Kevin Love's Only Question In Extension Talks Was Whether Cavs Planned To Tank

[cheese318]

thats true I guess...but tbh I might rather have non guaranteed 2nds to use on cheap bench players down the road than waste the $ on a meh player in the first round in 2019... I mean if the pick falls between 12-16 you could get lucky, but it's more likely 17-21

I prefer first round picks. They are a much higher trade value plus I prefer a top 20 player in a draft over a top 40-50 player in draft. Just my assessment. Donovan Mitchell was a teener in the lottery. Odds become so much higher when you draft in the 2nd round to find a talent of that magnitude. Jimmy Butler was a very late first round pick (30th overall) so again give me those firsts any day of the week. The thought of wanting 2nd’s over 1st’s is downright crazy

I prefer to pay less for the same talent level prospect at 31 , this draft class at 20 -30 can't be that much better than 31-40 it's all boom bust or low ceiling upper classmen at that point.

Same talent? You sound like a Walmart shopper lol. Get your head out of the clouds. If you can get a top 20 pick you take it. As much as you love your second rounders you do realize how often they never make it to the league correct? This draft class we just had was very good from the looks of it. I just don’t get how you are blinded by the idea of getting a chance to find a talent level of Butler or Mitchell later in the first round compared to finding someone like that in the second. It’s outrageously weighted favor for the first rounder to become a star. This league is about stars. I’d rather take a chance on a star


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[Stillwater]

I prefer first round picks. They are a much higher trade value plus I prefer a top 20 player in a draft over a top 40-50 player in draft. Just my assessment. Donovan Mitchell was a teener in the lottery. Odds become so much higher when you draft in the 2nd round to find a talent of that magnitude. Jimmy Butler was a very late first round pick (30th overall) so again give me those firsts any day of the week. The thought of wanting 2nd’s over 1st’s is downright crazy

I prefer to pay less for the same talent level prospect at 31 , this draft class at 20 -30 can't be that much better than 31-40 it's all boom bust or low ceiling upper classmen at that point.

Same talent? You sound like a Walmart shopper lol. Get your head out of the clouds. If you can get a top 20 pick you take it. As much as you love your second rounders you do realize how often they never make it to the league correct? This draft class we just had was very good from the looks of it. I just don’t get how you are blinded by the idea of getting a chance to find a talent level of Butler or Mitchell later in the first round compared to finding someone like that in the second. It’s outrageously weighted favor for the first rounder to become a star. This league is about stars. I’d rather take a chance on a star


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I bet there are no more than 3 all stars that come out of this draft class. I highly doubt any of them are picked outside the lottery.
So I will take the sure thing role player at 31-40 for less money than overpay for the next Maker or worse the same level role player that is there in the 2nd.
Not all drafts are this weak.

[cheese318]

I prefer to pay less for the same talent level prospect at 31 , this draft class at 20 -30 can't be that much better than 31-40 it's all boom bust or low ceiling upper classmen at that point.

Same talent? You sound like a Walmart shopper lol. Get your head out of the clouds. If you can get a top 20 pick you take it. As much as you love your second rounders you do realize how often they never make it to the league correct? This draft class we just had was very good from the looks of it. I just don’t get how you are blinded by the idea of getting a chance to find a talent level of Butler or Mitchell later in the first round compared to finding someone like that in the second. It’s outrageously weighted favor for the first rounder to become a star. This league is about stars. I’d rather take a chance on a star


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I bet there are no more than 3 all stars that come out of this draft class. I highly doubt any of them are picked outside the lottery.
So I will take the sure thing role player at 31-40 for less money than overpay for the next Maker or worse the same level role player that is there in the 2nd.
Not all drafts are this weak.

It’s not our money so why do we really care what a player is making. The most importantp thing is getting talent on the team. And for years that talent we speak of comes in the first round. I thought I heard it all but this tipped the scale. Preference to 2nd rounders over first rounders in a stars league. The owners agree and would like to rid the first round from the draft to save on salaries league wide. Let’s make this a new rule This is not the NFL where stars are abundant throughout all seven rounds. It’s just kind of shortsighted when it comes to anything the Cleveland Cavaliers. Always fighting for Dan Gilbert’s honor. Thinking this team is a playoff team. Remember this

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.




