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Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe

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Ayton and Booker is new Shaq and Kobe

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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#21 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:28 pm

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Big NBA Fan wrote:Devin will probably also never have multiple 30 PPG seasons like Kobe did and Ayton lacks Shaq's basketball IQ.


Disagree on the Devin probability of multiple 30ppg seasons. He already had a 25ppg season at 21 years of age. He's definitely likely to have a few 30ppg seasons if the team can spread things out for him and give him more space to operate instead of constantly fighting double and triple teams because he's the only threat to score.


I don't know if it's likely, but perhaps possible. The only current players in the league with multiple 30 pt seasons are LeBron, and AD (who only had two, and it was 30 and 31 ppg).
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#22 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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Big NBA Fan wrote:Devin will probably also never have multiple 30 PPG seasons like Kobe did and Ayton lacks Shaq's basketball IQ.


Disagree on the Devin probability of multiple 30ppg seasons. He already had a 25ppg season at 21 years of age. He's definitely likely to have a few 30ppg seasons if the team can spread things out for him and give him more space to operate instead of constantly fighting double and triple teams because he's the only threat to score.


I don't know if it's likely, but perhaps possible. The only current players in the league with multiple 30 pt seasons are LeBron, and AD (who only had two, and it was 30 and 31 ppg).

Anthony Davis? He's only had 28ppg seasons. Unless you're talking playoffs. Or do you mean KD?

Anyway I don't think hitting 30ppg should be a goal for Booker. I think 27-28ppg is plenty especially on good efficiency. I'd much rather see him average 7-8apg than 30ppg.
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#23 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:18 am

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Disagree on the Devin probability of multiple 30ppg seasons. He already had a 25ppg season at 21 years of age. He's definitely likely to have a few 30ppg seasons if the team can spread things out for him and give him more space to operate instead of constantly fighting double and triple teams because he's the only threat to score.


I don't know if it's likely, but perhaps possible. The only current players in the league with multiple 30 pt seasons are LeBron, and AD (who only had two, and it was 30 and 31 ppg).

Anthony Davis? He's only had 28ppg seasons. Unless you're talking playoffs. Or do you mean KD?

Anyway I don't think hitting 30ppg should be a goal for Booker. I think 27-28ppg is plenty especially on good efficiency. I'd much rather see him average 7-8apg than 30ppg.


Yeah, I guess I was looking at playoffs.

Thought I was looking at regular season... https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_season.html but was looking at playoffs. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_season_p.html

So in the regular season only LeBron and KD have done it, each twice, and one of those times they each BARELY hit 30...KD at 30.15 ppg and LeBron 30.00 ppg.

Kobe hit it 3x, but twice was when he wasn't playing with Shaq or Gasol and the other time he barely got it 30.01 and it was the year with Shaq after their three peat but before they made it back in 2004. KD and LeBron never did it on teams that made the finals either.
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#24 » by sunsbg » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:47 am

Watched a replay on TV of the 2001 Lakers - Kings classic and I would say Ayton is much more Webber than Shaq, expecially if he works on improving BBIQ and passing. Shaq was just so dominant in the post, a truly unique player, it's not fair to compare anybody to him. I would like Ayton to dominate inside like Shaq did, but his demeanor is very different, comparable to the likes of Robinson/Duncan/Ewing.
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#25 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:20 pm

sunsbg wrote:Watched a replay on TV of the 2001 Lakers - Kings classic and I would say Ayton is much more Webber than Shaq, expecially if he works on improving BBIQ and passing. Shaq was just so dominant in the post, a truly unique player, it's not fair to compare anybody to him. I would like Ayton to dominate inside like Shaq did, but his demeanor is very different, comparable to the likes of Robinson/Duncan/Ewing.


I love Webber...would love that...great passing. Shaq's work ethic was mostly terrible. Webber had his choking moments in his career but that team likely wins it all in 2002 and 2003 without all the crazy Lakers calls in the former and Webber breaking his leg in the playoffs in the latter.

I think Ayton can probably be a little more powerful inside if he ever gets a little bit of a nasty streak and probably a better rebounder.
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#26 » by garrick » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:51 am

Maybe the next Reggie Miller and David Robinson more like.
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Post#27 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:26 pm

garrick wrote:Maybe the next Reggie Miller and David Robinson more like.


Ewing (with fewer blocks and less defense) along with Allan Houston (with more passing and higher scoring) might be more accurate. Robinson was DPOY and all defensive first or second times 8 times. Ewing was 2nd team 3 times. I don't even see that but I can't think of another C who thrived rebounding and scoring but was subpar on defense that was still fairly dominating. I'm sure there are plenty of examples though.
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#28 » by Damkac » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:11 pm

For now they looks more like they can be the next Nash and Amare - amazing on offense, terrible on defense.
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Post#29 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:33 am

Damkac wrote:For now they looks more like they can be the next Nash and Amare - amazing on offense, terrible on defense.


That's great and all but the real question most are wondering is who is our Pat Burke?
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Post#30 » by Qwigglez » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:37 am

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Damkac wrote:For now they looks more like they can be the next Nash and Amare - amazing on offense, terrible on defense.


That's great and all but the real question most are wondering is who is our Pat Burke?


Could be Ryan Anderson if he shaves his head.
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Post#31 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:13 am

He could shave all he wants but will never achieve a bald shiny head like Pat Burke's. Also had big shot vs Lakers in the playoffs if I remember correctly. Or was that Lou Amundson?
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Re: Can Ayton and Booker be the next Shaq and Kobe 

Post#32 » by Revived » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:42 am

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JellyRolling wrote:
Damkac wrote:For now they looks more like they can be the next Nash and Amare - amazing on offense, terrible on defense.


That's great and all but the real question most are wondering is who is our Pat Burke?


Could be Ryan Anderson if he shaves his head.

Nah Anderson is our Frye.

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