Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[gtn130]

Holy **** daoneandonly stop moving the goal posts, man. You're taking a passing comment that had very little to do with the actual argument at hand and turning it into the entire argument. I don't care to have some sprawling, endless argument with you that spans the entire political spectrum.

My question was if you could describe why people are pro-choice. It appears that you think it's because liberals want to murder babies and their objectives pretty much boil down to that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[daoneandonly]

Holy **** daoneandonly stop moving the goal posts, man. You're taking a passing comment that had very little to do with the actual argument at hand and turning it into the entire argument. I don't care to have some sprawling, endless argument with you that spans the entire political spectrum.

My question was if you could describe why people are pro-choice. It appears that you think it's because liberals want to murder babies and their objectives pretty much boil down to that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So you mention something and can't back it up with ideas, because the argument has no basis.

Why are people pro choice? Sure, its convenient, it's easy, you don't have to be accountable or responsible for your actions. Sounds pretty clear to me. The end result of all that is yes indeed, killing a child to make their life easier, but as long as its less onus on them, who cares? Live life to the fullest, too bad their baby didn't get that chance.

[pancakes3]

i mean, that's accurate, except it's not a child. or a baby.

what's more, nobody on this board who's pro-choice is advocating for late-term abortions when the unborn is functionally an actual baby.

so what exactly are we arguing about? a fertilized egg? tell me, if that's what your definition of "child" is.

[daoneandonly]

i mean, that's accurate, except it's not a child. or a baby.

what's more, nobody on this board who's pro-choice is advocating for late-term abortions when the unborn is functionally an actual baby.

so what exactly are we arguing about? a fertilized egg? tell me, if that's what your definition of "child" is.

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

[Pointgod]

I'd imagine if he admitted to rape the guy would be behind bars. The tape was horrendous, you can't argue that, what he said was disgusting, but a far cry from rape. Rape is a crime, just like murder, and just like abortion (outside of rape, and a medical need) should be.

I’m laughing at the fact that in all your Trump defending you honestly think that Trump has paid for an abortion or 11. Linking abortion to murder is its own brand of crazy.

Anyways about Trump being a rapist I’ll let you decide for yourself. There’s definitely a history there unless you think all these women are lying sluts trying to bring a good man down.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list

never said Trump was a good man, he's done just a handful of good things. Most importantly, selected 2 pro life judges to the SCOTUS, all those with a conscious say AMEN and let's hope for a 3rd.

if a woman kills her child after she delivers him/her, that's considered murder, so what, the baby passing through the canal is the oh so vital difference? There should be an abortion registry for women who have it unless they were raped or medical need. There are sex offender registries and rightfully so, the public should know their children could be in potential danger. Similarly, a man should know the woman he may want to be with has killed her child before, and would again, that could prevent one from happening. People who support abortion are so proud and brazen about their beliefs, so for those who actually went ahead and did it, register, own it.

I’m going to ignore your second paragraph because it’s going into STD levels of full on crazy and authorianism. So for you believe that Trump appointing Supreme Court judges, one of which is a credible accused rapist, on the court outweighs all the terrible and downright evil things that he’s done? And yet you claim to hold a superior moral position? I understand why religion is seen as a joke and I’m speaking as a fairly religious person myself.

[Pointgod]

i mean, that's accurate, except it's not a child. or a baby.

what's more, nobody on this board who's pro-choice is advocating for late-term abortions when the unborn is functionally an actual baby.

so what exactly are we arguing about? a fertilized egg? tell me, if that's what your definition of "child" is.

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

Your definition doesn’t mean anything. There’s a scientific and medical definition of human life. That’s what matters, in the whole matter is already settled law. I thought Republicans are the party of law and order?

[pancakes3]

i mean, that's accurate, except it's not a child. or a baby.

what's more, nobody on this board who's pro-choice is advocating for late-term abortions when the unborn is functionally an actual baby.

so what exactly are we arguing about? a fertilized egg? tell me, if that's what your definition of "child" is.

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

what's your definition of fetus? biologically it's defined at 9 weeks. are you ok w termination before 9 weeks? what makes a fetus more important than a zygote?

[gtn130]

I'm convinced that daoneandonly is actually still a fetus and this is why he feels so strongly about this

[daoneandonly]

I’m laughing at the fact that in all your Trump defending you honestly think that Trump has paid for an abortion or 11. Linking abortion to murder is its own brand of crazy.