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[Stillwater]

Same talent? You sound like a Walmart shopper lol. Get your head out of the clouds. If you can get a top 20 pick you take it. As much as you love your second rounders you do realize how often they never make it to the league correct? This draft class we just had was very good from the looks of it. I just don’t get how you are blinded by the idea of getting a chance to find a talent level of Butler or Mitchell later in the first round compared to finding someone like that in the second. It’s outrageously weighted favor for the first rounder to become a star. This league is about stars. I’d rather take a chance on a star


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I bet there are no more than 3 all stars that come out of this draft class. I highly doubt any of them are picked outside the lottery.
So I will take the sure thing role player at 31-40 for less money than overpay for the next Maker or worse the same level role player that is there in the 2nd.
Not all drafts are this weak.

It’s not our money so why do we really care what a player is making. The most importantp thing is getting talent on the team. And for years that talent we speak of comes in the first round. I thought I heard it all but this tipped the scale. Preference to 2nd rounders over first rounders in a stars league. The owners agree and would like to rid the first round from the draft to save on salaries league wide. Let’s make this a new rule This is not the NFL where stars are abundant throughout all seven rounds. It’s just kind of shortsighted when it comes to anything the Cleveland Cavaliers. Always fighting for Dan Gilbert’s honor. Thinking this team is a playoff team. Remember this

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.




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Yep it's a Stars league and this is a draft that won't have any anywhere after the lottery .Go get a pencil sharpener.
It's pretty foolish to assume that teams won't be ditching late firsts this season.
Do you really think your bold print makes it true? Gomd... LeBron is gone blablabla Cavs bashing is weak, check your emotions at the door pal no ody gives a crap.and your trolling has been reported.

[dice]

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

Cut out the personal attacks

[Stillwater]

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

nice creativity
its way to soon to know what this team is or isn't period.
using some of that logic I suppose you also think Detroit is a lock to contend in the East,Orlando is a sure fire playoff team and OKC will be in the bottom of the Western standings...
5 games is way too small to start pretending my prediction is as you say homerish.
You've offered nothing here that is at all persuading for me to think other than what I did before the season started. The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game. I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

[cheese318]

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

Cut out the personal attacks

We use to discuss the Cavaliers a lot last season for the record many times. I don’t understand how you don’t recall our conversations as you always defended Daniel Gilbert and we would go back and forth so to call me a troll is beyond ridiculous. We had many discussions last year in regards to Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James. It’s unfortunate that you see me being passionate about the NBA into trolling you. I personally have an opinion and do not agree with your opinion. I thought that was in regards to what forums bring fans together to discuss.

Let’s actually discuss in this fairy tale world who this team could beat in a series in the playoffs. It’s almost as crazy as wanting second round picks over first round picks

[Stillwater]

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

Cut out the personal attacks

We use to discuss the Cavaliers a lot last season for the record many times. I don’t understand how you don’t recall our conversations as you always defended Daniel Gilbert and we would go back and forth so to call me a troll is beyond ridiculous. We had many discussions last year in regards to Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James. It’s unfortunate that you see me being passionate about the NBA into trolling you. I personally have an opinion and do not agree with your opinion. I thought that was in regards to what forums bring fans together to discuss.

Let’s actually discuss in this fairy tale world who this team could beat in a series in the playoffs. It’s almost as crazy as wanting second round picks over first round picks

2 high 2nd rounders is worth more to CLE this summer than 1 guaranteed deal at 25. Sure if you assume this draft is like last years where those 5-10 pick spots make a huge difference, but it looks to be as bad if not worse than 2013 draft. At that point you have to ask yourself just how much $ towards the cap is a prospect worth and too me a negotiated deal instead of set amount is a no brainer.They could essentially get 2 role players for the price of one.

[cheese318]

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

Cut out the personal attacks

We use to discuss the Cavaliers a lot last season for the record many times. I don’t understand how you don’t recall our conversations as you always defended Daniel Gilbert and we would go back and forth so to call me a troll is beyond ridiculous. We had many discussions last year in regards to Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James. It’s unfortunate that you see me being passionate about the NBA into trolling you. I personally have an opinion and do not agree with your opinion. I thought that was in regards to what forums bring fans together to discuss.

Let’s actually discuss in this fairy tale world who this team could beat in a series in the playoffs. It’s almost as crazy as wanting second round picks over first round picks

2 high 2nd rounders is worth more to CLE this summer than 1 guaranteed deal at 25. Sure if you assume this draft is like last years where those 5-10 pick spots make a huge difference, but it looks to be as bad if not worse than 2013 draft. At that point you have to ask yourself just how much $ towards the cap is a prospect worth and too me a negotiated deal instead of set amount is a no brainer.They could essentially get 2 role players for the price of one.

