Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[darthmerrick]

Lol people actually mad that vooch is good. As predicted. They actually want him to fail.

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I think we are tired of losing, stats and signs point to him being a big reason for that because what he gives on offense negates what he gives up on the other end.

[KillMonger]

I get it but.... He's long gone man.... But it wouldn't be RealGM without the revisionist history

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[OrlandO]

Lol people actually mad that vooch is good. As predicted. They actually want him to fail.

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I think we are tired of losing, stats and signs point to him being a big reason for that because what he gives on offense negates what he gives up on the other end.

We keep losing because the team as a whole has sucked. It still sucks. That's what happens without a star and constantly being riddled with a bunch of youth that needs to be developed. If you're looking to blame one or two players then you're just in denial about the other players.

[darthmerrick]

Lol people actually mad that vooch is good. As predicted. They actually want him to fail.

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I think we are tired of losing, stats and signs point to him being a big reason for that because what he gives on offense negates what he gives up on the other end.

We keep losing because the team as a whole has sucked. It still sucks. That's what happens without a star and constantly being riddled with a bunch of youth that needs to be developed. If you're looking to blame one or two players then you're just in denial about the other players.

Okay, then we should be developing our youth and getting rid of the guy leading us to 7 straight losing seasons. We actually went backwards. He is a good offensive player, but his D sucks. In no way are we winning a championship or getting to the playoffs with Vuc still on this team...so lets get rid of him for whatever we can get and start developing Bamba.

[OrlandO]

I think we are tired of losing, stats and signs point to him being a big reason for that because what he gives on offense negates what he gives up on the other end.

We keep losing because the team as a whole has sucked. It still sucks. That's what happens without a star and constantly being riddled with a bunch of youth that needs to be developed. If you're looking to blame one or two players then you're just in denial about the other players.

Okay, then we should be developing our youth and getting rid of the guy leading us to 7 straight losing seasons. We actually went backwards. He is a good offensive player, but his D sucks. In no way are we winning a championship or getting to the playoffs with Vuc still on this team...so lets get rid of him for whatever we can get and start developing Bamba.

We ARE developing Bamba. Vuc will be gone or demoted within a year. Until then Bamba gets to develop at his own pace against backups.

[Optimus_Steel]

Vuc has always been a gifted passer but our coaches never seem to use it much, when it has been its been limited. Already Cliff is exploiting his passing ability, its the smart thing to do in this offensive challenged team. The better the team can score the better the defense will be.

[NavalAviator94]

Vuc has always been a gifted passer but our coaches never seem to use it much, when it has been its been limited. Already Cliff is exploiting his passing ability, its the smart thing to do in this offensive challenged team. The better the team can score the better the defense will be.

100%

[shadrock]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

[drsd]

The Magic is currently the 4th worst team in points differential.

[pepe1991]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

[VFX]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

I’m done blaming the coach. Of course Clifford will use Vuc as much as possible because of the clear lack of offensive options at his disposal. What pisses everyone off is the fact he won’t put Bamba, JI, and AG in at the same time. When Orlando is in a blowout loss it should be happening.

There is probably a large majority of Magic fans like myself that would rather lose with the roster of the future, rather than win with what won’t be here in 8 months.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

I would give briscoe more time than condemning him after one half of play in his first serious NBA game, but that's just me.

This is so obvious that I'm ashamed it has to even be stated.

[pepe1991]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

I’m done blaming the coach. Of course Clifford will use Vuc as much as possible because of the clear lack of offensive options at his disposal. What pisses everyone off is the fact he won’t put Bamba, JI, and AG in at the same time. When Orlando is in a blowout loss it should be happening.

There is probably a large majority of Magic fans like myself that would rather lose with the roster of the future, rather than win with what won’t be here in 8 months.

IMO that's because team has no backup PF or SF.
So when Bamba is in, with Vučević , one of Gordon or Isaac has to play SF and other , by default has to rest.

At this moment i'm all in to run offense through Vučević.
Short term it gives best product possible to watch, long term it skyrockets his value as trade asset.

[shadrock]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

You actually think Vucevic wins games? Where is the evidence of this?

We will SOOOO many more games by playing high energy gritty basketball with the young guns. Vucevic is a **** loser.

[pepe1991]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

You actually think Vucevic wins games? Where is the evidence of this?

We will SOOOO many more games by playing high energy gritty basketball with the young guns. Vucevic is a **** loser.

No, they would not.
Especially now when he is by far best passer on the floor after Payton left.
Shots distribution with him off court is terrible, especially with Ross and Simmons who only look for own shots and Grant having ballhandling skills of Biyombo.

