CELTICS/KNICKS PG THREAD

[robillionaire]

Knox expected to miss 2-4 weeks

[Fat Kat]

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[DOT]

Starting to feel like Kemba's more and more inevitable

Frank's not gonna be our PG moving forward, and there's no high end PG talent in this class to draft, so we have to get one in free agency

Kyrie's not coming, and our next best options after Kemba are Dragic, Bledsoe, and Terry Rozier, none of whom I really wanna pay

I'd honestly prefer they keep being a really bad team than them signing Kemba.

We wouldn't be a really bad team though, we'd be a mediocre one

KP back for a full season, that's enough to pull us out of a top 10 pick, then you add on improvements from Frank/Knox/Mitch/Trier, and whatever our rookie next year does, and we'd be a mid 30s, maybe 40 win team

Plus, we're committed to signing a max contract this year. That decision was made when we stretched Noah

[Ewing2Melo]

What's everyones opinon on Franks ceiling? I don't ever see him as a star in the league, not even the team. I think he a skillset in the NBA. But I don't see him as the PG of this team.

[ForzaMetro]

Starting to feel like Kemba's more and more inevitable

Frank's not gonna be our PG moving forward, and there's no high end PG talent in this class to draft, so we have to get one in free agency

Kyrie's not coming, and our next best options after Kemba are Dragic, Bledsoe, and Terry Rozier, none of whom I really wanna pay

I'd honestly prefer they keep being a really bad team than them signing Kemba.

Agreed. To be honest, I only have eyes for Durant this offseason. If by some miracle he comes here, the need for a high level, traditional PG lessens since the offense is primarily going to run through KD. At that point, there are a bunch of routes you could go to fill the position.

[MaseInYourFace]

Starting to feel like Kemba's more and more inevitable

Frank's not gonna be our PG moving forward, and there's no high end PG talent in this class to draft, so we have to get one in free agency

Kyrie's not coming, and our next best options after Kemba are Dragic, Bledsoe, and Terry Rozier, none of whom I really wanna pay

I'd honestly prefer they keep being a really bad team than them signing Kemba.

We wouldn't be a really bad team though, we'd be a mediocre one

KP back for a full season, that's enough to pull us out of a top 10 pick, then you add on improvements from Frank/Knox/Mitch/Trier, and whatever our rookie next year does, and we'd be a mid 30s, maybe 40 win team

Plus, we're committed to signing a max contract this year. That decision was made when we stretched Noah

Keep the cap money. Keep the flexibility. Maybe a trade opportunity will open up eventually and you can actually spend it on someone transformative.

[Besart19]

We had a huge risk of going 3-0... so be happy folks

[ForzaMetro]

What's everyones opinon on Franks ceiling? I don't ever see him as a star in the league, not even the team. I think he a skillset in the NBA. But I don't see him as the PG of this team.

I think to hang as a guard in this league, you either have to be a knock down shooter, or you need to be able to create off the dribble and get into the paint (then finish/distribute). At this point in his career, Frank really can't do either at a high enough level, but his defensive impact and versatility warrants him being on the court. He's still young enough to develop offensively and I'm willing to be patient. If I had to make a prediction, I think it's easier to develop long-range shooting ability than handle/distribution skills, so I see him becoming a defensive specialist who is enough of a threat offensively that he is a 3rd guard on a good team.

[DOT]

I'd honestly prefer they keep being a really bad team than them signing Kemba.

We wouldn't be a really bad team though, we'd be a mediocre one

KP back for a full season, that's enough to pull us out of a top 10 pick, then you add on improvements from Frank/Knox/Mitch/Trier, and whatever our rookie next year does, and we'd be a mid 30s, maybe 40 win team

Plus, we're committed to signing a max contract this year. That decision was made when we stretched Noah

Keep the cap money. Keep the flexibility. Maybe a trade opportunity will open up eventually and you can actually spend it on someone transformative.

That's what we should do

But this offseason's really gonna test the FO if they have all this money to spend and nobody worth it to spend it on

[Dr. Detfink]

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Definitely in agreement. However even if Knox was healthy and logged in his 19-20 min, it would not have changed the outcome. The Knicks were just outplayed at every facet of the game. The Final Score was misleading.

Frank Ntilikina is going to be a great, young 2-way player but he STILL needs to add some muscle to that lean, athletic frame. The G-SF gatling gun of Jaylen Brown, Jayson "Channing" Tatum, M. Morris, M. Smart, & Baynes were just too physical for a super young kid to handle.

The Celtics were so confident they gave Gordon Hayward the day off to see Halloween at the Alamo Drafthouse in Brooklyn.

I'm so sick of Kyrie Irving or as I like to call him, "Waffles" go back and forth. Before the Celtics first regular season game, Kyrie Irving giggles like a school girl with Rachel Nichols, "Y'know the Celtics are pretty damn good team..."

Then in New York, here we go again with the tease.

Kyrie Irving aka Waffles.

Just ONCE, I want ONE NBA journalist to fu#K with a player and say, "Of course you want to come to the world class Knicks. You'd sign with the Knicks for $15M per season, right (Durant, Butler, Irving..insert FA du jour)??????

