Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[queridiculo]

Would you mind highlighting the points you are aware of regarding the GA voter suppression? A few bullet points would be great as I've heard different things, but only long winded articles I'd rather not spend too much time reading.

Is it really that hard to inform yourself...

[daoneandonly]

It is fair to say that Rachel Maddow is left-wing. However that doesn't mean what she says/presents in untrue.

Where her political orientation comes into play is the topics that she chooses. The voter suppression in GA is an issue of great concern to Democrats. She has covered it extensively recently, even the skeptic in me is pretty convinced what she is presenting is factual(and very unfortunate). She may speculate some on motives, but there hasn't been any actions by Brian Kemp that would indicate his motives are anything other than partisan.

This is vastly different than Fox&Friends/Hannity/Ingraham parroting Trump talking points whether they are true or not.

Would you mind highlighting the points you are aware of regarding the GA voter suppression? A few bullet points would be great as I've heard different things, but only long winded articles I'd rather not spend too much time reading.

So you don't know what Maddow is presenting, but you know it is wrong?

I don't pay any attention to her, she's blanatnatly biased, which is why I never post anything from foxnews here, because they are the same. I like people who report without any bias, if you're going to be a political reporter, that should be your stance imo

[daoneandonly]

Would you mind highlighting the points you are aware of regarding the GA voter suppression? A few bullet points would be great as I've heard different things, but only long winded articles I'd rather not spend too much time reading.

Is it really that hard to inform yourself...

Just tyring to make conversation, geez

If I can be directed to a non left (and non right) wing take on it, I'd be glad to read up on it. But there's a lot of BS when it comes to supposed voter suppression, i.e. the left's insistence that a person should not have to show their ID to vote. So I want to vote but I can't show you a photo ID that proves who I say I am, makes zero sense.

[verbal8]

A major issue in GA is "Exact Name Match"

Thousands of registrations are being held up due to everything not being 100% matches with other records
GA is roughly 35% minority
Impacted registrations are 70% minority
This rule has been in a long court battle

Other issues:
- A bus was stopped full of Minorities being taken to vote
https://www.newsweek.com/40-black-senior-citizens-told-get-bus-taking-them-vote-it-was-intimidation-1173940
- A disproportionate level of absentee ballots are rejected in Gwinnett County(1/3 of all rejections)
https://wkow.com/national-news-from-the-associated-press/2018/10/16/georgia-officials-sued-over-rejected-absentee-ballots/

Also are you aware of who is the Secretary of State in GA?

[daoneandonly]

A major issue in GA is "Exact Name Match"

Thousands of registrations are being held up due to everything not being 100% matches with other records
GA is roughly 35% minority
Impacted registrations are 70% minority
This rule has been in a long court battle

Other issues:
- A bus was stopped full of Minorities being taken to vote
https://www.newsweek.com/40-black-senior-citizens-told-get-bus-taking-them-vote-it-was-intimidation-1173940
- A disproportionate level of absentee ballots are rejected in Gwinnett County(1/3 of all rejections)
https://wkow.com/national-news-from-the-associated-press/2018/10/16/georgia-officials-sued-over-rejected-absentee-ballots/

Also are you aware of who is the Secretary of State in GA?

I will read up on these, and yes I'm aware of who the SoS is and it's beyond a conflict of interest to say the least

[queridiculo]

A major issue in GA is "Exact Name Match"

Thousands of registrations are being held up due to everything not being 100% matches with other records
GA is roughly 35% minority
Impacted registrations are 70% minority
This rule has been in a long court battle

Other issues:
- A bus was stopped full of Minorities being taken to vote
https://www.newsweek.com/40-black-senior-citizens-told-get-bus-taking-them-vote-it-was-intimidation-1173940
- A disproportionate level of absentee ballots are rejected in Gwinnett County(1/3 of all rejections)
https://wkow.com/national-news-from-the-associated-press/2018/10/16/georgia-officials-sued-over-rejected-absentee-ballots/

Also are you aware of who is the Secretary of State in GA?

