Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[gambitx777]

You may be right.

Of course, we picked in the top 45 this year.

&, if we'd had a pick, we'd have picked in the top 45 in 2016.

In fact, our R2 pick has been between 31 & 45 in seven of the last ten drafts.

So, I'd say it's possible you are being a bit optimistic, no?

In fact, I'd guess most fans here thought nothing of the fact that we sold our high 2009 R2 draft pick. That we flubbed on our high 2011 R2 pick. That we threw away the 2012 #46 pick we owned. That we wasted our high 2013 R2 pick. That we sold our #46 pick in 2014. Traded our R2 picks in '16 & '17. Picked a guy in '18 who has a slim shot to ever make the league (while *undrafted* players from this deep draft are on NBA rosters).

For that matter there are plenty of fans here who thought we made a terrific deal in 2017 that cost us our R1 pick. Following a terrific trade in 2016 that cost us our lottery pick.

Why are we facing a difficult tax situation that caused us to have to give away another R2 pick? Because we gave away all those previous picks. In that same way, we will see the results of this little mess in another mess a couple of years down the road.

I mean thats two years away, this whole thing could fall to **** and the team could be blown up by then.

It's easy to tell who's young around here & who's old!

right ! like the wall beal porter core has been a thing for a while now, so, like its possible it doesnt stay together for two more years if we don't start cracking ECF or finals

[Dat2U]

Wizards trade:
2019 Unprotected 1st rd pick
2021 Top 20 protected 1st pick (converts to 2 future 2nd rd picks in 2022)
Kelly Oubre Jr $3.2 mil
Markieff Morris $8.6 mil
Jason Smith $5.45 mil

Timberwolves trade
Jimmy Butler $20.4

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Rivers / McRae
Butler / Brown / Robinson
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi / Bryant

[gambitx777]

Wizards trade:
2019 Unprotected 1st rd pick
2021 Top 20 protected 1st pick (converts to 2 future 2nd rd picks in 2022)
Kelly Oubre Jr $3.2 mil
Markieff Morris $8.6 mil
Jason Smith $5.45 mil

Timberwolves trade
Jimmy Butler $20.4

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Rivers / McRae
Butler / Brown / Robinson
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi / Bryant

brown isnt ready,Mcrae and robinson are on 2 way deals don't know how the team can convert those but that 45 games plus the pay out is to much and that puts us deep deep deep in to bad news can't keep the lights on tax territory

not if you were to say
2019 or 2020 first either or wolfs choice
Ian
kelley
for buttler.
then ok. that works does not deplete the team too much, and it's one pick for a rental and you dump mahinmi, good deal you can play morris more at the 5 and we have bryant which imo should be playing over mahinmi anyway. Before anyone goes off about the T wolfs would never do that, i don't care, thats fair market value for a guy who probably, in all likelihood won't stay. a first a young player and short term filler. Id say take it or leave it. I do feel like buttler would like playing here with wall and beal. But if buttlers issue is wanting to play with team mates who care about winning. is this the place for him ?

[Wiz99]

Outgoing
-John Wall
-Ian Mahinmi

Incoming
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson

Salaries check. Wiz take on risk Butler departs, but have opportunity to upgrade from Wall (around 20th best talent in the Association) to Butler (widely viewed as top 8-12 player). Minnie gets a lot more cents on their Butler dollar than other deals, and Wall allows Tibs a chance to win now and save his job.

Who says no?

[payitforward]

Wizards trade:
2019 Unprotected 1st rd pick
2021 Top 20 protected 1st pick (converts to 2 future 2nd rd picks in 2022)
Kelly Oubre Jr $3.2 mil
Markieff Morris $8.6 mil
Jason Smith $5.45 mil

Timberwolves trade
Jimmy Butler $20.4

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Rivers / McRae
Butler / Brown / Robinson
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi / Bryant

Well, sure! That is, it's an "all in" move, which beats what we can expect to get in the next couple of years w/ Ernie at the helm.

The only problem is that it leaves us with 11 guys at $131.5m. You have us converting Robinson & McRae, which would add @ $2m. We'd still need 1 more.

So make it $134.5m for 14 guys. No way to get under the tax this year, & (off the top of my head...) no way to get under the tax next year either.

[Dat2U]

Wizards trade:
2019 Unprotected 1st rd pick
2021 Top 20 protected 1st pick (converts to 2 future 2nd rd picks in 2022)
Kelly Oubre Jr $3.2 mil
Markieff Morris $8.6 mil
Jason Smith $5.45 mil

Timberwolves trade
Jimmy Butler $20.4

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Rivers / McRae
Butler / Brown / Robinson
Porter / Green
Howard / Mahinmi / Bryant

Well, sure! That is, it's an "all in" move, which beats what we can expect to get in the next couple of years w/ Ernie at the helm.