Anyways about Trump being a rapist I’ll let you decide for yourself. There’s definitely a history there unless you think all these women are lying sluts trying to bring a good man down.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list

never said Trump was a good man, he's done just a handful of good things. Most importantly, selected 2 pro life judges to the SCOTUS, all those with a conscious say AMEN and let's hope for a 3rd.

if a woman kills her child after she delivers him/her, that's considered murder, so what, the baby passing through the canal is the oh so vital difference? There should be an abortion registry for women who have it unless they were raped or medical need. There are sex offender registries and rightfully so, the public should know their children could be in potential danger. Similarly, a man should know the woman he may want to be with has killed her child before, and would again, that could prevent one from happening. People who support abortion are so proud and brazen about their beliefs, so for those who actually went ahead and did it, register, own it.

I’m going to ignore your second paragraph because it’s going into STD levels of full on crazy and authorianism. So for you believe that Trump appointing Supreme Court judges, one of which is a credible accused rapist, on the court outweighs all the terrible and downright evil things that he’s done? And yet you claim to hold a superior moral position? I understand why religion is seen as a joke and I’m speaking as a fairly religious person myself.

Never said it excused his behavior, but again the general election left me no choice. Hillary is more reprehensible than Trump, so i stand by my vote

And religion is a joke, u proved that claiming to be religious and not having empathy for a child being killed

[daoneandonly]

I'm convinced that daoneandonly is actually still a fetus and this is why he feels so strongly about this

Pretty sad a fetus has more values, morals, integrity than you. See, we do feel!

[daoneandonly]

i mean, that's accurate, except it's not a child. or a baby.

what's more, nobody on this board who's pro-choice is advocating for late-term abortions when the unborn is functionally an actual baby.

so what exactly are we arguing about? a fertilized egg? tell me, if that's what your definition of "child" is.

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

Your definition doesn’t mean anything. There’s a scientific and medical definition of human life. That’s what matters, in the whole matter is already settled law. I thought Republicans are the party of law and order?

Theres scientific and medical evidence that proves the brain is not fully developed until age 25. Yet we consider 18 year olds as adults and allow them to vote

[queridiculo]

Interesting breakdown of what a scumbag the dotard in office is.

Master deal maker and businessman he is not, through and through corrupt and lacking any sense of wrong or right.

https://features.propublica.org/trump-inc-podcast/trump-family-business-panama-city-khafif/

SINCE DONALD TRUMP’S FORTUNES came surging back with the success of “The Apprentice” 14 years ago, his deals have often been scrutinized for the large number of his partners who have ventured to the very edges of the law, and sometimes beyond. Those associates have included accused money launderers, alleged funders of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard and a felon who slashed someone in the face with a broken margarita glass.

Trump and his company have typically countered by saying they were merely licensing his name on these real estate projects in exchange for a fee. They weren’t the developers or in any way responsible.

But an eight-month investigation by ProPublica and WNYC reveals that the post-millennium Trump business model is different from what has been previously reported. The Trumps were typically way more than mere licensors or bystanders in their often-troubled deals. They were deeply involved in these projects. They helped mislead investors and buyers — and they profited handsomely from it.

[queridiculo]

So you mention something and can't back it up with ideas, because the argument has no basis.

Why are people pro choice? Sure, its convenient, it's easy, you don't have to be accountable or responsible for your actions. Sounds pretty clear to me. The end result of all that is yes indeed, killing a child to make their life easier, but as long as its less onus on them, who cares? Live life to the fullest, too bad their baby didn't get that chance.

People are pro-choice because they follow common sense guidelines on how not to be an ****.

You know, some of those same principles on being a decent human that can be found in the bible. Matthew 7:2 ring a bell?

[queridiculo]

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

You come across as dumb as a rock. How can you sit behind your keyboard and proselytize when you don't even have a grasp of basic reproductive biology.

A couple of months different from a fetus to baby

[queridiculo]

I'm convinced that daoneandonly is actually still a fetus and this is why he feels so strongly about this

Pretty sad a fetus has more values, morals, integrity than you. See, we do feel!

What a burn!

[daoneandonly]

So you mention something and can't back it up with ideas, because the argument has no basis.

Why are people pro choice? Sure, its convenient, it's easy, you don't have to be accountable or responsible for your actions. Sounds pretty clear to me. The end result of all that is yes indeed, killing a child to make their life easier, but as long as its less onus on them, who cares? Live life to the fullest, too bad their baby didn't get that chance.

People are pro-choice because they follow common sense guidelines on how not to be an ****.

You know, some of those same principles on being a decent human that can be found in the bible. Matthew 7:2 ring a bell?

It does, the whole judge others and you will be judged. But the same doesn't hold true for killing others and youll be killed. If life was fair, a woman who had an abortion would never be able to have children again.