Let's not forget the countless attempts to close polling stations under the guise of saving tax payers money.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/641201292/this-georgia-county-may-close-all-but-two-polling-places

https://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voting-precincts-closed-across-georgia-since-election-oversight-lifted/bBkHxptlim0Gp9pKu7dfrN/

[daoneandonly]

A major issue in GA is "Exact Name Match"

Thousands of registrations are being held up due to everything not being 100% matches with other records
GA is roughly 35% minority
Impacted registrations are 70% minority
This rule has been in a long court battle

Other issues:
- A bus was stopped full of Minorities being taken to vote
https://www.newsweek.com/40-black-senior-citizens-told-get-bus-taking-them-vote-it-was-intimidation-1173940
- A disproportionate level of absentee ballots are rejected in Gwinnett County(1/3 of all rejections)
https://wkow.com/national-news-from-the-associated-press/2018/10/16/georgia-officials-sued-over-rejected-absentee-ballots/

Also are you aware of who is the Secretary of State in GA?

The absentee ballot thing definitely sounds fishy and simply not cool. I could likely be convinced of the same regarding the bus issue, perhaps I missed it, but I think the financing of the center and subsequently the bus that was to take them there, can come into play. if it is a completely independent entity, what right did the government have to intervene and stop it? None. However if its funded by them, then I can see an argument for people being up in arms saying I'm essentially helping pay for people to vote contrary to things I believe. I couldnt quite make it out if the article did indeed reference it.

As it relates to the 100% match, while it is troubling how the good majority of those impacted are minorities, like very discouraging, I think every measure should be taken to ensure a person voting is who they say they are, and is properly registered. I don't think you can just look the other way in matters like this, like a bank wouldn't if something looks off or not in alignment with a person trying to cash a check or withdraw money from an account

[verbal8]

As it relates to the 100% match, while it is troubling how the good majority of those impacted are minorities, like very discouraging, I think every measure should be taken to ensure a person voting is who they say they are, and is properly registered. I don't think you can just look the other way in matters like this, like a bank wouldn't if something looks off or not in alignment with a person trying to cash a check or withdraw money from an account

There is a big difference on risk/reward for bad checks vs. individual voter fraud.

With a bad check the reward is 100s of dollars. The risk for a first time offender is relatively minor.

For voting the reward is minor(1 vote for your preferred candidate(s)) and the risk is major - serious felony.

If innocent until proven guilty applies to the SCOTUS, shouldn't it apply in the voting booth?

[dckingsfan]

... probably interferes with their social life too much. But sure, we'll continue to pay for them to go to PP for their health concerns and take a bigger hit on our employer funded health insurance for the Dems to have more affordable coverage through ACA

So, that's your take. All these women having abortions fit into a nice little place. It is just too much on their social life and they are all sucking the system dry.

I just can't figure out why women don't flock to this point of view?

[dckingsfan]

BTW, we still have BOTH a spending and tax receipt problem.

The spending problem is primarily one of not tackling the cost drivers of healthcare - notice the Rs aren't talking about that... and receipts should be closer to 20% of GDP if we ever want to balance the budget. This group hasn't done anything to make the government more sustainable - as an independent, I will be voting a straight D ticket to balance out the stupidity of Trump.

[daoneandonly]

As it relates to the 100% match, while it is troubling how the good majority of those impacted are minorities, like very discouraging, I think every measure should be taken to ensure a person voting is who they say they are, and is properly registered. I don't think you can just look the other way in matters like this, like a bank wouldn't if something looks off or not in alignment with a person trying to cash a check or withdraw money from an account

There is a big difference on risk/reward for bad checks vs. individual voter fraud.

With a bad check the reward is 100s of dollars. The risk for a first time offender is relatively minor.

For voting the reward is minor(1 vote for your preferred candidate(s)) and the risk is major - serious felony.

If innocent until proven guilty applies to the SCOTUS, shouldn't it apply in the voting booth?

