Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[Pointgod]

^^^^^^^^
It’s like he has no idea what he’s hes talking about. He doesn’t even realize that the party he supports is literally against all of those things. The delusion is strong with this One

[stilldropin20]

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[queridiculo]

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That is a bit worrisome actually... I hope this expansion doesn't run out of steam too soon. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

It's also safe to say that companies aren't going to leverage to corp tax cuts to buy back stock forever.

[Wizardspride]

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[daoneandonly]

No. and you keep doing this. The liberal party has shown time and time again that they don't believe in accountability or even actions having consequences when compared to the conservative side.

Nonsense.

The right doesn't have exclusive domain over accountability and responsibility, you have to be a crazy fool to think that a majority of the voting public is an irresponsible bunch of jerks.

Easy examples, abortions, Obama's clemency power exceeding all others since Truman, certain views on immigration, etc.

Huh?

If SD, Indu, and whoever else bust their backside to make the money they have, why should that go to other people? We don't live in a commune here. There are people in his examples, just like several posts ago I mentioned a guy I went to HS with, so yeah knew his situation as he was just down the street from me, had everything I had, every opportunity afforded to him. What did he do, he spent pretty much every class period at Gaithersburg High school smoking weed at some parking lot or unattended corridor. Back when i used social media (maybe 2015/6), I saw a mutual friend like one of his posts applauding ACA and other Obama measures for helping him out.

Let me get this straight, Induveca and SD20 are the only ones busting their backsides, and the lazy liberal plebs are sitting back and want to reach in their pockets, do I have this right?

Again with the absurd over simplifications.

Wealth creation doesn't happen in a vacuum. You may not think that that we live in a "commune" but we all are part of a society.

It's this collection of people agreeing to be governed under the rules that were set forth by the founders of this experiment who built the foundation on which the success of the two people you single out here is built.

You and everybody else in this country is standing on the shoulders of others.

It's the collective sacrifices, hard work, commitment and suffering that make it possible for people to strive in this country today, some more than others.

The absurd notion of bootstrapping is a romantic view that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Socioeconomic mobility has been on a steady decline since the 80s and the question you should ask yourself as a conservative is how much of that has to do with concepts like trickle down economics, defunding of social programs, the worship of shareholder value over everything else, the decline of unions, lack of funding in the educational system, changes to the penal code, etc. etc.

No doubt some people who given a raw deal in life and deserve a hand up, but there are several others who made their bed through their own decisions, and no reason for others to have to pay the price for them.

This is where our views differ.

I'm not willing to leave people facing serious hardships behind just because some jokers may be gaming the system.

You seem far more willing to cast the first stone than anybody else you paint as amoral heathens.

It's 2018, many things have been done that people once thought impossible through science, technology, research etc. I think it stands to reason we can more adequately distinguish those who are truly in need vs those who game the system and/or are responsible for their predicament through their own choices. Would it be fail proof? of course not, nothing in life is, but it can be immensely improved for sure.

And I kepe seeing these PSAs for the Democratic candidates about using tax payer money to help with the opiod crisis? Really? That's where we are going to spend people's hard earned money? To help people who willingly decided to do drugs? This is not Cancer, Alzheimers, Demtnia, etc, drug use is a choice.

As easy as:

"queridi, want some oxy. Response; No thanks
"gtn, do some heroine with me" Response: Nah, I'm good man
"pointgod, interested in scoring some vicodine? Response: I can't say that I am
"daoneanonly, this will take the buzz off and fele good, try some" Response: No, I'm not into that stuff

Easy, peezy. But no, lets use other people's money to help people made a conscious bad decision.

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There are so many things un-American and so obviously wrong about Gingrich and what he said that it's just not worth responding to him. History will ultimately bury him in his reserved spot in hell.

[dckingsfan]

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That is a bit worrisome actually... I hope this expansion doesn't run out of steam too soon. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

It's also safe to say that companies aren't going to leverage to corp tax cuts to buy back stock forever.

The notion was that you could reduce corporate taxes, spur the economy and increase tax receipts - but then you wouldn't pull something stupid like reducing personal taxes at the same time. Or reducing them so that it would be revenue neutral which would have been easy to accomplish.

Instead, that put forth a stupid tax bill and then hiked spending wildly.

At the same time they let the elephant in the room (healthcare) grow - mostly because they have no intelligent policy on this matter.

They have had their chance and couldn't produce - next.

[dckingsfan]

The problem with Indu and SD's view is that it isn't saleable. If everyone goes out and works a second job for Uber - those wages would tank. And if everyone started flipping property (oh wait, we did that in 2008).

