Why is Kennard so hesitant on offense?

Kaboom3 · Post #1 » by **Kaboom3** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 8:11 pm

I just don't get it. Kennard to me does not seem to hunt his shot at all. Spends a great deal of his time standing in the corner and the Pistons don't really seem to run much for him either. Seriously starting to wonder if this guy will ever make a really big impact in the NBA in terms of scoring. You have Galloway who comes in to games and is on auto shot and then Luke who is arguably the best pure shooter on the team is invisible. Shoot the ball Luke!

The_Irony · Post #2 » by **The_Irony** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 8:55 pm

just like when a dog flinches when his new owner raises his hand because of a previously abusive owner..SVG did the same thing to Luke and Stanley.

gonna take some time

vege · Post #3 » by **vege** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:17 pm

That's the biggest issue with Kennard. He is too passive. If he is going to ever be a starter in the league, he gotta be a lot more agressive, else he will be an okish backup at best.

Kilo · Post #4 » by **Kilo** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:32 pm

Kennard wants to be a mindless cog, wants to be the coaches chess piece who will only shoot when the play is called for him. He's one player who won't benefit from Casey - Kennard needs the micromanager prick coach archetype. He chose Coach K, went back for a second helping of that and then was always "Thank you Coach Van Gundy, can I have another" whenever Stan yanked on his choke chain.

Kaboom3 · Post #5 » by **Kaboom3** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:38 pm

vege wrote:That's the biggest issue with Kennard. He is too passive. If he is going to ever be a starter in the league, he gotta be a lot more agressive, else he will be an okish backup at best.

Yep, agree with this and I just don't understand why. His defense is sub par for sure so if he's going to be a non-factor on offense then it's going to be hard to play him at all. I also do a little bit question how much the team likes Luke. I firmly believe that Reggie Jackson shuts him out on purpose and he had a pretty good number of open kickouts from Griffin and Drummond last night that they blew off as well.

thesack12 · Post #6 » by **thesack12** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:46 am

Most of this lies wholely within himself.

Simply put, Luke has a shooter's mentality not a scorer's mentality. Shooters are generally passive, scorers are generally aggressive.

Billl · Post #7 » by **Billl** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:24 pm

Mostly? He's just kinda slow. He can knock down open shots, but he's not blowing by anyone. At best, he gets them a bit off balance and the stops and/or spins for a jumper. Anyone defending him knows this, so they play him for the J. The only way he's getting open looks is off great ball motion.

Can he improve? Yeah, probably. There are lots of examples of slower guys that learn to use their body to make space. It's not an easy transition though.

Moses ShamMoses · Post #8 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:33 pm

He needs to become Kyle Korver or JJ Redick 2.0. Move without the ball, use screens to get open, and be able to quickly shoot from any spot.

afroxnas · Post #9 » by **afroxnas** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Kennard has a slow release. Unless he works on that he will always have problems getting his shot off and will never have a high usage rate

Spider156 · Post #10 » by **Spider156** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:39 pm

thesack12 wrote:Most of this lies wholely within himself.

Simply put, Luke has a shooter's mentality not a scorer's mentality. Shooters are generally passive, scorers are generally aggressive.

Like Jordan Clarkson has a scorer's mentality but he's a chucker, can't shoot well. Kennard will be fine, he shouldn't force anything to please fans. He's shooting high percentage shots when the shots come to him. That's all you can do to stay in the rotation. Stanley Johnson on the other hand will shoot himself out of the game cuz he sucks at it.

Spider156 · Post #11 » by **Spider156** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:40 pm

afroxnas wrote:Kennard has a slow release. Unless he works on that he will always have problems getting his shot off and will never have a high usage rate

He has one of the best releases I've ever seen. Not slow at all. Watch how Booker shoots. You'll notice they shoot similarly.

Spider156 · Post #12 » by **Spider156** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:41 pm

Moses ShamMoses wrote:He needs to become Kyle Korver or JJ Redick 2.0. Move without the ball, use screens to get open, and be able to quickly shoot from any spot.