Again I prefer talent. You are going to lose this argument. Anyone would prefer a top 20 talent over two seconds. Especially depending where the seconds are. Let’s say one is #34. And the other is #48. I would take the #22 pick over both of those because I am getting a top player. Sometimes players drop. So essentially this could be a top10 player that passed through the cracks to #22. That rarely happens in the second round unless they come from europe and are stashed for years. Just my preference. Especially when it comes to trade value as well. My first round pick is a much better asset than the two seconds


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[dice]

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

nice creativity

creativity? wtf are you talking about? you said the cavs were clearly a playoff team. nobody can figure out what kind of creativity brought to that conclusion

its way to soon to know what this team is or isn't period.

it's NOT too soon to know that they're not "CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM"

using some of that logic I suppose you also think Detroit is a lock to contend in the East,Orlando is a sure fire playoff team and OKC will be in the bottom of the Western standings...

no, those are the kinds of absurd overstatements that YOU are wont to make. i don't do that. like most people, i recognize that detroit's start makes them likely to make the playoffs, but beyond that is a reach. they have been winning close games. there's luck involved there. OKC's slow start merely makes it less likely that they will be a top seed in the west. and orlando winning a couple of games means virtually nothing. cleveland getting off to a downright embarrassing start only makes your already absurd suggestion that they are CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM all the more absurd

5 games is way too small to start pretending my prediction is as you say homerish.

it was obviously homerish at the 0 game mark. CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM? completely laughable suggestion from the get-go

You've offered nothing here that is at all persuading for me to think other than what I did before the season started.

it shouldn't take anything i have said to do that. watching your team's pitiful performances should have been more than enough to do the trick. losing lebron should have been more than enough to know that this years cavs are not CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM

The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game.

solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought

I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)

[Stillwater]

actually, a HORRIFIC start to the season DOES mean a whole lot to a team desiring to make the playoffs but projected to be on the outside looking in to begin with. basic logic

the cavs are ALREADY almost dead in the stillwater and you said they were a CLEAR PLAYOFF TEAM. only a troll/massively delusional homer would continue to suggest that at this point. any rational observer would admit that they look like one of the worst teams in history so far. CLEARLY NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. and any sane person who made the suggestion you did would put his tail between his legs, wave the white flag and slink quietly into the night, not continue to yap

please tell us who the cavs are "clearly" going to leapfrog to get into the playoffs. the pistons? the heat, wiz or pacers? get serious. it's hard to even see them passing up the hornets to get into the 9 slot at this point. can they even get past a bad nets team that just abused the host cavs?

such, SUCH lebron disrespect

nice creativity

creativity? wtf are you talking about? you said the cavs were clearly a playoff team. nobody can figure out what kind of creative substances you are imbibing to come to that conclusion

its way to soon to know what this team is or isn't period.

it's NOT too soon to know that they're not "CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM"

using some of that logic I suppose you also think Detroit is a lock to contend in the East,Orlando is a sure fire playoff team and OKC will be in the bottom of the Western standings...

no, those are the kinds of absurd overstatements that YOU are wont to make. i am, on the contrary, a rational human being. like most people, i recognize that detroit's start makes them likely to make the playoffs, but beyond that is a reach. they have been winning close games. there's luck involved there. OKC's slow start merely makes it less likely that they will be a top seed in the west. and orlando winning a couple of games means virtually nothing. cleveland getting off to a downright embarrassing start only makes your already absurd suggestion that they are CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM all the more absurd

your use of basic logic is severely lacking

5 games is way too small to start pretending my prediction is as you say homerish.

it was obviously homerish at the 0 game mark. CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM? completely laughable suggestion from the get-go

You've offered nothing here that is at all persuading for me to think other than what I did before the season started.

it shouldn't take anything i have said to do that. watching your team's pitiful performances should have been more than enough to do the trick. losing lebron should have been more than enough to know that this years cavs are not CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM

The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game.[/quote]
solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought

I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)[/quote]
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I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.
I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury. I don't see the point in being so angry about what the potential outcomes are at all esp with such a ltd window. I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

[dice]

I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.

you obviously don't pay the slightest attention to what i actually say. the ONLY thing i have said is that saying that the cavs are CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM (your words) is absurd. and even after a pitiful 0-5 start you still refuse to acknowledge that

I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team

alright. believe what you want to believe regardless of all evidence to the contrary. just don't put money on it

and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards...

