10/16 | G1: Oklahoma City Thunder at Golden State Warriors - 9:30 CST

[bondom34]

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

How many more games do you think they win with diallo playing over ferguson?

Maybe a couple, and you develop him more. I've been very clear that I don't think Ferguson ever becomes an NBA player from day 1.

[ThunderBolt]

Ferguson did put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket under the four minute mark. He was cut off and ended up passing it. He also had a nice assist at the 1:27 mark, followed by a tap out rebound.

It sure seems that a lot of his misses from three are quite a ways off. One of his threes last night hit the back of the rim and almost banked in. It’s not uncommon that his corner threes go off the front of the rim. He looks much closer to jerami grant than Alexis Abrines as a shooter.

[Thundershock88]

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

I'm still not understanding this. You're acting like he was a lottery pick. Ferguson was a late round pick. If he isn't ready to compete now, you play the kid that is. Ferguson doesn't have much trade value at this point anyways.

[spearsy23]

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1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

How many more games do you think they win with diallo playing over ferguson?

Maybe a couple, and you develop him more. I've been very clear that I don't think Ferguson ever becomes an NBA player from day 1.

You think the difference between diallo and Ferguson will be two games? That's a huge gap, that's bigger than the difference between Russ and jrue holiday.

If anyone is advocating purely for best chance to win then you need to play abrines and TLC and see where they take you.

[bondom34]

How many more games do you think they win with diallo playing over ferguson?

Maybe a couple, and you develop him more. I've been very clear that I don't think Ferguson ever becomes an NBA player from day 1.

You think the difference between diallo and Ferguson will be two games? That's a huge gap, that's bigger than the difference between Russ and jrue holiday.

If anyone is advocating purely for best chance to win then you need to play abrines and TLC and see where they take you.

I'm not really sold on Abrines being much either. And the difference isn't so much 2 games, but the few points difference in those games. But still I like his potential better and what he's shown.

[slick_watts]

I'm still not understanding this. You're acting like he was a lottery pick. Ferguson was a late round pick. If he isn't ready to compete now, you play the kid that is. Ferguson doesn't have much trade value at this point anyways.

i'm acting like ferguson was acquired using a pick the thunder elected not to use in a trade, and that they have invested a lot of confidence and time into his development so far. they are going to face challenging cap ramifications in the coming years and any chance that terrance ferguson could provide surplus value needs to be pursued at this point. benching him immediately or one game into the season for diallo kills all of that, essentially, and there's no reason to.

[getrichordie]

I'm still not understanding this. You're acting like he was a lottery pick. Ferguson was a late round pick. If he isn't ready to compete now, you play the kid that is. Ferguson doesn't have much trade value at this point anyways.

i'm acting like ferguson was acquired using a pick the thunder elected not to use in a trade, and that they have invested a lot of confidence and time into his development so far. they are going to face challenging cap ramifications in the coming years and any chance that terrance ferguson could provide surplus value needs to be pursued at this point. benching him immediately or one game into the season for diallo kills all of that, essentially, and there's no reason to.

I have to agree here. The difference between Ferguson’s impact and Diallo’s impact isn’t that great. I’d rather play Ferguson and see what he can do in the 1st part of the season (before Roberson) comes back and then make an informed decision as to whether or not to trade him. After all, things (fit) are going to look much different once Westbrook returns.

EDIT: Also, I’ve been outspoken about Ferguson’s inability to penetrate due to a lack of a handle and also his lack of size. I’m a big believer in Diallo. He has all the tools and passes the eye test for me. Ferguson does not.


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[Pillendreher]

pat got a lot of open looks. bodes well for the future. unless they don't play him. what was grant doing in there in crunch time with ferguson? odd.

[Pillendreher]

All things considered, I think this was a good enough showing. A couple of quick nots based on the replay I just saw:

-Not a single minute for TLC. I find that odd. He does look like he's athletic, so why not give him a shot defensively?
-Grant with 29 minutes, Patterson with 18.
-I think the offense was a mess all game long. Even in the 2nd half, so many of the shots made were pullups. We never really looked like we had any sort of rhythm. Way too many possessions just wasted standing around. Too many single action attacks and too much settling for contested jumpers. Making them is good, but it just masks the issue underneath.
-The defense was decent after the 1st quarter imo. I'm glad they still found a way to get to the passing lanes. Schröder and Ferguson trying to guard Curry and Thompson was not something I'd like a replay of.
-I can't decide what's worse when watching games the Warriors are a fans of: Their insufferable players showboating after almost everyting, their bandwagon fools in the stands oohing and aaahing when a Warriors player takes a **** on the court or these national tv guys hyping their horrific Center rotation full of scrubs, Ugh.
-Overall, the rotation looked very messy. Some of those lineups...
-Abrines drove to the rim and made another 3 off a screen. I'm telling you: His offensive games has expanded.

