Woj BOMB: Winslow 3 years 39 Million

[contract]

I think this gives you guys a ton of versatility. You got him locked in for 3 years on a reasonable salary if he progresses. If he just stays the same he is now, you can get rid of him in 2 years.

Hell if he doesn't progress this season, he would be a pretty easy guy to move in a trade this summer. A 23 year old versatile defender on essentially an expiring deal making 13 mil. That really wouldn't be that hard to move this summer.

I'm confident he's going to make big strides this year and next. In 2020-21, he'll be poised to tear the league apart, and we'll still have him locked in for another year. One can dream...

Didn’t you guys claim this the last 2 years?

Some did. But look, we don't get many lottery picks, so it's probably better to keep hoping for a breakout at some point. If his 3pt percentage holds up to double the volume, and he improves his free throw shooting, and he stops taking mid-range jumpers, I'll take it as a win and hope again next season. Playing with a greater sense of urgency would be a huge bonus.

[Youngray29]

Another role player cashes in. Miami running a charity team.

Blame our process for making him a role player. If we would commit to our young players they would be a lot better. But we decided elevate journeymen and borderline allstar players in order to struggle into the playoffs.

[Youngray29]

I think this gives you guys a ton of versatility. You got him locked in for 3 years on a reasonable salary if he progresses. If he just stays the same he is now, you can get rid of him in 2 years.

Hell if he doesn't progress this season, he would be a pretty easy guy to move in a trade this summer. A 23 year old versatile defender on essentially an expiring deal making 13 mil. That really wouldn't be that hard to move this summer.

I'm confident he's going to make big strides this year and next. In 2020-21, he'll be poised to tear the league apart, and we'll still have him locked in for another year. One can dream...

Didn’t you guys claim this the last 2 years?

I stand by this claim before I break the numbers down for you. Let's highlight a few details. 2 years ago his shot attempts went up but according to Spo he was playing injured. He missed a few games earlier into the season before he came back and tore his non-shooting shoulder. He played a grand total of 18 games not consecutively 22% of the season while injured. Is it really fair to hold that against him? But lets just say we did. Let's look at the numbers.


Year 1
29 MPG 6.4 PPG 5.2 RBs 1.5 AST 42% FG% 28% 3FG% on 6 Shot Attempts
Year 2 Injury Year
35 MPG 10.9 PPG 5.2 RBs 3.7 AST 36% FG% 20% 3FG% on 13 shot attempts
Year 3
25 MPG 7.8 PPG 5.4 RBs 2.2 AST 42% FG 38 3FG% on 7 Measley shot Attemps


If we scrapped his second year and take into account his minutes Per game were dropped I would say he improved everywhere from year 1 to 3. He even got better when he revamped his shot in the second half of the season. The year 2 injured delayed his growth.

If can stay healthy he's the opportunity to at least be Iggy pre GS. I wish he had his athletic ability but he if continues to shoot the 3 over 35% he will better in that area than iggy has been. He Just needs to get his FG up to about 45%.

[twix2500]

I'm confident he's going to make big strides this year and next. In 2020-21, he'll be poised to tear the league apart, and we'll still have him locked in for another year. One can dream...

Didn’t you guys claim this the last 2 years?

I stand by this claim before I break the numbers down for you. Let's highlight a few details. 2 years ago his shot attempts went up but according to Spo he was playing injured. He missed a few games earlier into the season before he came back and tore his non-shooting shoulder. He played a grand total of 18 games not consecutively 22% of the season while injured. Is it really fair to hold that against him? But lets just say we did. Let's look at the numbers.


Year 1
29 MPG 6.4 PPG 5.2 RBs 1.5 AST 42% FG% 28% 3FG% on 6 Shot Attempts
Year 2 Injury Year
35 MPG 10.9 PPG 5.2 RBs 3.7 AST 36% FG% 20% 3FG% on 13 shot attempts
Year 3
25 MPG 7.8 PPG 5.4 RBs 2.2 AST 42% FG 38 3FG% on 7 Measley shot Attemps


If we scrapped his second year and take into account his minutes Per game were dropped I would say he improved everywhere from year 1 to 3. He even got better when he revamped his shot in the second half of the season. The year 2 injured delayed his growth.

If can stay healthy he's the opportunity to at least be Iggy pre GS. I wish he had his athletic ability but he if continues to shoot the 3 over 35% he will better in that area than iggy has been. He Just needs to get his FG up to about 45%.

As your numbers show and I said this a few years ago. When he takes less attempts he is a better player. He has very minimal areas he is capable of scoring. He had to learn to just make wide open shots. He is still a very slow shooter. If he is rushed or defended closely he will easily miss. This goes for the 3pt line and in the paint. I'm fine with him at the three point line so far. Teams were absolutely disregarding to defend him at the 3pt line. Now he can at least make teams pay for having no respect for his shot. But he still has a real problem in the paint when it's crowded. Crotty mention this, Winslow has a strong body that can absorb contact he has to learn how to use it. And when he does and gets to the free throw line, he has to knock em down. Winslow has to understand he is not tall. At 6'5.5 he is not gonna shoot over people often. But he is wide and needs to learn how to create space with his shoulders like Artest use to do. Also and which is a problem with most of the Heat. Winslow doesn't do anything off the ball. He doesn't cut hard or well, and he jogs a lot on fastbreak opportunities. His scoring would jump up to 5 points without having to increase his shot attmepts, if he ran hard on fastbreak and back door cuts.

