Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[PharmD]

No, I'm just not underselling a team with a 29 year old current MVP, an all-nba 2 way player who's 29 and a 25 year old great defensive center. I'd also expect Morey to reshuffle his roster in 3 or so years.

I'll also say this, even if you get 2 top 13 picks out of it somehow STILL isn't even close to worth an all-nba player that has 4-6 great years left in him.

Me: Here are reasons they might not be good in 7 years and the limitations that may keep them from adding much talent.

You: THEY'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW SO THEY'LL BE GOOD IN 7 YEARS

Hence me saying if they get 1 or 2 lottery picks.

Anyways, in 7 years you'll be dealing with Towns having left Minnesota already with them missing the playoffs every year after Butler was traded.

That future is pretty much inevitable at this point. It's just that it would be nice to have a couple of extra picks for the re-re-re-rebuild.

[jpatrick]

If we’re getting a pick heavy deal, they have to all be unprotected. Plus I’d want pick swaps in the other three years. Most if not all of these picks will be basically second round picks, so we have to maximize the assets we receive.

[Murphs56]

All it took for the Rockets to get desperate was a slow start and a Harden Injury. The Wolves having no leverage narrative was completely overblown

[Neeva]

Boston and philly are gonna get desperate next

[Bucketgetter]

Without knowing the protections, this is a worthless tweet. It's like saying the Heat offered us 4 players for jimmy Butler. Great! Let me use that information to wipe my a**hole.

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

Does Woj's article say anything about the protections on the picks? If not, then you completely missed my point and I don't care how many characters it has.

[KGdaBom]

I don't know. CP3 is one bad injury from being done, he's getting up there in age. If he goes down, they are stuck with that contract and who knows how far they could fall

Yeah, they'd be stuck with Harden, Butler and Capella. I really think you don't get how good these players are, you might get to find out soon though.

Does Butler have 3 more good years left in him?

I would guess six or seven good years left in him and a few OK ones after that.

[K4P]

Yeah 4 late first round picks don't do much for Minny.
Thibs should be trying to haggle EG and/or PJ from the Rox.

[KGdaBom]

Unless Thibs is ready to give up on the season the Wolves would need Gordon back in any Houston trade. Minnesota's just doesn't have the wing depth to trade Butler without getting a playable wing back.

As far as 1st round picks, the 2019 and 2021 Rockets picks are likely to be in the 20s, so their value is somewhat limited. The real value in the deal would be the 2023 and 2025 picks, which almost have to be unprotected (since Houston could be pretty bad at that point and any protection would mean a good chance the picks never convey).

Seems like Glen would have to be the one to make this trade. WTF does Thibs care about a 2025 draft pick? He'll be 6 years past being fired.

I still don't have a clue what Thibodeau has done that's a fireable offense. Winning more games? Adding superior talent? Making the playoffs. How dare he.

[Calinks]

There is some risk for sure. There are decent odds the Rockets are still a playoff team over the next 5+ years. Tow of those picks are probably surly very late first.

[FargoWolf]

There is no way Thibs is trading Jimmy for Knight and 4 FRPs. That brings back absolutely nothing in the short term. At minimum it needs to be EG.

[KGdaBom]

Without knowing the protections, this is a worthless tweet. It's like saying the Heat offered us 4 players for jimmy Butler. Great! Let me use that information to wipe my a**hole.

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

If there are any protections on the picks at all it isn't newsworthy. All unprotected plus Gordon we should do it.

[big3_8_19_21]

Without knowing the protections, this is a worthless tweet. It's like saying the Heat offered us 4 players for jimmy Butler. Great! Let me use that information to wipe my a**hole.

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

Does Woj's article say anything about the protections on the picks? If not, then you completely missed my point and I don't care how many characters it has.

Yes. Obviously that's why I mentioned it. Because maybe twitter is designed for bite-sized information and you would find out more information if you read...I don't know...more information. Or just keep being angry for no reason.