But it should not even have to get to that point of innocent or guilty, just prove who you are and its oh so simple. More in line with the showing ID to vote mandate we should have in place. I was outraged the first time I voted and all I needed to confirm about me were little facts many ppl could easily know about me

[daoneandonly]

... probably interferes with their social life too much. But sure, we'll continue to pay for them to go to PP for their health concerns and take a bigger hit on our employer funded health insurance for the Dems to have more affordable coverage through ACA

So, that's your take. All these women having abortions fit into a nice little place. It is just too much on their social life and they are all sucking the system dry.

I just can't figure out why women don't flock to this point of view?

Perhaps not the sucking system dry, though there is enough of that segment to call out

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

[dckingsfan]

... probably interferes with their social life too much. But sure, we'll continue to pay for them to go to PP for their health concerns and take a bigger hit on our employer funded health insurance for the Dems to have more affordable coverage through ACA

So, that's your take. All these women having abortions fit into a nice little place. It is just too much on their social life and they are all sucking the system dry.
I just can't figure out why women don't flock to this point of view?

Perhaps not the sucking system dry, though there is enough of that segment to call out

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

You have women pigeonholed. Again - the obligation for those 9 "friggin" months comes out of their lives not yours.

But I guess that is an obligation that you are happy to bestow upon them.

This reminds me of a business engagement I was in. I was running the US operations - the CEO was in Europe. For cash flow reasons, he decided that he wouldn't pay some US corporate taxes. As the officer of the US subsidiary I pointed out that act could send me to jail. His response, "well, that is a risk I am willing to take".

And therein lies the rub - it is a risk you are willing to make (but of course - you aren't taking the risk).

From this - it should be obvious to you why a majority of women don't agree with you...

[I_Like_Dirt]

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

Thank goodness you're here to explain how simple of a problem this really is and how simply it can be resolved. Adoptions and foster care? Why didn't anyone else thing of that!





Wait! All those pregnancies early? I wonder how many abortions are a result of all of that. You know what! You've convinced me. Let's forget all this banning abortion stuff and take some time and fix the foster care system! I hear you have an added $200 every paycheck from some recent tax cuts that's burning a hole in your pocket.

As for your quote about how they "did an act" and it's "9 friggin months," for one, how about you prove they did an act without any sense of coercion involved whatsoever. Why are we presuming guilty and forcing them to prove their innocence? Why are we disproportionately placing the costs involved on them? And how on earth did you come to the "9 friggin months" number? I'm guessing because you're aware that's roughly the incubation time for a baby. But the medical fallout, social stigma, and potential career damage as a result of missing time at work as well as the social stigma are definitely not over in 9 months. For the male who was far more likely to have "done an act" without any coercion, the consequences are largely nonexistent.

[stilldropin20]

BTW, we still have BOTH a spending and tax receipt problem.

The spending problem is primarily one of not tackling the cost drivers of healthcare - notice the Rs aren't talking about that... and receipts should be closer to 20% of GDP if we ever want to balance the budget. This group hasn't done anything to make the government more sustainable - as an independent, I will be voting a straight D ticket to balance out the stupidity of Trump.

so we cut taxers and increased federal revenue?? Like i said we were going to do for the past 10 months!!

I'm going to win the bet BTW...i told you we would increase revenue in FY 2018 due to repatriation of funds. Not sure what i win but i'm going to win!!

face it...the trump tax plan is working.

now to you point...spending is up. We are rebuilding the military after neglecting it during the entire obama administration who cut military spending bigly. Our stuff is old. Thanks Obama. Someone had to rebuild it. May as well be Trump, Goat president.

Today Trump announced 5% cuts in spending across the board. Each secretary to cut spending 5%...that will take care of spending.

speaking of spending...liberals are causing local costs to skyrocket! Local police departments are over hiring right now because police wont answer calls by themselves or with one partner. They want 5-6 teams of police before they respond. because one or 2 police officers will be overwhelmed and feel threatened and might over react and shoot a guy with a knife or a guy reaching for their gun. With 8-10 officers on sight, perps will resist less. Schools are hiring more and more armed guards. and putting in metal detectors.

liberals are doing all the marching. and leaving all the trash behind. antifa and BLM are destroying property at many "rallies."

then the "good liberals" across the US are crying wolf to ask for more protection...from trump supporters...who are pretty much a docile group. following video demonstrates how liberals are destroying america by making ethings like "safety" much more expensive. This is how your tuition costs rise.