Obviously it's a joke but Just to STUDY their expression...

Next up, the Greek Freak, Xena Anatop of something like that. Who's covering that monster? Kornet?

[MaseInYourFace]

What's everyones opinon on Franks ceiling? I don't ever see him as a star in the league, not even the team. I think he a skillset in the NBA. But I don't see him as the PG of this team.

I see his ceiling now as being a very good complimentary starter or "super" role player. We are talking the high end of role players. The Bruce Bowen, Diaws, and Battiers of the NBA world. His defense is what has chance to make him special.

[MaseInYourFace]

We wouldn't be a really bad team though, we'd be a mediocre one

KP back for a full season, that's enough to pull us out of a top 10 pick, then you add on improvements from Frank/Knox/Mitch/Trier, and whatever our rookie next year does, and we'd be a mid 30s, maybe 40 win team

Plus, we're committed to signing a max contract this year. That decision was made when we stretched Noah

Keep the cap money. Keep the flexibility. Maybe a trade opportunity will open up eventually and you can actually spend it on someone transformative.

That's what we should do

But this offseason's really gonna test the FO if they have all this money to spend and nobody worth it to spend it on

Definitely. I'm a little worried about that as well. Mills in particular seems pretty set on spending that money. Can't even hide it well.

[Clyde_Style]

We wouldn't be a really bad team though, we'd be a mediocre one

KP back for a full season, that's enough to pull us out of a top 10 pick, then you add on improvements from Frank/Knox/Mitch/Trier, and whatever our rookie next year does, and we'd be a mid 30s, maybe 40 win team

Plus, we're committed to signing a max contract this year. That decision was made when we stretched Noah

Keep the cap money. Keep the flexibility. Maybe a trade opportunity will open up eventually and you can actually spend it on someone transformative.

That's what we should do

But this offseason's really gonna test the FO if they have all this money to spend and nobody worth it to spend it on

If the team is scrappy and the MSG crowd gets shows like last night, it may actually take off any additional pressure to go starphucking

[El Poochio]

Frank usage rate watch: %9 ---> 12 ---> 18

About to hit whooping %27 next game

[2010]

We got way too many shooting guards who deserve to play, to keep playing Frank on the wing.

Hardaway Jr., Trier, Dotson and Courtney Lee (when healthy) all deserve to play.

Which means Frank should be starting at point guard, Burke should be backing him up, and Baker
or Mudiay should be traded or cut.

[nedleeds]

Looking at minutes before I waste an hour watching this. Why didn't Knox play?

Knox expected to miss 2-4 weeks

NM

[2010]

I don't think Frank was utilized well tonight. Anyhow, win-win.

I can’t make no more excuses for frank I just accept him for whom he is. A solid defensive player that can maybe give you a 3 pointer here and there

Games like this is where you’d like to see improvements from ntilkina on display. YOur going up against a tough team what you gonna do about it? He did nothing no aggressiveness, tentative couldn’t hit a shot meanwhile rookie trier looked like a complete boss against Boston.

Idk man I want ntilkina to be good but I’ve lowered expectations

Y'all super reactionary

Frank was missing, but dude was taking as many shots as I've ever seen him take

Dude took 7 shots in 19 minutes, Trier took 9 in 25

Y'all need to chill, kid's developing. Ups and downs, this season and next too

It's like dudes is tryna turn me from an anti-FrankfROOTER into a Frank defender.

I will never criticize him for missing shots. Stage 1 of his development is getting him to take them. Actually making them is stage 2. Right now I am happy with stage one and my mindset with Frank, Knox, and Mitch is process over results.

But everyone keep saying they want this season to be about development but yet they want to nitpick results. Just be happy Frank is taking shots with no hesitation.

[iLLSonChandla]

It depends

We could run an offense almost exclusively based around wings and KP

A core of KP/Knox/Barrett would be more than enough offense that Frank wouldn't need to do much on that side of the ball to contribute, then he could be locking up opposing PGs on the other end

So yeah he would be a really nice defensive oriented player.

Well yeah

I don't know where this idea comes from that people think Frank's gonna be an offensive powerhouse comes from, the best player I've said he could be is Jrue Holiday's career average (15/6)

Secondary/tertiary playmaker and defender, but from the PG if we draft the right wing

Throw the career averages out the window.. Jrue is REALLY REALLY good. Former all star that brings his game to another level in the postseason. You saw what he did on both ends of the floor last year while destroying some of the games best during the playoffs ? I wish but I highly doubt Frank will ever reach that level.

[2010]

Fuq it ready for all the smoke...

Give me a Kemba for 3-4 years with this crew. Would be the best Knicks team since the 90s with a fully healthy KP and likely top 5 pick coming in.

[thebuzzardman]

Hopefully the team plays as badly as it truly is and the Knicks get a high draft pick.

Right now, this team is KP and the bench mob, only KP isn't playing.
And it's not a given KP is an alpha or franchise player, or evolutionary Kevin Love.

Keep tanking, keep drafting, hopefully be good at it, let's check back in 3 years, around the time the team might not suck or be mediocre and some front running star might want to avail himself of our cap space, if the team was smart enough to maintain it, also not a given.