It also goes against what daoneandonly wants. Mothers raising their children. But by Indu and SD's view on this matter - all of those 20 and 30 year old kids should have two jobs. Not exactly what a single mother can do...

But that is what happens when you think of policy in anecdotal terms.

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[dobrojim]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

Do you even bother to read the articles that you posted? Or pay attention to the fact that Democrats are campaigning on everything you’ve mentioned while Republicans are campaigning on LIES about how they're in favor of keeping existing protections
for pre-existing conditions for health insurance buyers. In fact do you contribute anything to this thread of than being a Debbie downer?

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editorial note - Do these people understand the concept of audio, video and print recordings
of positions they've held in recent times?

[Ruzious]

The problem with Indu and SD's view is that it isn't saleable. If everyone goes out and works a second job for Uber - those wages would tank. And if everyone started flipping property (oh wait, we did that in 2008).

It also goes against what daoneandonly wants. Mothers raising their children. But by Indu and SD's view on this matter - all of those 20 and 30 year old kids should have two jobs. Not exactly what a single mother can do...

But that is what happens when you think of policy in anecdotal terms.

And to expect some young greenhorn who is already bogged down with 3 jobs is going to go in against experienced investors in this over-saturated day and age and be able to successfully flip houses and buildings is probably just a tad unrealistic. Some may succeed, but a lot more would likely end up in bankruptcy - and bankruptcy laws aren't as generous as they used to be.

[verbal8]

editorial note - Do these people understand the concept of audio, video and print recordings
of positions they've held in recent times?

I think they are making an incredibly cynical calculation that they won't get "caught" until it is too late. They also are acting out of a fair amount of desperation. The consequences of losing the House could be especially grave for Trump and the Republicans.

Basically they are trying to give their supporters enough to ignore legitimate attacks on their policies and vote for them any way.

[I_Like_Dirt]

But that is what happens when you think of policy in anecdotal terms.

Another BIG problem. While working that much will work for some, if you think there is a mental health problem now, wait until you see what happens if everyone starts working 80+ hours per week with no weekends or breaks or anything. I hope all those uber drivers and real estate flippers have health insurance and the cost of that health insurance doesn't cut into their profit margins. Or maybe they should just forego it and the fortunate ones who don't break down will win the pot and the others can deal with it? How much of the demand for illegal drugs is being fueled by lawyers and other professionals putting in ridiculous hours to start their careers before winding up with broken relationships but lots of money? There are massive societal costs to those kinds of suggestions that don't get factored into the calculation.

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Deplorable arrested, they aren’t too bright

[JWizmentality]

Conservative Logic

Sandy Hook children gunned down: False Flag. Actors

Climate Change: Fake News! It's cold outside

Maga idiot sending bombs: False Flag!


Child sex ring run out of pizza shop basement: Seems legit.

[TGW]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

Do you even bother to read the articles that you posted? Or pay attention to the fact that Democrats are campaigning on everything you’ve mentioned while Republicans are campaigning on their racist caravan garbage. In fact do you contribute anything to this thread of than being a Debbie downer?

1. You're a effin' bot who doesn't live in America

2. No, the Democrats are NOT campaigning on that. There are individual elected officials that are, but that is not the party's platform

3. Look how salty you are at the fact that the Russia conspiracy is about to die. There goes 2 years of your pathetic life spent peddling a conspiracy

4. put me on ignore. I'm putting you on ignore, because I don't care about anything you have to say, Pointbot

[dckingsfan]

But that is what happens when you think of policy in anecdotal terms.

Another BIG problem. While working that much will work for some, if you think there is a mental health problem now, wait until you see what happens if everyone starts working 80+ hours per week with no weekends or breaks or anything. I hope all those uber drivers and real estate flippers have health insurance and the cost of that health insurance doesn't cut into their profit margins. Or maybe they should just forego it and the fortunate ones who don't break down will win the pot and the others can deal with it? How much of the demand for illegal drugs is being fueled by lawyers and other professionals putting in ridiculous hours to start their careers before winding up with broken relationships but lots of money? There are massive societal costs to those kinds of suggestions that don't get factored into the calculation.

Boom...

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RIP False Flag narratives

[daoneandonly]

Conservative Logic

Sandy Hook children gunned down: False Flag. Actors

Climate Change: Fake News! It's cold outside

Maga idiot sending bombs: False Flag!


Child sex ring run out of pizza shop basement: Seems legit.

What a bunch of horse crap acting as if there's even a significant percentage of conservatives that believe that. Sandy Hook, that was as tragic as an event as it gets, I don't know of any conservatives that act as if its some conspiracy act. But I do find it ridiculous that liberals act as if they fele sad and mourn young little lives, when we already know how little they think of children at an even younger age, its called being pro choice.