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[gtn130]

You can keep spewing non existent human all you like, if that's your excuse for supporting decimating a child with a scapal, that's you. I don't subscribe to that theory, the women you are so passionately defending killed their child because they did not want to bear the responsibility of carrying them for 9 moths, probably interferes with their social life too much. But sure, we'll continue to pay for them to go to PP for their health concerns and take a bigger hit on our employer funded health insurance for the Dems to have more affordable coverage through ACA

Reality doesn't exist through the lens of Fox News, grandpa. College liberals murdering their babies cause they're lazy socialist takers is a figment of your imagination. Tucker Carlson is lying to you and riling you up so you'll vote R.

Maybe just have a beer and chill out and watch the game instead of getting into politics. It's not for you and your life is fine. This stuff is complicated and voting is a huge pain when your vote doesn't really mean much anyway. No need to spend the energy and Trump is MAGAing anyway so you're good. Just enjoy that beer and root for the home team

[daoneandonly]

So, that's your take. All these women having abortions fit into a nice little place. It is just too much on their social life and they are all sucking the system dry.
I just can't figure out why women don't flock to this point of view?

Perhaps not the sucking system dry, though there is enough of that segment to call out

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

You have women pigeonholed. Again - the obligation for those 9 "friggin" months comes out of their lives not yours.

But I guess that is an obligation that you are happy to bestow upon them.

This reminds me of a business engagement I was in. I was running the US operations - the CEO was in Europe. For cash flow reasons, he decided that he wouldn't pay some US corporate taxes. As the officer of the US subsidiary I pointed out that act could send me to jail. His response, "well, that is a risk I am willing to take".

And therein lies the rub - it is a risk you are willing to make (but of course - you aren't taking the risk).

From this - it should be obvious to you why a majority of women don't agree with you...

And guess what's also not my worry, my body, my circumstance? People who can't afford health insurance, on welfare, heck even public education, yet I have to help fund all those things, so your argument is futile. it's the world we live in until some legislation passes where everyone is responsible for their own shiz, then yeah, we can stay out of other people's lives & decisions.

And I'm okay funding many of those, because some people were dealt a bad hand and need a little help, somepeople need to be looked out for, like babies, don't see that argument with healthy women

[daoneandonly]

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

Thank goodness you're here to explain how simple of a problem this really is and how simply it can be resolved. Adoptions and foster care? Why didn't anyone else thing of that!





Wait! All those pregnancies early? I wonder how many abortions are a result of all of that. You know what! You've convinced me. Let's forget all this banning abortion stuff and take some time and fix the foster care system! I hear you have an added $200 every paycheck from some recent tax cuts that's burning a hole in your pocket.

As for your quote about how they "did an act" and it's "9 friggin months," for one, how about you prove they did an act without any sense of coercion involved whatsoever. Why are we presuming guilty and forcing them to prove their innocence? Why are we disproportionately placing the costs involved on them? And how on earth did you come to the "9 friggin months" number? I'm guessing because you're aware that's roughly the incubation time for a baby. But the medical fallout, social stigma, and potential career damage as a result of missing time at work as well as the social stigma are definitely not over in 9 months. For the male who was far more likely to have "done an act" without any coercion, the consequences are largely nonexistent.

We know where you stand, conservative men are evil, women can do no wrong. You pretty much proved that when the discussion about Warren's ancestry was happening and you somehow brought up and without hesitation defended a woman committing adultery being shamed.

[daoneandonly]

You can keep spewing non existent human all you like, if that's your excuse for supporting decimating a child with a scapal, that's you. I don't subscribe to that theory, the women you are so passionately defending killed their child because they did not want to bear the responsibility of carrying them for 9 moths, probably interferes with their social life too much. But sure, we'll continue to pay for them to go to PP for their health concerns and take a bigger hit on our employer funded health insurance for the Dems to have more affordable coverage through ACA

Reality doesn't exist through the lens of Fox News, grandpa. College liberals murdering their babies cause they're lazy socialist takers is a figment of your imagination. Tucker Carlson is lying to you and riling you up so you'll vote R.