never suggested that any of those teams were great. yet another misrepresentation on your part

...followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury

so which is more of a sure thing - griffin injury or the cavs making the playoffs? i'll tell you which is far, far more LIKELY - a griffin injury. and the cavs are gonna need more than one major injury on other teams to make the playoffs...while avoiding major injuries of their own (ALSO far from a sure thing)

I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

complete fabrication. if the cavs were 5-0 i'd be saying that they are quite possibly a playoff team. i said in my very first response to you in this threat that they were POSSIBLY BUT UNLIKELY a playoff team. but you only hear what you want to hear

the reality is that there are really only 3 sure things to make the playoffs in the east - celtics, sixers and raptors (no particular order). it would take extraordinary events for any of them to miss out (multiple major injuries). no other team should be all that confident. certainly not the cleveland cavs

[cheese318]

nice creativity

creativity? wtf are you talking about? you said the cavs were clearly a playoff team. nobody can figure out what kind of creative substances you are imbibing to come to that conclusion

its way to soon to know what this team is or isn't period.

it's NOT too soon to know that they're not "CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM"

using some of that logic I suppose you also think Detroit is a lock to contend in the East,Orlando is a sure fire playoff team and OKC will be in the bottom of the Western standings...

no, those are the kinds of absurd overstatements that YOU are wont to make. i am, on the contrary, a rational human being. like most people, i recognize that detroit's start makes them likely to make the playoffs, but beyond that is a reach. they have been winning close games. there's luck involved there. OKC's slow start merely makes it less likely that they will be a top seed in the west. and orlando winning a couple of games means virtually nothing. cleveland getting off to a downright embarrassing start only makes your already absurd suggestion that they are CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM all the more absurd

your use of basic logic is severely lacking

5 games is way too small to start pretending my prediction is as you say homerish.

it was obviously homerish at the 0 game mark. CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM? completely laughable suggestion from the get-go

You've offered nothing here that is at all persuading for me to think other than what I did before the season started.

it shouldn't take anything i have said to do that. watching your team's pitiful performances should have been more than enough to do the trick. losing lebron should have been more than enough to know that this years cavs are not CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM

The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game.

solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought

I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)[/quote]
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I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.
I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury. I don't see the point in being so angry about what the potential outcomes are at all esp with such a ltd window. I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

I think you are a troll at this point. The Cavs are a lottery team. You really need to start seeing the big picture. Everyone else can see it but you. Kind of delusional. If the Cavs were 5-0 he wouldn’t have as much to backup his statement which is why both of us want to bang our heads against the wall when you keep arguing that this team is any good after LeBron James left


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[Stillwater]

creativity? wtf are you talking about? you said the cavs were clearly a playoff team. nobody can figure out what kind of creative substances you are imbibing to come to that conclusion


it's NOT too soon to know that they're not "CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM"


no, those are the kinds of absurd overstatements that YOU are wont to make. i am, on the contrary, a rational human being. like most people, i recognize that detroit's start makes them likely to make the playoffs, but beyond that is a reach. they have been winning close games. there's luck involved there. OKC's slow start merely makes it less likely that they will be a top seed in the west. and orlando winning a couple of games means virtually nothing. cleveland getting off to a downright embarrassing start only makes your already absurd suggestion that they are CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM all the more absurd

your use of basic logic is severely lacking


it was obviously homerish at the 0 game mark. CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM? completely laughable suggestion from the get-go


it shouldn't take anything i have said to do that. watching your team's pitiful performances should have been more than enough to do the trick. losing lebron should have been more than enough to know that this years cavs are not CLEARLY A PLAYOFF TEAM

The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game.

solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought

I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)

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I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.
I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury. I don't see the point in being so angry about what the potential outcomes are at all esp with such a ltd window. I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

I think you are a troll at this point. The Cavs are a lottery team. You really need to start seeing the big picture. Everyone else can see it but you. Kind of delusional. If the Cavs were 5-0 he wouldn’t have as much to backup his statement which is why both of us want to bang our heads against the wall when you keep arguing that this team is any good after LeBron James left


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The fact you think the product on the floor isn't a work in progress given the system changes and just is bad period says all I need to know about your lack of knowledge overall. Go back to whatever it is you do whenever you aren't pretending to know something.