The Bible has many verses saying God loves everyone equally, do you honestly believe that? Some people suffer with health isuues like cancer, birth defects, depression, autism, have to bury a loved one too early, etc, and some have it all. So yea dont need to hear about verses, i lived that life for 3 decades, im done with it. You prove why its a joke, spew out some verses that fit ur narrative, but ignore the verses where Jesus loves children, talks about being a voice for the voiceless, and thou shall not kill. Religion rigjt?

[daoneandonly]

A fetus is my deifnition of child, a couple months difference from a fetus being a baby does not make one's life worth more than the others.

Just like women who had abortions and then had children later on, what made those children more important and worthy of life? The mother's "choice"?

You come across as dumb as a rock. How can you sit behind your keyboard and proselytize when you don't even have a grasp of basic reproductive biology.

A couple of months different from a fetus to baby

Back to name calling i see, its a wonder u dont like Trump, u call from the same playbook

[stilldropin20]

Yeah see, there comes a point when his experiences sound a lot like my experiences and a lot like induvecas experiences and before you know it, it’s not really anecdotal anymore.



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Based on unverified claims, your net worth is in the top 1-2%, Induveca's is higher (He's the Putin to your Trump) so yeah, typical stories illustrative of everystrawman, more hard science than fairy tale.

To gtn's point, it's so easy to smack down, hard, time and time again, anything that std says. You can use facts, you can use jokes, and you never have to try that hard. But he's like that guy at the bar you think must be drunk the way he goes up to bigger, stronger, faster guys and starts picking fights, but then the way he keeps picking himself up off the floor, bloodied but otherwise unfazed, you realize the police don't even yet have a name for the powerful hallucinogen that he's on that allows him to continually and blithely plunge headfirst into Stone Cold's next punch. You want to intervene, but instead you mostly just sit back and watch the dramedy.

bro, you cant mislead the plebs like that. you know who I am. You know that I really am a dentist and been a dentist for 17 years. and it doesn't take more than a couple clicks to see i own at least 3 dental practices. and it doesn't take more than a couple more clicks to see my fiance is a former playboy model and a multi-brand ambassador, and a couple more to see i am a licensed realtor and own a construction company too.

so yeah, im definately in the 1%. But i wasn't born in the 1%. far from it. Almost the bottom 1%. I was born in a **** a world away far far away from all of this where over emotional human beings (my parents) over consumed illicit drugs to make themselves feel better about their lives or escape the reality of their lives. The drugs while "high" increased their apathy to work. And the after effects of drug use decreased their natural endorphins so that always felt like crap and easily agitated for day at a time...until they got high again. Life was "too hard" for them. It was too frustrating having to deal with things like bills and earning money. They just wanted to spend money. So my lazy ass mom and step dad didn't know how to "win" at life. Because they didn't understand that "life" is a marathon. Its a long game and few if anyone wins the short game and finds lightening in abottle and "gets rich" quick. Almost No one gets rich quick!

And for some reason that really frustrates some americans. These liberal jackazzes think they are entitled to amazing lives of wealth and success. They feel that because a guy like me is worth more than 10 million that they too should be worth 10 million...you know!! just be-phuckin-cuz, man!!!!!! These little douche bag 20-somethings dont understand that we are all tempted by drugs, tempted by apathy, tempted by the lure of the couch and the TV, tempted listen to the liars of the world and chase dreams and "do what we love" instead of what makes money.


Here's some advice to all the liberals out there. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. You think its was suppose to be "fun." Why? Let me assure you, It's just work. Its just effort. Thats it. And patience. Staying the course.

^^^^^^^I bring all of this up to make this final point: 2 years I began posting on here again and I will tell you now the same thing I told all of you guys then. I can teach any single one of you how to be a millionaire and if you do exactly what i tell you to do you will have at least $1 million in equity or cash in the bank within 10 years. Easy! Now which of you lazy phucks wants to change your life today and become a millionaire???? :o

^^^^i have made this offer over 20 times in these threads. And not one of you has taken me up...not even said, "ok, SD, how do we do it?"

Which proves my points. You guys are too lazy to stay the course and make your own money so as to never need health care and free education...even if you dont learn it and apply it in your own life, you dont want to even learn how to do it to teach your kids. Why??

Why do you want free education and free health care instead?? Why do you want free fish instead of learning how to fish??

See...liberalism is a disease. Socialism is a disease. They both appear to be good things. But there is always wealthy elitess...be they foreign or domestic that will own big oil. big tech. and espeicially big banking, and big pharma. So they dont work. Elites continue to hoard in socialism just like they do in capitalism.