The only problem is that it leaves us with 11 guys at $131.5m. You have us converting Robinson & McRae, which would add @ $2m. We'd still need 1 more.

So make it $134.5m for 14 guys. No way to get under the tax this year, & (off the top of my head...) no way to get under the tax next year either.

That's why it's considered in all in move!

Best believe this would mean they would have to do everything to get under the luxury tax for 19-20 --- Unless they made a finals run and Butler wanted to come back.

[payitforward]

Outgoing
-John Wall
-Ian Mahinmi

Incoming
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson

Salaries check. Wiz take on risk Butler departs, but have opportunity to upgrade from Wall (around 20th best talent in the Association) to Butler (widely viewed as top 8-12 player). Minnie gets a lot more cents on their Butler dollar than other deals, and Wall allows Tibs a chance to win now and save his job.

Who says no?

Obviously, this can't happen, as it puts them @ $129m w/ 7 players. Or, if Teague picks up his option it would be $148m w/ 8 players.

Plus, if they want Wall, they will want to get rid of Teague.

But, hey, it's still fun! How about

Out:
Wall, Mahinmi, Oubre, & Morris

In:
Butler, Teague, Tolliver & Jones

Salaries match. Better for them in that it gets rid of Teague, gives them a young guy w/ potential, & Morris is expiring. Still has the problem of Wall's super-max.

Teague would pick up his option, & we'd pick up Jones' option. If we re-signed Tolliver at his current salary, those 3 guys would cost us $27m. With Porter, Beal & Brown, we'd be at 6 players for under $87m.

Lets assume we re-sign Satoransky & extend Bryant for a total of $8m. Now we are at $95m for 8 players. We add our 2019 R1 & R2 picks & are at, say, $98.5m for 10 players.

Now, because everyone here likes him so much, & because basketball players are so expensive anyway, we send Jeff Green out to be cloned twice at different sizes -- whatever positions we need to fill. Ok, 3 Jeff Greens adds @ $5m next year, bringing us to 13 guys for $103.5m

Butler would not pick up his option. But... it looks like we could sign him to a max deal & slip under the tax.

How's all that work? Somebody look up how much cloning costs....

[Wiz99]

Outgoing
-John Wall
-Ian Mahinmi

Incoming
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson

Salaries check. Wiz take on risk Butler departs, but have opportunity to upgrade from Wall (around 20th best talent in the Association) to Butler (widely viewed as top 8-12 player). Minnie gets a lot more cents on their Butler dollar than other deals, and Wall allows Tibs a chance to win now and save his job.

Who says no?

Obviously, this can't happen, as it puts them @ $129m w/ 7 players. Or, if Teague picks up his option it would be $148m w/ 8 players.

Plus, if they want Wall, they will want to get rid of Teague.

But, hey, it's still fun! How about

Out:
Wall, Mahinmi, Oubre, & Morris

In:
Butler, Teague, Tolliver & Jones

Salaries match. Better for them in that it gets rid of Teague, gives them a young guy w/ potential, & Morris is expiring. Still has the problem of Wall's super-max.

Teague would pick up his option, & we'd pick up Jones' option. If we re-signed Tolliver at his current salary, those 3 guys would cost us $27m. With Porter, Beal & Brown, we'd be at 6 players for under $87m.

Lets assume we re-sign Satoransky & extend Bryant for a total of $8m. Now we are at $95m for 8 players. We add our 2019 R1 & R2 picks & are at, say, $98.5m for 10 players.

Now, because everyone here likes him so much, & because basketball players are so expensive anyway, we send Jeff Green out to be cloned twice at different sizes -- whatever positions we need to fill. Ok, 3 Jeff Greens adds @ $5m next year, bringing us to 13 guys for $103.5m

Butler would not pick up his option. But... it looks like we could sign him to a max deal & slip under the tax.

How's all that work? Somebody look up how much cloning costs....

I’m not sure the T-Wolves say no like you’re thinking. If they were serious about wanting to retain Butler, they have to already be prepared to lock up a TON of money in a few contracts. And getting Wall is way better than the other deals for Butler we're hearing about. Wolves would say yes.

But the alternate deal you proposed has the Wizards overpaying. We don’t need to send Oubre to make the deal better than what the Wolves are so far offered talent-wise.

[Dark Faze]

Unfortunately this FO is in a coma. It's going to take a disaster of a season for them to be motivated to make a big move.