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The Cavs are starting off slower than I had hoped, but are making solid improvement every game.

solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought

I never once said the season would be summed up in 5 games, who ever would is clueless.

nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)

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I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.
I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury. I don't see the point in being so angry about what the potential outcomes are at all esp with such a ltd window. I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

I think you are a troll at this point. The Cavs are a lottery team. You really need to start seeing the big picture. Everyone else can see it but you. Kind of delusional. If the Cavs were 5-0 he wouldn’t have as much to backup his statement which is why both of us want to bang our heads against the wall when you keep arguing that this team is any good after LeBron James left


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The fact you think the product on the floor isn't a work in progress given the system changes and just is bad period says all I need to know about your lack of knowledge overall. Go back to whatever it is you do whenever you aren't pretending to know something.

Are you serious? I probably know more about basketball and sports than you do so check yourself at the door. I point out the obvious. You are a dreamer obviously and a big fan which is how you can tell your emotions are too involved in your opinions. Best of luck during the season but when we get closer to all star break I’ll reach out to you for the excuses why this team isn’t in the playoff hunt like you predicted.

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solid improvement got you to a blowout loss at home to the nets in game 4? you can't be serious. if that's true they're in even deeper **** than i thought


nobody said you did and nobody would. strawman argument

wizards, pistons, heat, pacers. are you going to tell us which team(s) the cavs are CLEARLY going to finish ahead of in the standings or aren't you? because they would have to be CLEARLY better than at least one of them for your ridiculous prediction to make any sense (if even in your own mind)

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I don't know if I should laugh or golf clap with a pair of flippers meanwhile making seal sounds with my ass at that performance... you got nothing to dispute after 5 games which mean squat as an indicator of what the Cavs are capable of.
I guarantee the Cavs are a playoff team and I would not be the least bit surprised if the first team to drop out of you group of great teams was the Wizards followed by the Pistons who will certainly suffer another Griffin injury. I don't see the point in being so angry about what the potential outcomes are at all esp with such a ltd window. I mean the Cavs could be 5-0 and you still would say they are not a po team.

I think you are a troll at this point. The Cavs are a lottery team. You really need to start seeing the big picture. Everyone else can see it but you. Kind of delusional. If the Cavs were 5-0 he wouldn’t have as much to backup his statement which is why both of us want to bang our heads against the wall when you keep arguing that this team is any good after LeBron James left


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The fact you think the product on the floor isn't a work in progress given the system changes and just is bad period says all I need to know about your lack of knowledge overall. Go back to whatever it is you do whenever you aren't pretending to know something.

Are you serious? I probably know more about basketball and sports than you do so check yourself at the door. I point out the obvious. You are a dreamer obviously and a big fan which is how you can tell your emotions are too involved in your opinions. Best of luck during the season but when we get closer to all star break I’ll reach out to you for the excuses why this team isn’t in the playoff hunt like you predicted.

emotions are your thing and you wear them proudly... clearly stated above.

[cheese318]

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I think you are a troll at this point. The Cavs are a lottery team. You really need to start seeing the big picture. Everyone else can see it but you. Kind of delusional. If the Cavs were 5-0 he wouldn’t have as much to backup his statement which is why both of us want to bang our heads against the wall when you keep arguing that this team is any good after LeBron James left


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The fact you think the product on the floor isn't a work in progress given the system changes and just is bad period says all I need to know about your lack of knowledge overall. Go back to whatever it is you do whenever you aren't pretending to know something.

Are you serious? I probably know more about basketball and sports than you do so check yourself at the door. I point out the obvious. You are a dreamer obviously and a big fan which is how you can tell your emotions are too involved in your opinions. Best of luck during the season but when we get closer to all star break I’ll reach out to you for the excuses why this team isn’t in the playoff hunt like you predicted.

emotions are your thing and you wear them proudly... clearly stated above.

Lol. When the discussion is about LBJ I would agree. I could careless about the Cavaliers. I am basing my opinion on my assessment of what I see on the court. The roster management in place as well is a major factor. We have never witnessed Tyrone Lue win without LeBron James. That’s a major factor to take notice. Same thing happened in Miami with Spo. He turned out to be a great coach imo. He has not won in terms of titles since the roster has been in flux but he has proved he can manage a winning team to the playoffs. Usually you need stars to increase the chances to win a round in the playoffs.