[bargnanimvp]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

You actually think Vucevic wins games? Where is the evidence of this?

We will SOOOO many more games by playing high energy gritty basketball with the young guns. Vucevic is a **** loser.

Vuc isn't a winning player as the number one option but he's still our most reliable scoring option, we have stretches where no one can create but vuc is a consistent interior scorer when we run through him. That's why this team uses him so much to try and win games. Him and Evan are the only real scorers this team has, AG is still raw and his handle isn't there he looks nice if someone else is feeding him but we have no one who can play make for others on this roster.

Once we move Vuc he will look much nicer in a smaller role on a good team with guards who can defend and a system that uses him correctly. Probably off the bench for a contender where he'll be efficient in a smaller role but every now and then have a big game that has his teams fans asking why orlando traded him for a 2nd round pick and some cheeseburgers

[Optimus_Steel]

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

You actually think Vucevic wins games? Where is the evidence of this?

We will SOOOO many more games by playing high energy gritty basketball with the young guns. Vucevic is a **** loser.

Vuc isn't a winning player as the number one option but he's still our most reliable scoring option, we have stretches where no one can create but vuc is a consistent interior scorer when we run through him. That's why this team uses him so much to try and win games. Him and Evan are the only real scorers this team has, AG is still raw and his handle isn't there he looks nice if someone else is feeding him but we have no one who can play make for others on this roster.

Once we move Vuc he will look much nicer in a smaller role on a good team with guards who can defend and a system that uses him correctly. Probably off the bench for a contender where he'll be efficient in a smaller role but every now and then have a big game that has his teams fans asking why orlando traded him for a 2nd round pick and some cheeseburgers

Agreed. People seem to forget out that our team overall is anemic in offense, and that includes the younger guys we are trying to build around. They have limitations to their games and force feeding them shots with how poor the offensive talent is will not help them improve. Vuc is like the only guy that can somewhat create offense for others.

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[BadMofoPimp]

You actually think Vucevic wins games? Where is the evidence of this?

We will SOOOO many more games by playing high energy gritty basketball with the young guns. Vucevic is a **** loser.

Vuc isn't a winning player as the number one option but he's still our most reliable scoring option, we have stretches where no one can create but vuc is a consistent interior scorer when we run through him. That's why this team uses him so much to try and win games. Him and Evan are the only real scorers this team has, AG is still raw and his handle isn't there he looks nice if someone else is feeding him but we have no one who can play make for others on this roster.

Once we move Vuc he will look much nicer in a smaller role on a good team with guards who can defend and a system that uses him correctly. Probably off the bench for a contender where he'll be efficient in a smaller role but every now and then have a big game that has his teams fans asking why orlando traded him for a 2nd round pick and some cheeseburgers

Agreed. People seem to forget out that our team overall is anemic in offense, and that includes the younger guys we are trying to build around. They have limitations to their games and force feeding them shots with how poor the offensive talent is will not help them improve. Vuc is like the only guy that can somewhat create offense for others.

This is the beginning of the season. If the Magic just started their young guys now and gifted them all 30+ mpg that would mean the entire organization already gave up on this season and building a winning mentality. People gotta learn to be patient as the season progresses. Irrational panicking out the gate is typical for fans around here. It just seems worse on this board than most.

Bamba will probably start by mid-season and I think Isaac gets moved to the bench in favor of Ross. Hopefully, a creative trade to obtain a legit starting PG is on the horizon by February.

[PennytoShaq]

Im done. I cannot watch this team if Vuc is the center piece and Clifford actually intends to rely on him as such. Some of these NBA coaches are **** morons man.

But if coach is told to win games, and Vučević is his best player overall, why you expect him to not be focus on offense?
Especially on team that would probably start MCW if they have him.

I’m done blaming the coach. Of course Clifford will use Vuc as much as possible because of the clear lack of offensive options at his disposal. What pisses everyone off is the fact he won’t put Bamba, JI, and AG in at the same time. When Orlando is in a blowout loss it should be happening.

There is probably a large majority of Magic fans like myself that would rather lose with the roster of the future, rather than win with what won’t be here in 8 months.

I think the ultimate compromise rotation would be to stick all the vet guys we want to trade in this lineup:

DJ/Evan/Simmons/AG/Vuc

And then roll out this lineup together:

Briscoe/Ross/Frazier/JI/Bamba

Starters play, raise their value and we can purge the roster while playing a core of young guys that actually make sense together.