[Note30]

Without knowing the protections, this is a worthless tweet. It's like saying the Heat offered us 4 players for jimmy Butler. Great! Let me use that information to wipe my a**hole.

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

If there are any protections on the picks at all it isn't newsworthy. All unprotected plus Gordon we should do it.

If we can get five unprotected or 4 and 1 swap, 3 unprotected seconds and Knight for Butler, take that and run. There's no way the Rockets will be good for another 4 years. Chris Paul is old oft injured and getting older. Harden will never play defense and assuming Butler misses games and gets max resigned or better yet leaves then we will feast on picks. They won't have Tucker next year and the hole they have at PF will only get larger. They lose all depth. I think it would be one pick every other year except for the next two. So even better. And if we include further pick swaps this could be a Billy King esque move on Morey's part.

But tbh Thibs will never take that because he's a dummy.

[KGdaBom]

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

If there are any protections on the picks at all it isn't newsworthy. All unprotected plus Gordon we should do it.

If we can get five unprotected or 4 and 1 swap, 3 unprotected seconds and Knight for Butler, take that and run. There's no way the Rockets will be good for another 4 years. Chris Paul is old oft injured and getting older. Harden will never play defense and assuming Butler misses games and gets max resigned or better yet leaves then we will feast on picks. They won't have Tucker next year and the hole they have at PF will only get larger. They lose all depth. I think it would be one pick every other year except for the next two. So even better. And if we include further pick swaps this could be a Billy King esque move on Morey's part.

But tbh Thibs will never take that because he's a dummy.

7 years is the max trades can be pushed out and teams are not allowed to trade their #1 pick for more than one year at a time. 4 is the most we can get. We do this we are almost doing what the 76ers were doing with the exception of already having KAT on the team.

[TheProdigy]

No thanks. They will probably be late 1st rd picks which Glen Taylor has a history of trading for "cash considerations".

[Norseman79]

Remember, the 4 picks are spread out over the next 7 years. That is why if there is not protection on the picks this is actually a nice trade. It isn't a win now type of deal, but we are not winning now with anyone we get in a Jimmy trade, unless Kat and Wig take off once he is gone.

Can anyone tell me more about M. Chriss? Is he a straight 4, or is he like an Aaron Gordon who can play the 3/4?

[Alwaysrightguy]

No thanks. They will probably be late 1st rd picks which Glen Taylor has a history of trading for "cash considerations".

correction he trades 2nd round picks for cash.

[Alwaysrightguy]

4 unprotected first round picks! If this is true, can any sane person decline this for a player who will not resign here. Nobody is beating GS the next 3 years so now that we had a taste of playoff basketball, I am good, life is good for me as a lifelong fan. Ill take that over any crap Miami was putting together aside from Whiteside, Winslow and an unprotected 1st. Thibs needs to get either PJ or EG back along with those picks but we have a starting point. It will happen by Halloween..........Im pumped!

[AirP.]

Me: Here are reasons they might not be good in 7 years and the limitations that may keep them from adding much talent.

You: THEY'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW SO THEY'LL BE GOOD IN 7 YEARS

Hence me saying if they get 1 or 2 lottery picks.

Anyways, in 7 years you'll be dealing with Towns having left Minnesota already with them missing the playoffs every year after Butler was traded.

That future is pretty much inevitable at this point. It's just that it would be nice to have a couple of extra picks for the re-re-re-rebuild.

Why not just pay Butler and keep building up? If Okogie works on his game and can add a decent shot to what he already has, maybe you move Wiggins for a very good vet or multiple good players from a team that's looking to rebuild. As much as we believe Wiggins is a bad value, there are some teams out there devoid of talent or desperate enough to make a move for him.

[TheProdigy]

No thanks. They will probably be late 1st rd picks which Glen Taylor has a history of trading for "cash considerations".

correction he trades 2nd round picks for cash.

You must be forgetting the 2011 draft when we parlayed a 1st through a series of trades which netted us cash considerations, so we could buyout Kurt Rambis.

The point is that I don't entirely trust this franchise to properly manage draft capital.