Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Bucketgetter]

You really consider it not newsworthy that the Rockets offered four 1sts? Wow.

Maybe you should actually read Woj's article. It has more details. The world exists in more than 280 characters at a time.

Does Woj's article say anything about the protections on the picks? If not, then you completely missed my point and I don't care how many characters it has.

Yes. Obviously that's why I mentioned it. Because maybe twitter is designed for bite-sized information and you would find out more information if you read...I don't know...more information. Or just keep being angry for no reason.

Oh OBVIOUSLY. It was so OBVIOUS that you didn't say what they were. Care to reveal what the proposed protections are, all-knowing master of information?

[Jedzz]

There is some risk for sure. There are decent odds the Rockets are still a playoff team over the next 5+ years. Tow of those picks are probably surly very late first.

I wouldn't care if they are late firsts. If this team is crashing we'll have a lotto pick anyway. And then a second chance at a player after we screw up the lotto pick. Sounds like money to me. As long as the first pisk isn't 3 years out yet.

I think of how the Celtics started amassing so many future firsts and what that did for them. It just gives you so many future options. Can use to move up or just a second chance at finding a player that year, or assets to trade for others.

[Jedzz]

With the Towns supermax and Wiggins max the team is probably going to be living or dying on how well they draft one player each year. If you want to keep any kind of vet presence on the team that will take remainders of cap. Will need draft talent on cheap deals that can play.

[Jedzz]

Those four first round picks are trash btw.

I've seen posters on the GB say it's like the Nets trade, but the difference is Houston is already nasty and are legit title contenders, so those first round picks will be trash.

The interesting part will be what Miami counters with if they even counter

Stars have come from late in the past. Jimmy Butler is a 30th pick. It doesn't really matter where the pick is if it's not a top 2 pick. Houston could tank for a decade and guarantee us top lotto picks on all four and it won't guarantee us good draft picks. Now, having two choices in the first round could change the odds on those drafts.

[big3_8_19_21]

Does Woj's article say anything about the protections on the picks? If not, then you completely missed my point and I don't care how many characters it has.

Yes. Obviously that's why I mentioned it. Because maybe twitter is designed for bite-sized information and you would find out more information if you read...I don't know...more information. Or just keep being angry for no reason.

Oh OBVIOUSLY. It was so OBVIOUS that you didn't say what they were. Care to reveal what the proposed protections are, all-knowing master of information?

Obviously it's in the article. Obviously you didn't make even half an attempt to gain the information before snapping. Obviously you can look it up yourself.

[Jedzz]

The real value in the deal would be the 2023 and 2025 picks, which almost have to be unprotected (since Houston could be pretty bad at that point and any protection would mean a good chance the picks never convey).

I wouldn't do the deal for any protected picks. Agree the chance of them not conveying nulls their value pretty hard for me. If they offer them unprotected they are value no matter where they fall in the round.

[vagelis]

Houston will be 1-3 seed in regular season for the next five years.
So, the picks will be very late first round.
I would pass to that offer.
We gave Dunn, Lavine, Markannen for Butler.
That is number 5,13,8 in draft.
It wouldn't be smart to replace them with 4 late first round picks.
I prefer one good player or draft pick than 4 bad or mediocre ones.
And furthermore, if I understand well Houston doesn't want to give anything from their current roster.
Eric Gordon should be at least in their offer in my opinion

[Bucketgetter]

Yes. Obviously that's why I mentioned it. Because maybe twitter is designed for bite-sized information and you would find out more information if you read...I don't know...more information. Or just keep being angry for no reason.

Oh OBVIOUSLY. It was so OBVIOUS that you didn't say what they were. Care to reveal what the proposed protections are, all-knowing master of information?

Obviously it's in the article. Obviously you didn't make even half an attempt to gain the information before snapping. Obviously you can look it up yourself.

Lol. Obviously I read the article. Obviously there weren't any specifics. Obviously you are talking out of the side of your neck.

[Jedzz]

Houston will be 1-3 seed in regular season for the next five years.
So, the picks will be very late first round.
I would pass to that offer.
We gave Dunn, Lavine, Markannen for Butler.
That is number 5,13,8 in draft.
It wouldn't be smart to replace the with 4 late first round picks.
I prefer one good player or draft pick than 4 bad or mediocre ones

That does put it into better perspective. But I still think you are not seeing enough value in 4 picks over time if they are unprotected. I think everyone is assuming a body or two is exchanged in this deal as well. Hopefully it doesn't mean we are saddled with any bad contracts.

[theGreatRC]

I don't want those picks & I doubt Thibs would accept that because he'd get fired before those picks were used.

Thibs is going to go after a trade that keeps them competitive and young; I still think he ends up in Miami in the next week or so

[PharmD]

Hence me saying if they get 1 or 2 lottery picks.

Anyways, in 7 years you'll be dealing with Towns having left Minnesota already with them missing the playoffs every year after Butler was traded.

That future is pretty much inevitable at this point. It's just that it would be nice to have a couple of extra picks for the re-re-re-rebuild.

Why not just pay Butler and keep building up? If Okogie works on his game and can add a decent shot to what he already has, maybe you move Wiggins for a very good vet or multiple good players from a team that's looking to rebuild. As much as we believe Wiggins is a bad value, there are some teams out there devoid of talent or desperate enough to make a move for him.

