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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#281 » by JohnPferdelack » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:58 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:They're gonna end up canceling this crown jewel show and their partnership with the saudis. Was a bad look from the beginning but now with this story about the murdered/dismembered journalist, they're really gonna be feeling the heat.


Is there really the possibility of danger for the WWE "people"/performers or is the only concern for the WWE to get bad publicity?
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Post#282 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:27 pm

Crown Jewel is on track to get cancelled or moved. Every new detail about this journalist's assassination is more grisly and disgusting than the previous one, and now with reigns already out, Cena and Daniel Bryan are refusing to make the trip. Good for them. To be honest they should've refused the original money grab but this is a good move for them and the locker room. I thought for awhile that if Cena refused that others would feel safe enough to do the same.
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#283 » by improper » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:18 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Crown Jewel is on track to get cancelled or moved. Every new detail about this journalist's assassination is more grisly and disgusting than the previous one, and now with reigns already out, Cena and Daniel Bryan are refusing to make the trip. Good for them. To be honest they should've refused the original money grab but this is a good move for them and the locker room. I thought for awhile that if Cena refused that others would feel safe enough to do the same.


Guess Cena finally hit the point where the money wasn't worth the bad PR.
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#284 » by Stanford » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:21 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Crown Jewel is on track to get cancelled or moved. Every new detail about this journalist's assassination is more grisly and disgusting than the previous one, and now with reigns already out, Cena and Daniel Bryan are refusing to make the trip. Good for them. To be honest they should've refused the original money grab but this is a good move for them and the locker room. I thought for awhile that if Cena refused that others would feel safe enough to do the same.


Guess Cena finally hit the point where the money wasn't worth the bad PR.


I'm curious why your comment is about Cena and not Daniel Bryan.
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Post#285 » by improper » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:23 pm

Stanford wrote:I'm curious why your comment is about Cena and not Daniel Bryan.


Because Bryan doesn't have the clout that Cena does in the company. Bryan might actually putting his career at risk if he is indeed refusing to go, whereas it's no risk at all for Cena. They're not gonna fire him and he knows it. Also, Daniel Bryan didn't give a speech at the Greatest Royal Rumble glorifying how great Saudi Arabia is now. Cena did.

It's why I don't criticize most of the roster for going over there and performing. I doubt most of them have much of a choice.
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Post#286 » by Stanford » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:28 pm

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Stanford wrote:I'm curious why your comment is about Cena and not Daniel Bryan.


Because Bryan doesn't have the clout that Cena does in the company. Bryan might actually putting his career at risk if he is indeed refusing to go, whereas it's no risk at all for Cena. They're not gonna fire him and he knows it.

It's why I don't criticize most of the roster for going over there and performing. I doubt most of them have much of a choice.


OK, but your comment implied cynicism of his motives. Why is this a PR move and not a principled stand?
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Post#287 » by improper » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:30 pm

Stanford wrote:OK, but your comment implied cynicism of his motives. Why is this a PR move and not a principled stand?


Well, I just edited this into my previous post, but...

Because if it were a principled stand he probably wouldn't have given that speech at the Greatest Royal Rumble glorifying how great Saudi Arabia is now. For Cena, this is all PR. It's reaching the point where going there could hurt his career outside WWE, and so this is where he makes his stand.
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Post#288 » by Stanford » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:32 pm

I think that's a lot of mind reading on your part.
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Post#289 » by improper » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:34 pm

Stanford wrote:I think that's a lot of mind reading on your part.


Maybe, but it's been obvious from the beginning that Saudi Arabia killed this journalist in an absolutely horrific way, so Cena sure took his time deciding to make his stand.
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Post#290 » by Stanford » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:38 pm

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Stanford wrote:I think that's a lot of mind reading on your part.


Maybe, but it's been obvious from the beginning that Saudi Arabia killed this journalist in an absolutely horrific way, so Cena sure took his time deciding to make his stand.


You could say the same about Bryan, who I think is definitely refusing to go on principle. (Look who's mind reading now!)

They could have just been waiting for things to play out, giving WWE a chance to back out first.
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Post#291 » by improper » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Stanford wrote:You could say the same about Bryan, who I think is definitely refusing to go on principle. (Look who's mind reading now!)

They could have just been waiting for things to play out, giving WWE a chance to back out first.


I mean, sure, but even then, Cena's speech at the Greatest Royal Rumble rubbed me the wrong way at the time (because Saudi Arabia was still an awful place that committed vile human rights atrocities at the time of the GRR too), and it only looks way worse now.
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#292 » by iMoreland » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:54 pm

The Saudi Arabia show is still going on as planned, per: http://corporate.wwe.com/news/company-news/2018/10-25-2018

"Similar to other U.S.-based companies who plan to continue operations in Saudi Arabia, the Company has decided to uphold its contractual obligations to the General Sports Authority and stage the event."
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#293 » by Stanford » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:57 pm

Holy ****
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#294 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:03 pm

That's one they're gonna regret
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#295 » by Stanford » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:08 pm

I understand not cancelling this show on short notice, but what about the long term contract? I'd like to see them address that.
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#296 » by bestnamezRtaken » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:44 pm

Yeah I'm curious to see how this plays out. With Cena refusing to go and hot rumors that Daniel Bryan is refusing to go...that's two mega stars, one who is in one of the main event matches! Are they just going to make up injuries for the two? Are they going to just force them to go or fire them? lol what are they doing?!
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#297 » by improper » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:12 pm

Well, I for one won't be watching this show, and I'm sure a lot of others are on the same page. Going to be interesting to see how bad it performs compared to the GRR. I bet a whole lot less people watch it.
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Post#298 » by Stanford » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:17 pm

I'm not surprised that Bryan isn't scared to get fired. I get the feeling that while he is happy to have a good paycheck coming in, he's not particularly thrilled about working for WWE. He hasn't looked totally inspired since he returned, and he spoke so passionately about his desire to do new things in wrestling while he was gone. He appears to be going through the motions in a lot of his matches and promos.
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Post#299 » by improper » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:19 pm

Stanford wrote:I'm not surprised that Bryan isn't scared to get fired. I get the feeling that while he is happy to have a good paycheck coming in, he's not particularly thrilled about working for WWE. He hasn't looked totally inspired since he returned, and he spoke so passionately about his desire to do new things in wrestling while he was gone. He appears to be going through the motions in a lot of his matches and promos.


He's one of the few guys on the roster who could probably pretty easily make more in the indies than he does in WWE because of how big a name he still is.
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Re: WWE General Discussion II 

Post#300 » by Stanford » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:22 pm

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Stanford wrote:I'm not surprised that Bryan isn't scared to get fired. I get the feeling that while he is happy to have a good paycheck coming in, he's not particularly thrilled about working for WWE. He hasn't looked totally inspired since he returned, and he spoke so passionately about his desire to do new things in wrestling while he was gone. He appears to be going through the motions in a lot of his matches and promos.


He's one of the few guys on the roster who could probably pretty easily make more in the indies than he does in WWE because of how big a name he still is.


I know that was true during that year he was fired, but I'm not sure he could pull that off now. I'm sure he's making a ton of cash.

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