Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[theGreatRC]

Would you rather have Waiters (3 years at $12 mil) or Brandon Knight ($2 years at $15 mil)?

Jason Richardson or 2021, 2023, 2025 HOU picks?

I'd rather take a chance on Josh Richardson, but prime Jason Richardson wouldn't be bad I guess.

I'm just tired of "the future" with this team, we tasted the playoffs for the first time in forever, and now we're going to accept 4 dog **** picks? Maybe one of them will be good down the line, but who really knows.

I want keep developing KAT/Wiggs/Okogie and i'd rather us get another young guy like Richardson and develop him too

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Rockets need to trade pj Tucker you want him HAVE HIM than the lineup will be

Paul-harden-butler-carmello-capella

It doesn't really matter who you put next to that 1 2 3 there going to be a top 2 seed regardless. Carmello has played the five so the four should be fine, i cut him at 25mpg can turn him into a spot up shooter 5-8 shots a game and they are set. Do twolves really want PJ Tucker? He seems like a Tim t type guy TAKE HIM. Houston doesn't need that one dimensional player anyway and getting a top 20 player in butler back, its a no brainer.

[Worm Guts]

I hope Glen Taylor understands that 4 picks is an investment.

I kinda like this perspective on the picks and on the trade decision as a whole. At this point, I think Glen knows he's probably not going to own the team for too much longer. Adding extra draft capital could probably make the team more attractive to prospective buyers than role players, which seems to be all we're getting in other rumored offers.

Not owning might mean trying to maximize value, it also might mean a focus on winning right now. I don’t think we know what’s going through Taylor’s head.

[theGreatRC]

Can we flip the 4 picks + contract for Kevin Love?? They should be going full tank mode and maybe they'll stock up on picks for the future?

[red96]

Rockets need to trade pj Tucker you want him HAVE HIM than the lineup will be

Paul-harden-butler-carmello-capella

It doesn't really matter who you put next to that 1 2 3 there going to be a top 2 seed regardless. Carmello has played the five so the four should be fine, i cut him at 25mpg can turn him into a spot up shooter 5-8 shots a game and they are set. Do twolves really want PJ Tucker? He seems like a Tim t type guy TAKE HIM. Houston doesn't need that one dimensional player anyway and getting a top 20 player in butler back, its a no brainer.

You couldn't be more wrong, imo. Its not about seedings, its about beating the Warriors, point blank. The Rockets need multiple wing defenders to realistically beat them. Tucker is 5 times more useful for Houston than he'd be for theWolves.

[Streakers33]

I’d be pushing super hard for it to be Gordon and not knight.. but I would also be shopping Gordon pretty hard to a team that needs his scoring punch and just move on..


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[KGdaBom]

If Houston really offered us 4 picks, we should at least "act" like we might take it. That would put pressure on Riley. But to say no thanks this early takes that pressure back off. Pretty sure ol Pat might have seen his window closing and give what Taylor wants, because I don't think there is an offer that would be good enough for Thibs.

Yeah to say not interested at all just makes no sense. I've been thinking that all day, but you posted my thought.

[shrink]

Pushing for Gordon or Tucker greatly reduces the value HOU gets from Jimmy Butler. They are willing to give all their future assets because they believe he will add just enough to get past the Warriors.

We would be taking Knight because he adds nothing to their attempt, and he is a financial anchor when they are over the lux. They need him gone to afford Jimmy’s next contract.

If you want more value, you try to get it by reducing the protections on picks, or getting the later ones fully unprotected, not by trying to take win-now players from the win-now Rockets.

[KGdaBom]

Pushing for Gordon or Tucker greatly reduces the value HOU gets from Jimmy Butler. They are willing to give all their future assets because they believe he will add just enough to get past the Warriors.

We would be taking Knight because he adds nothing to their attempt, and he is a financial anchor when they are over the lux. They need him gone to afford Jimmy’s next contract.

If you want more value, you try to get it by reducing the protections on picks, or getting the later ones fully unprotected, not by trying to take win-now players from the win-now Rockets.

With a healthy Paul the Rockets win the NBA title last year. Add Butler minus Gordon and the Warriors won't be easy, but they should be able to beat them.

[shrink]

Let me say one more thing.

Jimmy Butler May not make sense for half the league, but picks are currency that every team will value. We need to get enough currency, (and if the final picks have little or no protection, I think that’s enough), but even if you want to keep winning, the picks give you trade assets that any team would put some value upon.

[shrink]

Pushing for Gordon or Tucker greatly reduces the value HOU gets from Jimmy Butler. They are willing to give all their future assets because they believe he will add just enough to get past the Warriors.

We would be taking Knight because he adds nothing to their attempt, and he is a financial anchor when they are over the lux. They need him gone to afford Jimmy’s next contract.

If you want more value, you try to get it by reducing the protections on picks, or getting the later ones fully unprotected, not by trying to take win-now players from the win-now Rockets.

With a healthy Paul the Rockets win the NBA title last year. Add Butler-Gordon and the Warriors won't be easy, but they should be able to beat them.

Maybe, but I think the loss of Ariza and LRMAM is a big deal, and who knows how good Boogie will be by the playoffs?

I think that HOU lost last year’s window when Paul went down, and I admire Morey being willing to go for it, to add perhaps the one available piece that may get them a ring,

[wco81]

Morey has to g9 for it because Rockets are paying or will be soon, $80 million to two players.