Maybe just have a beer and chill out and watch the game instead of getting into politics. It's not for you and your life is fine. This stuff is complicated and voting is a huge pain when your vote doesn't really mean much anyway. No need to spend the energy and Trump is MAGAing anyway so you're good. Just enjoy that beer and root for the home team

You don't have to be an "R" or watch Foxnews to have a conscience and care about the well being of a child. The #1 reason for abortions is an accidental pregnancy, that's fact. Those other reasons, mother/baby life in danger, rape, those are valid reasons for one to get an abortion, they had no say in the hand they were dealt. But the whoopsie, yeah Trump actually did get it right even though he quickly took it back, it is a crime.

[stilldropin20]

The social life, yeah sure, you did an act to get pregnant, you have an obligation to see that child has life. There are things like adoption that's readily available, so no there's no being responsible for 18 years, it';s 9 months. 9 friggin months, but no, kill the child and make my life easier.

Thank goodness you're here to explain how simple of a problem this really is and how simply it can be resolved. Adoptions and foster care? Why didn't anyone else thing of that!


Wait! All those pregnancies early? I wonder how many abortions are a result of all of that. You know what! You've convinced me. Let's forget all this banning abortion stuff and take some time and fix the foster care system! I hear you have an added $200 every paycheck from some recent tax cuts that's burning a hole in your pocket.

As for your quote about how they "did an act" and it's "9 friggin months," for one, how about you prove they did an act without any sense of coercion involved whatsoever. Why are we presuming guilty and forcing them to prove their innocence? Why are we disproportionately placing the costs involved on them? And how on earth did you come to the "9 friggin months" number? I'm guessing because you're aware that's roughly the incubation time for a baby. But the medical fallout, social stigma, and potential career damage as a result of missing time at work as well as the social stigma are definitely not over in 9 months. For the male who was far more likely to have "done an act" without any coercion, the consequences are largely nonexistent.

adoption reform would go a long way to fix these problems in our adoption system. I dont know this topic well at all and if you are informed then i would gladly listen....but your problems listed above have unknown origins. Here are some ideas:

1. No foreign adoptions until our own american babies are adopted first. How many foreign babies are adopted each year.
2. better foster care. better vetting. unfortunately...weirdos that want to hurt children often work with children...so children in the system are often traumatized and difficult which scares away potential adoptive parents. fix that. redirect abortion money to adoptive services instead. Money and good legislation with good oversight can fix almost anything.
3. charge money to adopt. If millionaires like Angelina jolie and laura ingraham want to adopt babies, charge them $500K each baby. Use that money to help other families that adopt older children that are older and less desired.


I'm willing to bet that most of the children in foster care come from troubled parents. drug addicts, felons, criminals in general, or otherwise abusive parents etc. <--poor desperate people where the likelihood of them having a child is tied to the monthly check that they will receive each month. As induveca pointed outed...many young poor women look at as having a baby as a means to maybe keep a buy around and pay the the bills. then she has a few more children and that check gets larger. But...

If you get rid of the incentives. get rid of the "free stuff" like section 8 housing and a monthly check and food stamps just for having children, many many many women will choose not to have a child. Use condoms, Use other forms of birth control. In many cases the safety net program has simply become a life style itself has exacerbated the problem and the spending.

Look, i dont want children to have children. I dont want a 15,16,17,18 year olds having children. In the US the chances of that teenager being ready to be a mom or dad is very low. I prefer those teenagers go to college. So if we remove the "free stuff" altogether most wont have children. Instead of "free stuff" just for having a child, give employers tax incentives to hire moms and provide day care so long as mom works. I can support and want to help those that help themselves.

But if mom and dad dont or wont work? And buy drugs with safety net money? Not good. For anyone. Those types of "parents need their funds removed and need to be shamed by the entire community into changing. And i fear its "parents" like this that have created the adoption crisis you describe above.