[thekaoswithin]

Very impressed that we stayed in it with no Russ. PG13 was phenomenal, 4th quarter where he got hard off-ball doubles is where we need that extra scorer. I think we could have taken this if Russ was healthy.

[Pillendreher]

I hope this kind "versatility" continues throughout the season.

[Old Man Game]

I'm probably putting too much faith in Bill Doh to behave rationally here, but I feel like the Ferg v. Diallo thing will sort itself out. If Diallo is honestly better in practice and when on the floor, he'll see more minutes. And ultimately that's what counts. If that happens and they want to continue to start Ferg instead to preserve his (apparently) fragile ego and confidence, that's fine too.

[Old Man Game]

I hope this kind "versatility" continues throughout the season.

It was immediately obvious how much the defense respected his shooting. Golden State was tracking him off the ball with a sort of intensity you seldom see from opposing defenders towards our wings.

[thekaoswithin]

I'm probably putting too much faith in Bill Doh to behave rationally here, but I feel like the Ferg v. Diallo thing will sort itself out. If Diallo is honestly better in practice and when on the floor, he'll see more minutes. And ultimately that's what counts. If that happens and they want to continue to start Ferg instead to preserve his (apparently) fragile ego and confidence, that's fine too.

If Ferg's ego is that fragile then he's not cut out for the NBA. You don't succeed without adversity.

[slick_watts]

I'm probably putting too much faith in Bill Doh to behave rationally here, but I feel like the Ferg v. Diallo thing will sort itself out. If Diallo is honestly better in practice and when on the floor, he'll see more minutes. And ultimately that's what counts. If that happens and they want to continue to start Ferg instead to preserve his (apparently) fragile ego and confidence, that's fine too.

preserve his value.

[spearsy23]

Abrines may be the best starting option, he currently has an NBA skill at least and that may be more than any other wing on the roster sans PG. we could use the spacing anyway, and it would allow Ferg and diallo to play together some in a lineup that doesn't really have structure but tries to out athletic everyone.

[getrichordie]

All things considered, I think this was a good enough showing. A couple of quick nots based on the replay I just saw:

-Not a single minute for TLC. I find that odd. He does look like he's athletic, so why not give him a shot defensively?

It is a bit odd. Maybe Donovan thinks Diallo deserved the minutes.

-Grant with 29 minutes, Patterson with 18.

Patterson was 2 for 9. He missed quite a few wide open 3s. If his shot isn’t falling, he doesn’t impact the game much. Also, this is the Warriors. Grant matches up better on defense.

-Abrines drove to the rim and made another 3 off a screen. I'm telling you: His offensive games has expanded.

Absolutely agree. It’s clear that he has been working on his off-ball game a lot. I was shocked when I saw Abrines run off that screen and pull up with confidence and hit that 3. We need more of that from him.




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[spearsy23]

I'm probably putting too much faith in Bill Doh to behave rationally here, but I feel like the Ferg v. Diallo thing will sort itself out. If Diallo is honestly better in practice and when on the floor, he'll see more minutes. And ultimately that's what counts. If that happens and they want to continue to start Ferg instead to preserve his (apparently) fragile ego and confidence, that's fine too.

This is kinda what I feel too. Ferguson's invisibility offensively is glaring, but if he's in the right position and doing the right things he could still be having positive impact in ways diallo might not. Maybe diallo gets comfortable and finds those spots as the year goes on and Ferguson shows no progression, but there's no need to rush things right now just because diallo gets some buckets.

[spearsy23]

Grant doesn't match up better defensively than Patterson. Against any team.

[getrichordie]

Very impressed that we stayed in it with no Russ. PG13 was phenomenal, 4th quarter where he got hard off-ball doubles is where we need that extra scorer. I think we could have taken this if Russ was healthy.

I just hope when Russ comes back that Felton stays on the bench. I’d rather have Gaddy out there than Felton.


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