His fastbreak pts per game are horrible.

15-16_ 2.2 pts per game
16-17_ 0.7 pts per game
17-18_ 0.3 pts per game

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[contract]

Another role player cashes in. Miami running a charity team.

Blame our process for making him a role player. If we would commit to our young players they would be a lot better. But we decided elevate journeymen and borderline allstar players in order to struggle into the playoffs.

I don't know if they would be better or not, but we would have a better idea of what they are capable of. But yeah, stunting their growth to secure a low seed playoff spot just doesn't make any sense.

[Youngray29]

Didn’t you guys claim this the last 2 years?

I stand by this claim before I break the numbers down for you. Let's highlight a few details. 2 years ago his shot attempts went up but according to Spo he was playing injured. He missed a few games earlier into the season before he came back and tore his non-shooting shoulder. He played a grand total of 18 games not consecutively 22% of the season while injured. Is it really fair to hold that against him? But lets just say we did. Let's look at the numbers.


Year 1
29 MPG 6.4 PPG 5.2 RBs 1.5 AST 42% FG% 28% 3FG% on 6 Shot Attempts
Year 2 Injury Year
35 MPG 10.9 PPG 5.2 RBs 3.7 AST 36% FG% 20% 3FG% on 13 shot attempts
Year 3
25 MPG 7.8 PPG 5.4 RBs 2.2 AST 42% FG 38 3FG% on 7 Measley shot Attemps


If we scrapped his second year and take into account his minutes Per game were dropped I would say he improved everywhere from year 1 to 3. He even got better when he revamped his shot in the second half of the season. The year 2 injured delayed his growth.

If can stay healthy he's the opportunity to at least be Iggy pre GS. I wish he had his athletic ability but he if continues to shoot the 3 over 35% he will better in that area than iggy has been. He Just needs to get his FG up to about 45%.

As your numbers show and I said this a few years ago. When he takes less attempts he is a better player. He has very minimal areas he is capable of scoring. He had to learn to just make wide open shots. He is still a very slow shooter. If he is rushed or defended closely he will easily miss. This goes for the 3pt line and in the paint. I'm fine with him at the three point line so far. Teams were absolutely disregarding to defend him at the 3pt line. Now he can at least make teams pay for having no respect for his shot. But he still has a real problem in the paint when it's crowded. Crotty mention this, Winslow has a strong body that can absorb contact he has to learn how to use it. And when he does and gets to the free throw line, he has to knock em down. Winslow has to understand he is not tall. At 6'5.5 he is not gonna shoot over people often. But he is wide and needs to learn how to create space with his shoulders like Artest use to do. Also and which is a problem with most of the Heat. Winslow doesn't do anything off the ball. He doesn't cut hard or well, and he jogs a lot on fastbreak opportunities. His scoring would jump up to 5 points without having to increase his shot attmepts, if he ran hard on fastbreak and back door cuts.

His fastbreak pts per game are horrible.

15-16_ 2.2 pts per game
16-17_ 0.7 pts per game
17-18_ 0.3 pts per game

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9.

In this system he's a "better" player but in any other system he needs to take more shots to be better. He'll never be able to grow on 27 minutes and 7 shot attemtps. Even a better shooter like Booker can't grow on 7 shots, he needed 18-21 attempts.

Willing to bet his fast break points jump to about 4.4 this season considering he will have the ball in his hands more. The solution is give him the ball more with second unit. You saw a preview of this in the second half of last season. Now he just need to finish stronger and shoot his damn free throws at a percentage.

[Bishop45]

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Soon as my mans start getting to the line regularly and taking 3's off the dribble

[RJM]

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Soon as my mans start getting to the line regularly and taking 3's off the dribble

Jimmy Butler's mechanics make it easy for him to become a consistent jump shooter. That's not happening with Winslow. That has a significant impact on his offense, especially considering his sub-par finishing ability at the rim and limited lift.

[Bishop45]

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Soon as my mans start getting to the line regularly and taking 3's off the dribble

Jimmy Butler's mechanics make it easy for him to become a consistent jump shooter. That's not happening with Winslow. That has a significant impact on his offense, especially considering his sub-par finishing ability at the rim and limited lift.

Overarching point is that there's room for growth for a young wing in this league

[Shootit]

It's a good deal. If he shows improvement offensively, then it becomes a steal.
Hopefully, he can stay healthy for the entire year.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Winslow only has to be a young PJ Tucker for the contract to be good.

[twix2500]

Winslow only has to be a young PJ Tucker for the contract to be good.

