What's a reasonable standard / NBA benchmark for 3rd string?

AT17 · Post #1 » by **AT17** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:55 am

I cringe alot on the Lorenzo Brown plays, and in his defense he did play decent in the final minutes of the game against Dallas. But overall not a fan - for the sake of my health watching him play.

But it got me thinking of assessing his role - traditionally, what has been the expectation or a reasonable standard for someone of a caliber of a 3rd string PG? Genuine question - I just think, we've traditionally harped on the performance of players who perform on court. And all-stars and backups are generally more visible. But among the who's who in the league, what's the sort of caliber of player that a 3rd string PG should aspire to be?

Boogie! · Post #2 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:14 am

AT17 wrote:I cringe alot on the Lorenzo Brown plays, and in his defense he did play decent in the final minutes of the game against Dallas. But overall not a fan - for the sake of my health watching him play.

But it got me thinking of assessing his role - traditionally, what has been the expectation or a reasonable standard for someone of a caliber of a 3rd string PG? Genuine question - I just think, we've traditionally harped on the performance of players who perform on court. And all-stars and backups are generally more visible. But among the who's who in the league, what's the sort of caliber of player that a 3rd string PG should aspire to be?

just based on watching the raptors for years now, 3rd stringers are pretty much useless...

back in the day, when we had **** teams, it was exciting just to see a fresh face out there. but they're usually pretty garbage. lorenzo brown fits the mold.

And1Skip · Post #3 » by **And1Skip** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:06 am

Lol um Zo Brown is the 4th stringer not 3rd. So to answer your question the Raps prob have the best 3rd PG in the NBA in Delon. What else do you want? How about Jalen Brunson then as a comparison, he is Dallas’ third string PG. Or next game vs Bucks? Dellevadova is their 3rd stringer. But let’s compare 4th stringers then. They are usually guys you never heard of.

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Jonas DeRoss · Post #4 » by **Jonas DeRoss** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:13 am

damn lots of lorenzo hate of late lmao

HitTheJ · Post #5 » by **HitTheJ** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:15 am

the Lorzenzo hate is **** wack

Gold Dragon · Post #6 » by **Gold Dragon** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:31 am

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/depth-charts

Most of them are guys you have never heard of and will be out of the league next year if not the year after.

Brown is fine for his role and provides what we need in that, someone the coach knows what he is getting and knows the system when our other guys are down. And someone who can be had for the league minimum. All our PGs have a reasonable injury risk.

This year is not the year to develop a future backup PG who may excite you with a few spectacular plays but drive coaches insane by being out of position and missing assignments.

Boogie! · Post #7 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:34 am

And1Skip wrote:Lol um Zo Brown is the 4th stringer not 3rd. So to answer your question the Raps prob have the best 3rd PG in the NBA in Delon. What else do you want? How about Jalen Brunson then as a comparison, he is Dallas’ third string PG. Or next game vs Bucks? Dellevadova is their 3rd stringer. But let’s compare 4th stringers then. They are usually guys you never heard of.

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You just called Delon a 3rd stringer... Please never post again.

And1Skip · Post #8 » by **And1Skip** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:48 am

Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:Lol um Zo Brown is the 4th stringer not 3rd. So to answer your question the Raps prob have the best 3rd PG in the NBA in Delon. What else do you want? How about Jalen Brunson then as a comparison, he is Dallas’ third string PG. Or next game vs Bucks? Dellevadova is their 3rd stringer. But let’s compare 4th stringers then. They are usually guys you never heard of.

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You just called Delon a 3rd stringer... Please never post again.

Wtf? Who is insulting him? I’m the biggest Delon fan there is. But in this team his role is backup SG borderline starter OR our 3rd option at PG. So what is the definition of 3rd string PG? It just so happens Raptors have the best in the NBA for 3rd option at PG. it’s just unfortunate that BOTH our 2nd and 3rd PGs are injured right now! So I’m just perplexed by what the OP is complaining about the 14th man on the roster. If a comparison is needed then he needs to compare Brown against other 14th man on other teams. Yes injuries suck. But at least we won the game with him playing 15 freaking minutes. Yeah we could have acquired Jamal Crawford but he wouldn’t come here at that time bc we have 3 starting caliber PGs! Let’s instead hope these two guys get healthy soon.

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Boogie! · Post #9 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:52 am

And1Skip wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:Lol um Zo Brown is the 4th stringer not 3rd. So to answer your question the Raps prob have the best 3rd PG in the NBA in Delon. What else do you want? How about Jalen Brunson then as a comparison, he is Dallas’ third string PG. Or next game vs Bucks? Dellevadova is their 3rd stringer. But let’s compare 4th stringers then. They are usually guys you never heard of.

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You just called Delon a 3rd stringer... Please never post again.