[pcbothwel]

Unfortunately this FO is in a coma. It's going to take a disaster of a season for them to be motivated to make a big move.

Maybe, maybe not. I think if we are playing .500 ball through the new year, Ted is going to give EG the eye. Ted aint paying a team 8M over the Tax as a repeater for mediocre play. Something will give.

Im hoping 2 things.
1) NOP continues to do well and want to cash in to keep AD.
2) Kings dont find good value for cap space.

Trade Oubre & Morris to NOP for Miller, Wes Johnson, 2019 1st, and a 2nd
Trade Mahinmi & NOP 1st to Kings for Koufos and future 2nd.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9qss6qx

Convert Robinson to Min contract. Be under Lux tax and have 2 future 2nds.
Bring back Sato, Green and Howard, Draft BPA with our 1st, and use Full MLE on wing.
Keep us competitive, Financially flexible, and all our picks.

[Dat2U]

Unfortunately this FO is in a coma. It's going to take a disaster of a season for them to be motivated to make a big move.

Ernie is typically very patient until it's time to panic. A season ending injury. Below .500 play. Significant turmoil. It will take something like that for him to make a move.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I don’t care what we get back, but we need to give away Morris at all costs.

If Brooks had the strip sack to use him sparingly, he wouldn’t be the worst player in the world in very unique circumstances. But at this point, gotta adjust the roster to save Brooks from himself.

Living the dysfunctional dream.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Hey everyone I come in peace.

I've noticed that Wizards fans seem to be very frustrated with the treadmill that this team has been on recently and want to move on from the Wall/Beal era.

What do you guys think about these two deals?

Nets get: Bradley Beal, Jason Smith
Wizards get: D'Angelo Russell, Joe Harris, Kenneth Faried, BKN 1st (Lottery protected), 2020 Suns 2nd, Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

or

Nets get: Wall, Jason Smith
Wizrds get: D'Angelo Russell, Allen Crabbe, DEN 1st (Top 12 Protected), Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

I know it's early but I though I'd start the conversation.

[Dark Faze]

Hey everyone I come in peace.

I've noticed that Wizards fans seem to be very frustrated with the treadmill that this team has been on recently and want to move on from the Wall/Beal era.

What do you guys think about these two deals?

Nets get: Bradley Beal, Jason Smith
Wizards get: D'Angelo Russell, Joe Harris, Kenneth Faried, BKN 1st (Lottery protected), 2020 Suns 2nd, Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

or

Nets get: Wall, Jason Smith
Wizrds get: D'Angelo Russell, Allen Crabbe, DEN 1st (Top 12 Protected), Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

I know it's early but I though I'd start the conversation.

We're not at a point where we'd entertain training Beal--too young and on a healthy contract.

The Wall deal--the Wizards can likely do better than what equates to what is essentially just a salary dump. D'Angelo Russell is not a player I would want to invest in as our future PG--questionable talent and injury prone. The Denver pick isn't too promising.

My counter offer: Jarrett Allen, top 3 protected Brooklyn first (unprotected the following year), and salary filler of your choice.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Hey everyone I come in peace.

I've noticed that Wizards fans seem to be very frustrated with the treadmill that this team has been on recently and want to move on from the Wall/Beal era.

What do you guys think about these two deals?

Nets get: Bradley Beal, Jason Smith
Wizards get: D'Angelo Russell, Joe Harris, Kenneth Faried, BKN 1st (Lottery protected), 2020 Suns 2nd, Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

or

Nets get: Wall, Jason Smith
Wizrds get: D'Angelo Russell, Allen Crabbe, DEN 1st (Top 12 Protected), Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

I know it's early but I though I'd start the conversation.

We're not at a point where we'd entertain training Beal--too young and on a healthy contract.

The Wall deal--the Wizards can likely do better than what equates to what is essentially just a salary dump. D'Angelo Russell is not a player I would want to invest in as our future PG--questionable talent and injury prone. The Denver pick isn't too promising.

My counter offer: Jarrett Allen, top 3 protected Brooklyn first (unprotected the following year), and salary filler of your choice.

I understand not wanting to trade Beal.

Jarrett Allen and LeVert are untouchable right now. There's no way the Wizards get that kind of return for Wall who's going on 30 and will make 40 million next year. Honestly I thought my initial offer for Wall was a borderline overpay.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hey everyone I come in peace.

I've noticed that Wizards fans seem to be very frustrated with the treadmill that this team has been on recently and want to move on from the Wall/Beal era.

What do you guys think about these two deals?

