate for a starting PG. Sato would be perfect for them, and surely he would love to go there. With all the no confidence he gets from Brooks he's unlikely to sign here again anyway. They'd probably be willing to at least give up a 1st round pick.
Unfortunately, I like Sato's game, and we're left without a backup PG. However, if Brooks is going to end up benching him anyway, like last year in the playoffs, maybe we should take advantage of the Spurs' situation.

[NatP4]

Larry Nance is making less than Mahinmi for his next 4 prime years (25-28)

Sigh. I’d trade Oubre and a 1st for him

[pcbothwel]

Due to injuries, the Spurs are desperate for a starting PG. Sato would be perfect for them, and surely he would love to go there. With all the no confidence he gets from Brooks he's unlikely to sign here again anyway. They'd probably be willing to at least give up a 1st round pick.
Unfortunately, I like Sato's game, and we're left without a backup PG. However, if Brooks is going to end up benching him anyway, like last year in the playoffs, maybe we should take advantage of the Spurs' situation.

I love Sato, but I would be open to trade anybody at the right price.
White & Poetl for Sato & Bryant would be fair.

Id then more inclined to trade our 1st and Mahinmi to the Kings for Koufos.
We get under the tax and Id bring back Oubre (about 12-15M per), Green (Min), and sign wing with MLE (Would love to get Evans or Lamb)

Wall / White
Beal / Lamb
Oubre / Brown
Otto / Green
Dwight / Poetl

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You just posted a diatribe about the Wizards dumping Jodie Meeks.

Maybe it's time to take a deep breath and realize were actually talking about Jodie Meeks here.

But... my diatribe wasn't about "dumping Jodie Meeks." It was about the umpteenth instance of Ernie flushing assets down the toilet. Again, Jodie Meeks gave us 1119 minutes for @7m & a R2 pick. That's worth criticizing, no?

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Note this:

"...the big winner (in the trade) is Meeks, who can’t serve a suspension while not on a roster and therefore can’t have his pay docked. If he signs again in the NBA, he’d still have to sit 19 games, but his lost salary would almost certainly be based on a minimum salary, not the higher amount he’s due this year."

Jodie just made himself an extra $850,000!

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It does appear that we are both giving & getting one or another kind of R2 pick, so at least some of my critique might have been premature.

All the same, Milwaukee can't be doing this as a favor to Ernie. I.e. we have to be giving them something.

[pcbothwel]

It does appear that we are both giving & getting one or another kind of R2 pick, so at least some of my critique might have been premature.

All the same, Milwaukee can't be doing this as a favor to Ernie. I.e. we have to be giving them something.

We are taking off the protection (Top 55) for our 2020 2nd, and they are giving us a top 55 protected pick 2020 (So... Nothing lol)

That is better than our 2022 pick though. HS players will eligible in 2021, and we dont know how good we will/wont be in 21/22.
I think we got a solid 2 year run with this group as it stands, so that pick will probably be 50-54.
I dont like it, but the value isnt bad considering the savings. Im curious as the amount we paid though, as we only get 5.5M per year in cash considerations to give and will probably need some to move Smith at the deadline.
If we only gave 2.7M, then Im good. Anything more is a bad deal

[Eli Babak]

Im curious as the amount we paid though, as we only get 5.5M per year in cash considerations to give and will probably need some to move Smith at the deadline.
If we only gave 2.7M, then Im good. Anything more is a bad deal

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You can argue it's a good trade but like few people have said Meeks (or Smith ) shouldn't have had a player option in the first place.

[pcbothwel]

Im curious as the amount we paid though, as we only get 5.5M per year in cash considerations to give and will probably need some to move Smith at the deadline.
If we only gave 2.7M, then Im good. Anything more is a bad deal

Read on Twitter

You can argue it's a good trade but like few people have said Meeks (or Smith ) shouldn't have had a player option in the first place.

Agreed. EG was an idiot for those and many other deals....
But this is a good deal. We essentially sold our 2020 2nd round pick (Probably around 50) for 1.3 - 1.5M, plus an additional 7M in savings.