Dude, Jimmy doesn't want to be here and demanded a trade. Obviously i would prefer if Jimmy was willing to stay but he isn't and he made that incredibly clear to the whole world repeatedly.

[PharmD]

With the Towns supermax and Wiggins max the team is probably going to be living or dying on how well they draft one player each year. If you want to keep any kind of vet presence on the team that will take remainders of cap. Will need draft talent on cheap deals that can play.

you think Towns is gonna make an All-NBA team this year?

[PharmD]

Those four first round picks are trash btw.

I've seen posters on the GB say it's like the Nets trade, but the difference is Houston is already nasty and are legit title contenders, so those first round picks will be trash.

The interesting part will be what Miami counters with if they even counter

Stars have come from late in the past. Jimmy Butler is a 30th pick. It doesn't really matter where the pick is if it's not a top 2 pick. Houston could tank for a decade and guarantee us top lotto picks on all four and it won't guarantee us good draft picks. Now, having two choices in the first round could change the odds on those drafts.

[Jedzz]

I'm sort of getting pissed over the Lavine thing more and more by the day. He was the sort of guy that could have been picked where Wolves did or even much later, and look what kind of player he's turning out to be. The whole thinking that allstars only come from top 10 or top 5 or top 2 picks is exactly what made Lavine expendable and guys like Wiggins initially untradeable in some minds. I do believe more people need to change their thinking about the draft and these players after the draft process. The entire draft process is just a way of organizing fairness, it shouldn't control all these player's futures and all these fan's minds like it seems to.

[wablty]

Unless Thibs is ready to give up on the season the Wolves would need Gordon back in any Houston trade. Minnesota's just doesn't have the wing depth to trade Butler without getting a playable wing back.

As far as 1st round picks, the 2019 and 2021 Rockets picks are likely to be in the 20s, so their value is somewhat limited. The real value in the deal would be the 2023 and 2025 picks, which almost have to be unprotected (since Houston could be pretty bad at that point and any protection would mean a good chance the picks never convey).

Seems like Glen would have to be the one to make this trade. WTF does Thibs care about a 2025 draft pick? He'll be 6 years past being fired.

Will Glen be around in another 6 years?

He's 77 and he has a billion dollars. Yes. Given advancements in modern science, it's a better bet he makes it 20 more years than 5.

Presuming this is something like 3 unprotected firsts and a protected, or something to that effect, I think you have to take it. We aren't winning a championship. There is something wrong with the team. Reset, do it over, take the billion picks, and make it work.

[Jedzz]

Those four first round picks are trash btw.

I've seen posters on the GB say it's like the Nets trade, but the difference is Houston is already nasty and are legit title contenders, so those first round picks will be trash.

The interesting part will be what Miami counters with if they even counter

Stars have come from late in the past. Jimmy Butler is a 30th pick. It doesn't really matter where the pick is if it's not a top 2 pick. Houston could tank for a decade and guarantee us top lotto picks on all four and it won't guarantee us good draft picks. Now, having two choices in the first round could change the odds on those drafts.

Sure. And that has a lot to do with flawed people making decisions about who gets what minutes as well. For teams like the Timberwolves for example who start a guy name Wiggins for 35 minutes every game since inception and feed him 16 to 24 shots a game trying to force a circle into a star hole. Would you agree such choices skew that chart?

[PharmD]

Stars have come from late in the past. Jimmy Butler is a 30th pick. It doesn't really matter where the pick is if it's not a top 2 pick. Houston could tank for a decade and guarantee us top lotto picks on all four and it won't guarantee us good draft picks. Now, having two choices in the first round could change the odds on those drafts.

Sure. And that has a lot to do with flawed people making decisions about who gets what minutes as well. For teams like the Timberwolves for example who start a guy name Wiggins for 35 minutes every game since inception and feed him 16 to 24 shots a game trying to force a circle into a star hole. Would you agree such choices skew that chart?

no

[Jedzz]

Sure. And that has a lot to do with flawed people making decisions about who gets what minutes as well. For teams like the Timberwolves for example who start a guy name Wiggins for 35 minutes every game since inception and feed him 16 to 24 shots a game trying to force a circle into a star hole. Would you agree such choices skew that chart?

no

Enlighten me please.

Take Wiggins(1) example and put it against say Bates Diop (48th?).

One gets 35 minutes a game first 3 years, every single game. The other...wake me when he plays.

How does that not skew such a chart?

How does a player like Lavine(13) play second fiddle to a player like Wiggins(1) while here if Basketball is only about winning and putting the actual best players on the court? It's not. People are following charts like that and making mind numbing decisions.

If that chart had any real teeth to it, back when the Wolves had something like 4 or 5 top five picks on the roster at one time they would have had more than 25 wins. Facts are it's meaningless to make decisions off things like that.

[SparksFly87]

Robert Covington, Dario Saric , Jarred Bayless for Jimmy Butler .. A PF with upside in Saric and a 2nd D wing to compliment Wiggins.

[SparksFly87]

Robert Covington, Dario Saric , Jarred Bayless for Jimmy Butler .. A PF with upside in Saric and a 2nd D wing to compliment Wiggins.