Nets get: Bradley Beal, Jason Smith
Wizards get: D'Angelo Russell, Joe Harris, Kenneth Faried, BKN 1st (Lottery protected), 2020 Suns 2nd, Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

or

Nets get: Wall, Jason Smith
Wizrds get: D'Angelo Russell, Allen Crabbe, DEN 1st (Top 12 Protected), Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

I know it's early but I though I'd start the conversation.

Neither. Wall was a #1 pick and he's a legit star. Beal was a #3 pick and has lived up to his draft position by becoming an all star.

Protecting the picks makes these both a huge no.

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[Dat2U]

Hey everyone I come in peace.

I've noticed that Wizards fans seem to be very frustrated with the treadmill that this team has been on recently and want to move on from the Wall/Beal era.

What do you guys think about these two deals?

Nets get: Bradley Beal, Jason Smith
Wizards get: D'Angelo Russell, Joe Harris, Kenneth Faried, BKN 1st (Lottery protected), 2020 Suns 2nd, Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

or

Nets get: Wall, Jason Smith
Wizrds get: D'Angelo Russell, Allen Crabbe, DEN 1st (Top 12 Protected), Pacers 2nd (Protected 45-60)

I know it's early but I though I'd start the conversation.

We're not at a point where we'd entertain training Beal--too young and on a healthy contract.

The Wall deal--the Wizards can likely do better than what equates to what is essentially just a salary dump. D'Angelo Russell is not a player I would want to invest in as our future PG--questionable talent and injury prone. The Denver pick isn't too promising.

My counter offer: Jarrett Allen, top 3 protected Brooklyn first (unprotected the following year), and salary filler of your choice.

I understand not wanting to trade Beal.

Jarrett Allen and LeVert are untouchable right now. There's no way the Wizards get that kind of return for Wall who's going on 30 and will make 40 million next year. Honestly I thought my initial offer for Wall was a borderline overpay.

Cool story bro. No one is clamoring for Levert or Allen. I know some Wiz fans are mad we missed on him the draft and while he's a decent prospect, he's also arguably the worst starting C in the East.

Wall is a legit all-star and proven playoff performer. Your talking about role players still trying to find their way in the league. There's no real discussion to be had here.

[Dark Faze]

I understand not wanting to trade Beal.

Jarrett Allen and LeVert are untouchable right now. There's no way the Wizards get that kind of return for Wall who's going on 30 and will make 40 million next year. Honestly I thought my initial offer for Wall was a borderline overpay.

Honestly he's probably a bad fit for you guys in regards to timeline.

If Wall is going to be moved, it needs to be to a team with aspirations to win now.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

We're not at a point where we'd entertain training Beal--too young and on a healthy contract.

The Wall deal--the Wizards can likely do better than what equates to what is essentially just a salary dump. D'Angelo Russell is not a player I would want to invest in as our future PG--questionable talent and injury prone. The Denver pick isn't too promising.

My counter offer: Jarrett Allen, top 3 protected Brooklyn first (unprotected the following year), and salary filler of your choice.

I understand not wanting to trade Beal.

Jarrett Allen and LeVert are untouchable right now. There's no way the Wizards get that kind of return for Wall who's going on 30 and will make 40 million next year. Honestly I thought my initial offer for Wall was a borderline overpay.

Cool story bro. No one is clamoring for Levert or Allen. I know some Wiz fans are mad we missed on him the draft and while he's a decent prospect, he's also arguably the worst starting C in the East.

Wall is a legit all-star and proven playoff performer. Your talking about role players still trying to find their way in the league. There's no real discussion to be had here.

It's not a story, just a fact. I'm talking about a dynamic 6'8 combo guard averaging 24 PPG so far and a 19 year old center averaging 3 blocks and shooting 40% from 3. Yes it's early in the season but no team is giving up players like those for Wall at this point. I'm a big fan of Wall's game but not a fan of his attitude, contract, age or injury history. You'll hear similar things from other fans and pundits. You should expect any Wall trade discussions to be similar to the Jimmy Butler discussions except with even less suitors since the PG position is so stacked.

I don't mean to disrespect Wall or the team, I'm just pointing out how difficult it's going to be to get back the kind of value you're expecting.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I understand not wanting to trade Beal.

Jarrett Allen and LeVert are untouchable right now. There's no way the Wizards get that kind of return for Wall who's going on 30 and will make 40 million next year. Honestly I thought my initial offer for Wall was a borderline overpay.

Honestly he's probably a bad fit for you guys in regards to timeline.

If Wall is going to be moved, it needs to be to a team with aspirations to win now.

If the Nets got Wall and LeVert and Allen continued their stellar play, they'd be likely to add a max FA this summer. It's all hypotheticals obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets pivot to a sustainable win now plan after this season.