But liberalism has become much worse. Its become a "social currency" and abstract type of disease that has real and physical roots in biology psychology, and physics. Physics teaches us that a body at rest tends to stay at rest. and a body in motion tends to stay in motion. Biology teaches us that hard physical work and mental work is rewarding in 2 basic ways. 1. a sense of accomplishment as things tend to get done. 2. The body releases endogenous endorphins just by doing actual physical work. Those are the kinds of things that give human beings both a sense of fulfullment, accomplishment, and ultimately innate happiness.

See MONTE, you asked what kind of drug I'm on? And I can tell you....its the drug of accomplishment. My parents really were crack heads. And alcoholics. And broke dick. And dealt drugs. So i know that world very well. And I emerged from it. To not only be a top "10%er" and not only a top 2%er but indeed a top .05%er....and i did it the old fashioned way. Work. I created and manufactured real products and sold them for profit. I took those profits and invested in our US markets. There was no lightening in a bottle, get rich quick deal nor was there any luck other than not being stupid and listening to the wrong false profits along thew way. It doesn't take more than an hour to study either our stock or real estate markets to understand how wealth grows exponentially over time. And it doesn't take long to figure out what careers will pay you better than others. Nor does it take that long to figure if you are any good at any given career. Nor does it take that long to figure your odds of success. I mentioned this before to all of you but i played 2 sports in college. clearly I was more gifted than the next guy....but i knew I didn't have the desire to go "all in" in either sport and try to make it in the pros. That is called reality. But as a child in high school i thought that maybe i did. But i understood that likely I didn't. So i hedged. I got straight A's in college while playing 2 sports and working full-time. because I knew I wanted my options open for various grad/med/dental/law schools. And i took all the classes i was suppose to take to get into either depending on what i chose.

You wonder what drugs I'm on? ^^^^^^ That's my phuckin drugs, man!!!! Accomplishment!! Success!!!! Banging tons of smoking hot chicks along the way!!!!! Buying whatever house i want anywhere in the world!!!! What ever car I want!!!! I spend a grand on dinner often...bi weekly!!!!! Do you guys even understand how awesome that feels for a broke dick kid like me that had crack heads for parents?? And then, on top of that, I teach younger people how to invest. I mentor kids(20 and 30 year olds) into real estate, into dentistry. I do tons of charity works. TONS of it! I give away 3-5 smile makeovers per year...my patients love me for the stuff i do for them...

But at the same time i wear $8 dollar shoes and $10 pants....if i want. I just bought a new car today. not an M3 like my old one. Not a X6. but a 21,900 toyota! I love it!! its less offensive and I stopped caring about what kind of car i drove and clothes i wear over 15 years ago. I am completely at peace. I love life. And I LOVE MY LIFE!!

But even when i was a broke azz I still loved life...I was angrier then. I had a huge chip on my shoulder then...but i took it out on the weight room and on the basketball court and football field. It worked for me. I took it out on all that puntang!! Which made the gils love me even more. So even then...life was still good. And I always knew i was on a good path...that there would be some decent level of "success" due to all the hard work i was willing to put in. I knew it would pay off. I believed in myself. The hard part for me was being patient...waiting for it...because it does take time. I learned patience in my late 30's early 40's. Before then, i just outworked and out saved everyone.

And that's the drug, monte!!! thats the secret ingredients!!!! And none of you liberals are even asking me how to do it...and I know more about building wealth than probably all of you combined...isnt that odd? isn't it? I mean...your pride and your ego is stopping you from asking me how to do it. Or your mind and body is "at rest" and more comfortable being at rest. Or you are just lazy? Or just too stupid to do anything with the knowledge i can impart on you. <--which means you would just waste any resources that we, the tax payers, spend on you. Why give you anything? Why should i pay more taxes so you can have better schooling?? If you're too gotdamned stupid to listen to me right now??

I mean 80-90% of you have convinced yourselves that somehow I am the bumbling fool in this thread. Do you realize how stupid you have to be to believe that? That tells me you gusy dont have a single clue about what its really like to be as poor as i was growing up and with really effed up parents and STILL get out of there not just alive, and healthy, but to rise above in such a way that would make any of you the proudest parents on the planet if i were your child. Seriously fellas...I'm here to help. You dont get to talk to guys like me with my experiences and (who will be honest with you) very often, if ever.

i'm here to help. But i wont be here forever.

[montestewart]

HAHA! STrump'D University!

[pancakes3]

dunning kruger alert.