He currently is PJ Tucker

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

Winslow only has to be a young PJ Tucker for the contract to be good.

He currently is PJ Tucker

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Winslow needs to shoot and make more 3s to be Tucker.

[KGdaBom]

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Soon as my mans start getting to the line regularly and taking 3's off the dribble

Jimmy Butler's mechanics make it easy for him to become a consistent jump shooter. That's not happening with Winslow. That has a significant impact on his offense, especially considering his sub-par finishing ability at the rim and limited lift.

Overarching point is that there's room for growth for a young wing in this league

Butler is the exception to the rule. Winslow is more likely the embodiment of the rule.

[Kobewade11]

So yea..first year of the extension doesnt even kick in until next season, I’d say the team got it right.

[oreon]

Didn’t you guys claim this the last 2 years?

I stand by this claim before I break the numbers down for you. Let's highlight a few details. 2 years ago his shot attempts went up but according to Spo he was playing injured. He missed a few games earlier into the season before he came back and tore his non-shooting shoulder. He played a grand total of 18 games not consecutively 22% of the season while injured. Is it really fair to hold that against him? But lets just say we did. Let's look at the numbers.


Year 1
29 MPG 6.4 PPG 5.2 RBs 1.5 AST 42% FG% 28% 3FG% on 6 Shot Attempts
Year 2 Injury Year
35 MPG 10.9 PPG 5.2 RBs 3.7 AST 36% FG% 20% 3FG% on 13 shot attempts
Year 3
25 MPG 7.8 PPG 5.4 RBs 2.2 AST 42% FG 38 3FG% on 7 Measley shot Attemps


If we scrapped his second year and take into account his minutes Per game were dropped I would say he improved everywhere from year 1 to 3. He even got better when he revamped his shot in the second half of the season. The year 2 injured delayed his growth.

If can stay healthy he's the opportunity to at least be Iggy pre GS. I wish he had his athletic ability but he if continues to shoot the 3 over 35% he will better in that area than iggy has been. He Just needs to get his FG up to about 45%.

As your numbers show and I said this a few years ago. When he takes less attempts he is a better player. He has very minimal areas he is capable of scoring. He had to learn to just make wide open shots. He is still a very slow shooter. If he is rushed or defended closely he will easily miss. This goes for the 3pt line and in the paint. I'm fine with him at the three point line so far. Teams were absolutely disregarding to defend him at the 3pt line. Now he can at least make teams pay for having no respect for his shot. But he still has a real problem in the paint when it's crowded. Crotty mention this, Winslow has a strong body that can absorb contact he has to learn how to use it. And when he does and gets to the free throw line, he has to knock em down. Winslow has to understand he is not tall. At 6'5.5 he is not gonna shoot over people often. But he is wide and needs to learn how to create space with his shoulders like Artest use to do. Also and which is a problem with most of the Heat. Winslow doesn't do anything off the ball. He doesn't cut hard or well, and he jogs a lot on fastbreak opportunities. His scoring would jump up to 5 points without having to increase his shot attmepts, if he ran hard on fastbreak and back door cuts.

His fastbreak pts per game are horrible.

15-16_ 2.2 pts per game
16-17_ 0.7 pts per game
17-18_ 0.3 pts per game

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That's is so on point. This is the part of his game he needs to figure out if he's going to make the jump to be an allstar. He needs to get to the rim more, get more freethrows and shoot at a higher %. As you said, he's a wide dude so he should be averaging more than 2 FTA a game. Dragic is an average or below average athlete but he's figured out how to use his body to get to the rim and create contact. Winslow needs to figure out the same. In the offseason, I hope his focus will be on finishing, creating contact and his freethrow shooting.

[Bishop45]

Jimmy Butler's mechanics make it easy for him to become a consistent jump shooter. That's not happening with Winslow. That has a significant impact on his offense, especially considering his sub-par finishing ability at the rim and limited lift.

Overarching point is that there's room for growth for a young wing in this league

Butler is the exception to the rule. Winslow is more likely the embodiment of the rule.

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[KGdaBom]

Overarching point is that there's room for growth for a young wing in this league

Butler is the exception to the rule. Winslow is more likely the embodiment of the rule.

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Congrats to Winslow for turning it around. I hope he can keep it up and be a very good player.

[gom]

I find this "new Winslow" vs "old Winslow" pretty funny. Winslow is the same player. He just got a great opportunity and rose to it, rather than just coming off the bench every night. I know his offense gets a lot of attention, but it's really his defense that is most important, especially for our team. And, look... He has to turn it up more. When we played the Lakers and Lebron blows by him, or Durant or whoever... well, that just can't happen. He still needs to improve his finishing at the rim, but it's a good start.

[RJM]

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Soon as my mans start getting to the line regularly and taking 3's off the dribble

Jimmy Butler's mechanics make it easy for him to become a consistent jump shooter. That's not happening with Winslow. That has a significant impact on his offense, especially considering his sub-par finishing ability at the rim and limited lift.

I've been very pleased with his play in recent months. On this, I am happy to be wrong.