I just thought the idea of this Cavaliers team winning a round in the playoffs was absolutely incredulous. PHI, BOS, TOR & MIL would walk all over this Cavs team. Again like I said I will make sure to follow up with you around all star break and we can discuss. I hope you are right and the Cavaliers make steady progress as you believe is coming but as a fan of the NBA I just don’t see what you are seeing on the court right now. How come Sexton is not a starter? Why does Zizic not get much time? Those are the guys I would be playing especially if they keep losing. I always wanted to see more of Zizic last year as well as Osman. Billy Preston as well should get some burn. Guy might be a really great steal for Cleveland. Top12 prospect coming out of HS. Signed as an undrafted free agent. That was my favorite move by Koby Altman. Cavs should have went for the homerun and drafted Michael Porter Jr. Sexton could be very good but I would prefer to go after a big star and MPJ has a chance to be a star in this league. He also has a chance to be a major injury concern so I understand being safe with the pick but I would have tried to go for it as long as the doctors signed off.

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Are you serious? I probably know more about basketball and sports than you do so check yourself at the door. I point out the obvious. You are a dreamer obviously and a big fan which is how you can tell your emotions are too involved in your opinions. Best of luck during the season but when we get closer to all star break I’ll reach out to you for the excuses why this team isn’t in the playoff hunt like you predicted.

emotions are your thing and you wear them proudly... clearly stated above.

Lol. When the discussion is about LBJ I would agree. I could careless about the Cavaliers. I am basing my opinion on my assessment of what I see on the court. The roster management in place as well is a major factor. We have never witnessed Tyrone Lue win without LeBron James. That’s a major factor to take notice. Same thing happened in Miami with Spo. He turned out to be a great coach imo. He has not won in terms of titles since the roster has been in flux but he has proved he can manage a winning team to the playoffs. Usually you need stars to increase the chances to win a round in the playoffs.

I just thought the idea of this Cavaliers team winning a round in the playoffs was absolutely incredulous. PHI, BOS, TOR & MIL would walk all over this Cavs team. Again like I said I will make sure to follow up with you around all star break and we can discuss. I hope you are right and the Cavaliers make steady progress as you believe is coming but as a fan of the NBA I just don’t see what you are seeing on the court right now. How come Sexton is not a starter? Why does Zizic not get much time? Those are the guys I would be playing especially if they keep losing. I always wanted to see more of Zizic last year as well as Osman. Billy Preston as well should get some burn. Guy might be a really great steal for Cleveland. Top12 prospect coming out of HS. Signed as an undrafted free agent. That was my favorite move by Koby Altman. Cavs should have went for the homerun and drafted Michael Porter Jr. Sexton could be very good but I would prefer to go after a big star and MPJ has a chance to be a star in this league. He also has a chance to be a major injury concern so I understand being safe with the pick but I would have tried to go for it as long as the doctors signed off.

Unfortunately Ty Lue was a the scape goat for the bad play


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[Stillwater]

emotions are your thing and you wear them proudly... clearly stated above.

Lol. When the discussion is about LBJ I would agree. I could careless about the Cavaliers. I am basing my opinion on my assessment of what I see on the court. The roster management in place as well is a major factor. We have never witnessed Tyrone Lue win without LeBron James. That’s a major factor to take notice. Same thing happened in Miami with Spo. He turned out to be a great coach imo. He has not won in terms of titles since the roster has been in flux but he has proved he can manage a winning team to the playoffs. Usually you need stars to increase the chances to win a round in the playoffs.

I just thought the idea of this Cavaliers team winning a round in the playoffs was absolutely incredulous. PHI, BOS, TOR & MIL would walk all over this Cavs team. Again like I said I will make sure to follow up with you around all star break and we can discuss. I hope you are right and the Cavaliers make steady progress as you believe is coming but as a fan of the NBA I just don’t see what you are seeing on the court right now. How come Sexton is not a starter? Why does Zizic not get much time? Those are the guys I would be playing especially if they keep losing. I always wanted to see more of Zizic last year as well as Osman. Billy Preston as well should get some burn. Guy might be a really great steal for Cleveland. Top12 prospect coming out of HS. Signed as an undrafted free agent. That was my favorite move by Koby Altman. Cavs should have went for the homerun and drafted Michael Porter Jr. Sexton could be very good but I would prefer to go after a big star and MPJ has a chance to be a star in this league. He also has a chance to be a major injury concern so I understand being safe with the pick but I would have tried to go for it as long as the doctors signed off.

Unfortunately Ty Lue was a the scape goat for the bad play


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Unless they continue the fast pace and be patient with the process under Drew or another coach then my feelings about the direction of this team are completely blown out of the water. tbh at this point they might as well tank by dumping all the vets because I can't see them continuing the same plan after this move. Gilbert needs be fired