Wtf? Who is insulting him? I’m the biggest Delon fan there is. But in this team his role is backup SG borderline starter OR our 3rd option at PG. So what is the definition of 3rd string PG? It just so happens Raptors have the best in the NBA for 3rd option at PG. it’s just unfortunate that BOTH our 2nd and 3rd PGs are injured right now! So I’m just perplexed by what the OP is complaining about the 14th man on the roster. If a comparison is needed then he needs to compare Brown against other 14th man on other teams. Yes injuries suck. But at least we won the game with him playing 15 freaking minutes. Yeah we could have acquired Jamal Crawford but he wouldn’t come here at that time bc we have 3 starting caliber PGs! Let’s instead hope these two guys get healthy soon.

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A 3rd string PG is the guy who plays when the starter and backup are out. A guy that would never get minutes unless the regular rotation guys are out. Hence lorenzo brown. Delon is a regular part of the rotation, hence not a 3rd stringer. Technically in the rotation he's the backup 2 guard.

And1Skip · Post #10 » by **And1Skip** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:58 am

Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
You just called Delon a 3rd stringer... Please never post again.

Wtf? Who is insulting him? I’m the biggest Delon fan there is. But in this team his role is backup SG borderline starter OR our 3rd option at PG. So what is the definition of 3rd string PG? It just so happens Raptors have the best in the NBA for 3rd option at PG. it’s just unfortunate that BOTH our 2nd and 3rd PGs are injured right now! So I’m just perplexed by what the OP is complaining about the 14th man on the roster. If a comparison is needed then he needs to compare Brown against other 14th man on other teams. Yes injuries suck. But at least we won the game with him playing 15 freaking minutes. Yeah we could have acquired Jamal Crawford but he wouldn’t come here at that time bc we have 3 starting caliber PGs! Let’s instead hope these two guys get healthy soon.

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A 3rd string PG is the guy who plays when the starter and backup are out. A guy that would never get minutes unless the regular rotation guys are out. Hence lorenzo brown. Delon is a regular part of the rotation, hence not a 3rd stringer. Technically in the rotation he's the backup 2 guard.

But he would be the backup PG if he was healthy and FVV is injured just like the first round of last season’s playoffs. Just so happens he’s also injured. And I already did say he is the backup SG borderline starter so you don’t need to repeat. My point is to the OP is that we had the luxury of having 3 starting PGs in the roster. Why would we have a good rotation type player as our 4th PG when if it was like last season he’ll rarely play at all. I’m sorry my exaggeration makes people don’t get the sarcasm. Delon is not a 3rd stringer but the best 3rd option at PG in the league. I Apologize for the initial sarcastic profiling of him then.

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Boogie! · Post #11 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:11 am

And1Skip wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:

Wtf? Who is insulting him? I’m the biggest Delon fan there is. But in this team his role is backup SG borderline starter OR our 3rd option at PG. So what is the definition of 3rd string PG? It just so happens Raptors have the best in the NBA for 3rd option at PG. it’s just unfortunate that BOTH our 2nd and 3rd PGs are injured right now! So I’m just perplexed by what the OP is complaining about the 14th man on the roster. If a comparison is needed then he needs to compare Brown against other 14th man on other teams. Yes injuries suck. But at least we won the game with him playing 15 freaking minutes. Yeah we could have acquired Jamal Crawford but he wouldn’t come here at that time bc we have 3 starting caliber PGs! Let’s instead hope these two guys get healthy soon.

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A 3rd string PG is the guy who plays when the starter and backup are out. A guy that would never get minutes unless the regular rotation guys are out. Hence lorenzo brown. Delon is a regular part of the rotation, hence not a 3rd stringer. Technically in the rotation he's the backup 2 guard.

But he would be the backup PG if he was healthy and FVV is injured just like the first round of last season’s playoffs. Just so happens he’s also injured. And I already did say he is the backup SG borderline starter so you don’t need to repeat. My point is to the OP is that we had the luxury of having 3 starting PGs in the roster. Why would we have a good rotation type player as our 4th PG when if it was like last season he’ll rarely play at all. I’m sorry my exaggeration makes people don’t get the sarcasm. Delon is not a 3rd stringer but the best 3rd option at PG in the league. I Apologize for the initial sarcastic profiling of him then.

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By definition a 3rd stringer is tee backups backup. Starter is first string. Bench second. After that is third. Delon is part of the bench or second unit. By definition he is not a 3rd stringer.

Psubs · Post #12 » by **Psubs** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:11 am

Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:Lol um Zo Brown is the 4th stringer not 3rd. So to answer your question the Raps prob have the best 3rd PG in the NBA in Delon. What else do you want? How about Jalen Brunson then as a comparison, he is Dallas’ third string PG. Or next game vs Bucks? Dellevadova is their 3rd stringer. But let’s compare 4th stringers then. They are usually guys you never heard of.

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You just called Delon a 3rd stringer... Please never post again.

Delon is the backup SG and 3rd PG.

JCOdeah · Post #13 » by **JCOdeah** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:45 am

Well, the basic rule for any player at the 3rd string level is that if he has to go in, he should not make things worse than they already are. Because of his own fault I mean, like turnovers, stupid fouls, etc. It's one thing to be beaten by a better player, but something else to be beaten because you're ten feet out of position from where you were coached to be, for example.