Wolves aren’t paying that much to Wiggins and Towns but can they wait 5 years to get unprotected FRPs, if Houston is indeed willing to give up FRPs without protections!

[KGdaBom]

Let me say one more thing.

Jimmy Butler May not make sense for half the league, but picks are currency that every team will value. We need to get enough currency, (and if the final picks have little or no protection, I think that’s enough), but even if you want to keep winning, the picks give you trade assets that any team would put some value upon.

The picks can't have any protection Shrink. If the protection kicks in we lose the pick completely.

[Dalvin]

I'm more on just get a good trade done the soonest.
I just wanna see Towns snap out of his funk.

[King Malta]

If they're completely unprotected I'm on the 'it's a good deal' side.

Sure, 2/3 of the picks are probably late first round, but given the way we're going we'd probably have lottery picks in at least 1 of those drafts to supplement it. There's every chance you can hit on both (I know, Wolves be Wolves etc) or potentially package them for a better player or perhaps even use the later one to move one of our poorer deals.

By the time you're looking at the last pick (maybe even the second last one) you're looking at a team without Paul and potentially without Jimmy given his propensity to destroy locker rooms and alienate himself, not to mention he may not even re-sign there.

Chriss and Knight are pretty **** players to be getting back, I agree, but the picks could really help us. I'd still see what Miami's response is though

[shrink]

Let me say one more thing.

Jimmy Butler May not make sense for half the league, but picks are currency that every team will value. We need to get enough currency, (and if the final picks have little or no protection, I think that’s enough), but even if you want to keep winning, the picks give you trade assets that any team would put some value upon.

The picks can't have any protection Shrink. If the protection kicks in we lose the pick completely.

The Stepian Rule simply prevents a team from making a trade where it’s possible that they would not have a first rounder in the next two consecutive drafts. This does not mean they can’t be protected, simply that the protections can’t be for a future 1st next year. For example, if they set it the 2019 at Lottery Protected, and HOU ended in the lottery, it could be written to convert to:

A second rounder
Cash
Obligation extinguishes.

There are two other spins that wouldn’t surprise me. One would be that if a pick falls within protections, future picks face even looser protections. Another would be that this deal is for “up to four picks..”. If a pick falls within protections, then “the next available pick” is sent. Teams have done this in the past, including MIN when we traded with BOS.

Overall, I am saying it could be any of these, or a combination of any of them. The CBA allows very loose language for legal pick protections, to help teams make deals. It doesn’t have to be unprotected or nothing.

[KGdaBom]

Let me say one more thing.

Jimmy Butler May not make sense for half the league, but picks are currency that every team will value. We need to get enough currency, (and if the final picks have little or no protection, I think that’s enough), but even if you want to keep winning, the picks give you trade assets that any team would put some value upon.

The picks can't have any protection Shrink. If the protection kicks in we lose the pick completely.

The Stepian Rule simply prevents a team from making a trade where it’s possible that they would not have a first rounder in the next two consecutive drafts. This does not mean they can’t be protected, simply that the protections can’t be for a future 1st next year. For example, if they set it the 2019 at Lottery Protected, and HOU ended in the lottery, it could be written to convert to:

A second rounder
Cash
Obligation extinguishes.

There are two other spins that wouldn’t surprise me. One would be that if a pick falls within protections, future picks face even looser protections. Another would be that this deal is for “up to four picks..”. If a pick falls within protections, then “the next available pick” is sent. Teams have done this in the past, including MIN when we traded with BOS.

Overall, I am saying it could be any of these, or a combination of any of them. The CBA allows very loose language for legal pick protections, to help teams make deals. It doesn’t have to be unprotected or nothing.

Exactly my point. IF the protection kicks in we lose the first round pick completely. I don't consider a second rounder or Cash to be not losing the pick completely. It has to be UNPROTECTED OR NO DEAL.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

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Shaq and charles are both right. Theres enough blame to go around, but most of this mess falls on the organization.

[AirP.]

That future is pretty much inevitable at this point. It's just that it would be nice to have a couple of extra picks for the re-re-re-rebuild.

Why not just pay Butler and keep building up? If Okogie works on his game and can add a decent shot to what he already has, maybe you move Wiggins for a very good vet or multiple good players from a team that's looking to rebuild. As much as we believe Wiggins is a bad value, there are some teams out there devoid of talent or desperate enough to make a move for him.

Because he's said multiple times he's not going to sign here for one.
Secondly, KAT is the cornerstone of this franchise not butler and the two despise each other
Because when you have massive contracts it is very difficult to build effectively.
Third, Butler isn't a top 5 player. He's good, but he's not LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, Durant, AD, or Giannis.
He's basically the Damian Lillard of wings (and that's coming from a guy who loves Lillard)

1. Butler said in his ESPN interview things "could be fixed" but he said he doubts it happens, so there is a way to fix the situation.
2. Towns showing more and more he's just a scorer and rebounder and with that, not really a franchise player, just a good scorer.
3. Nope, Butler isn't a top 5 player, he's arguably a top 10, at least a top 15 player. I'd take 2 Butler type players for the next 6 years over Towns and Wiggins for the next 10. Wiggins will be done early once his athletic ability starts to decline in his early 30s.

Had Towns and Wiggins started showing some ability to be good defenders, maybe you'd have something but neither have done that at this point and their effort level on the court hasn't been good and it doesn't usually get better after players get paid.