Korver led the league 4 times in shooting % from 3 so he's not just any starter, he's one of the best of all time. Reddick was a superstar in college, completely owned it so his mentality was already developed coming into the NBA

vic · Post #13 » by **vic** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:25 pm

Luke is who he is. He can handle the ball, but not a blow-by Guy.

He’ll take some shots within the flow of the offense, but he’s mostly a jump shooter. Casey’s offense doesn’t even fit him because Kennard loves the midrange. He’s a crafty lefty like Ginobili but without the speed and athleticism and size.

Best case for him is a pg off the bench that handles the ball and shoots when he wants. Other than that he’s mostly catch & shoot at this point.

DBC10 · Post #14 » by **DBC10** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:02 pm

Spider156 wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:He needs to become Kyle Korver or JJ Redick 2.0. Move without the ball, use screens to get open, and be able to quickly shoot from any spot.

Korver led the league 4 times in shooting % from 3 so he's not just any starter, he's one of the best of all time. Reddick was a superstar in college, completely owned it so his mentality was already developed coming into the NBA

That and Korver and Redick are ridiculously conditioned and they are actually low-key really fast and know their "routes" so to speak.

BadMofoPimp · Post #15 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:21 pm

DBC10 wrote:
Spider156 wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:He needs to become Kyle Korver or JJ Redick 2.0. Move without the ball, use screens to get open, and be able to quickly shoot from any spot.

Korver led the league 4 times in shooting % from 3 so he's not just any starter, he's one of the best of all time. Reddick was a superstar in college, completely owned it so his mentality was already developed coming into the NBA

That and Korver and Redick are ridiculously conditioned and they are actually low-key really fast and know their "routes" so to speak.

I remember going into the Magic locker room when Dwight was playing in Orlando and on the board it showed Reddick as the strongest person on the team per their mass. I still may have that pic somewhere I took of the board.

I got it still. At the top for 2009

Uncle Mxy · Post #16 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:34 pm

Which one is rookie Redick, Korver, and Kennard?

41% FG, 38% 3P, 6ppg
44% FG, 41% 3P, 7ppg
35% FG, 39% 3P, 4ppg

detroitKG · Post #17 » by **detroitKG** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:10 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:Which one is rookie Redick, Korver, and Kennard?

41% FG, 38% 3P, 6ppg
44% FG, 41% 3P, 7ppg
35% FG, 39% 3P, 4ppg

The 2nd one if I'm not mistaken!?

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Uncle Mxy · Post #18 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:51 pm

My point is that it took awhile for Redick and Korver to become greater and somewhat less one-dimensional. If they're your benchmarks, Kennard's doing just fine thus far.

7r5ur · Post #19 » by **7r5ur** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:01 am

Seems to be a combination of him being afraid to make mistakes and the coach/vets not really having an interest in getting him involved beyond being a spot-up guy.

Not having the summer league to see him running the show a bit more was a huge hit to his season IMO.

thesack12 · Post #20 » by **thesack12** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:20 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:Which one is rookie Redick, Korver, and Kennard?

41% FG, 38% 3P, 6ppg
44% FG, 41% 3P, 7ppg
35% FG, 39% 3P, 4ppg

Uncle Mxy wrote:My point is that it took awhile for Redick and Korver to become greater and somewhat less one-dimensional. If they're your benchmarks, Kennard's doing just fine thus far.

In their rookie years:

JJ Redick played in 42 games averaging 14.8 MPG for a total of 622 minutes
Luke Kennard played in 73 games averaging 20.0 MPG for a total of 1463 minutes
Kyle Korver played in 74 games averaging 11.9 MPG for a total of 882 minutes

Considering the HUGE disparity in minutes among the three, Luke's production isn't exactly a shining result....

In evaluating whether or not Luke has big upside as a scorer or not, one thing that jumps out to me is the fact that he only had 76 total FT attempts in 73 games played. I just don't see him having the athleticism or mentality to be a high level scorer in this league. He can be a very good shooter however.