AT17 · Post #14 » by **AT17** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 am

Lol the OP of this thread isn't complaining about anything. This is ridiculous. An

And1Skip wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
And1Skip wrote:

Wtf? Who is insulting him? I’m the biggest Delon fan there is. But in this team his role is backup SG borderline starter OR our 3rd option at PG. So what is the definition of 3rd string PG? It just so happens Raptors have the best in the NBA for 3rd option at PG. it’s just unfortunate that BOTH our 2nd and 3rd PGs are injured right now! So I’m just perplexed by what the OP is complaining about the 14th man on the roster. If a comparison is needed then he needs to compare Brown against other 14th man on other teams. Yes injuries suck. But at least we won the game with him playing 15 freaking minutes. Yeah we could have acquired Jamal Crawford but he wouldn’t come here at that time bc we have 3 starting caliber PGs! Let’s instead hope these two guys get healthy soon.

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A 3rd string PG is the guy who plays when the starter and backup are out. A guy that would never get minutes unless the regular rotation guys are out. Hence lorenzo brown. Delon is a regular part of the rotation, hence not a 3rd stringer. Technically in the rotation he's the backup 2 guard.

But he would be the backup PG if he was healthy and FVV is injured just like the first round of last season’s playoffs. Just so happens he’s also injured. And I already did say he is the backup SG borderline starter so you don’t need to repeat. My point is to the OP is that we had the luxury of having 3 starting PGs in the roster. Why would we have a good rotation type player as our 4th PG when if it was like last season he’ll rarely play at all. I’m sorry my exaggeration makes people don’t get the sarcasm. Delon is not a 3rd stringer but the best 3rd option at PG in the league. I Apologize for the initial sarcastic profiling of him then.

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Okay I may have got my depth charts wrong, but sure, he's more of a 4th string. But I stand corrected.

I'm not complaining about anything. In actuality the spirit behind my comment was to genuinely ask a player of Lorenzo browns role is comparatively normal in the overall comparisons of other 14th bench players. If we look at this as an overall picture, does it stand to expect Lorenzo to be playing at the level he should be, or not, rather than compare him at the starting or other depth levels.

And1Skip · Post #15 » by **And1Skip** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:07 pm

AT17 wrote:Lol the OP of this thread isn't complaining about anything. This is ridiculous.

Okay I may have got my depth charts wrong, but sure, he's more of a 4th string. But I stand corrected.

I'm not complaining about anything. In actuality the spirit behind my comment was to genuinely ask a player of Lorenzo browns role is comparatively normal in the overall comparisons of other 14th bench players. If we look at this as an overall picture, does it stand to expect Lorenzo to be playing at the level he should be, or not, rather than compare him at the starting or other depth levels.

Gotcha my bad, read over your post again and took it out of context. Anyways on that topic, I thought it was interesting what FVV said to Lorenzo at half time that motivated him to perform the way he did in the 4th quarter. You’re right in that up to Friday night’s game, his performance has been dreadful with the big league club that’s comparable to other 3rd or 4th string players that likely will never stay with the club and be soon out of the league (see Kay Felder who ironically is on the 905 roster now). Man FVV will be a head coach in this league some day.

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XxIronChainzxX · Post #16 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:10 pm

AT17 wrote:I cringe alot on the Lorenzo Brown plays, and in his defense he did play decent in the final minutes of the game against Dallas. But overall not a fan - for the sake of my health watching him play.

But it got me thinking of assessing his role - traditionally, what has been the expectation or a reasonable standard for someone of a caliber of a 3rd string PG? Genuine question - I just think, we've traditionally harped on the performance of players who perform on court. And all-stars and backups are generally more visible. But among the who's who in the league, what's the sort of caliber of player that a 3rd string PG should aspire to be?

The standard is "player who is not so awful that giving him minutes blows up your lead." You want a bench that can hold serve, maybe even add a few points. Our bench mob was bonkers last year, and we've always had a good bench this run. But usually you want your 2nd unit to hold serve or widen the gap a little as an ideal. If you're getting into the 3rd string you're just hoping they don't **** it up too badly.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #17 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:43 am

not going to lie, when Lorenzo Brown isn't forcing his game against NBA calibre defenses, he's a decent 4th stringer. yes - thats right he's the 4th PG on this team. he's capable but i wouldn't give him too many minutes. He'll probably be a streaky hot in 1 game out of 20.

but what he did after he settled in last game, that was great.

Zeno · Post #18 » by **Zeno** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:57 am

Lorenzo Brown is a perfect 14th/15th man in that he doesn't expect to play much, is liked by his teammates and is capable of eating a few minutes in a desperate situation.

Lateral Quicks · Post #19 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:38 am

A reasonable standard is someone with at least one NBA rotation-calibre skill but also one or more fundamental flaws that keeps them from getting rotation minutes on a healthy team. Lo Brown's NBA skill seems to be defense. His shot and play-making are not yet NBA calibre, but he's still pretty young so who knows.

If Delon we're healthy himself we'd be seeing little of any Lo Brown, so I think it's fair to say he's a 4th string PG, though in terms of pure PGs yes he'd be a 3rd string.