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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#101 » by pylb » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:41 pm

Forgot to give props to Hutchison. He didn't look like much to me in SL, but so far in real games, he looks like a guy who'll be able to stick around in the league as a bench wing, which is pretty good for a 22nd pick. Needs to put in work on his shot this offseason.

Carter on offense is deferring too much, thinking too much, and rushing too much. He's still very young, hopefully by next year he'll be steadier on offense. Reminds me of rookie Portis in a way, who didn't know when and where to pick his spots.
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Post#102 » by The Force. » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:45 pm

LaVine and Dunn are two of the most turnover prone guards I've seen. LaVine gets a pass for now but Dunn really needs to improve this season.

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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#103 » by bigworld2017 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:32 pm

petebraun0 wrote:Arci hit a few deep threes last night, which were awesome. He also always makes the extra pass and finds the open shooter. he is not too shabby. I don't notice his lack of athleticism. He seems to be a legit nba player. He's a keeper.



I've been defending him for a while now. He isn't a highlight film clip player. But he's solid. Doesn't kill our momentum with stupid passes into traffic. He plays D to the best of his abilities. He's the kind of underdog player I like having on the roster. I think Pax sees a little of himself in Arci's game. I'm not sure if Payne is the answer at back-up PG. Harrison might be a better fit because of his defense. But I hope Arci has a permanent place as our 3rd PG.
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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#104 » by bigworld2017 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:40 pm

pylb wrote:Forgot to give props to Hutchison. He didn't look like much to me in SL, but so far in real games, he looks like a guy who'll be able to stick around in the league as a bench wing, which is pretty good for a 22nd pick. Needs to put in work on his shot this offseason.

Carter on offense is deferring too much, thinking too much, and rushing too much. He's still very young, hopefully by next year he'll be steadier on offense. Reminds me of rookie Portis in a way, who didn't know when and where to pick his spots.


For young players there is a learning curve. Wendell is going to getting his learning process accelerated. But that is going to help us later in the season. RoLo is playing (or not playing) his way off the team, and perhaps that's what he wants. I like Wendell's defense so far. He battles. He's smart. He'll learn. Give him a chance to play through all the teams once, see the level of competition out there. It isn't uncommon for young players to want to defer to the vets on offense. I think by the end of the year Wendell will be looking to get his share of shots if the situation is right. I'm not worried about him at all. Or Hutch. One off season working with the shot Guru and Hutch could be a good, two-way rotation guy going forward. Would I love seeing him back up Cam Reddish.
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Post#106 » by The Force. » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:50 pm

People are complaining about Carter meanwhile he already looks like one of the best defensive centers in the league. Take away the rookie fouls and he'd easily be averaging close to 3 blocks per game. Thing is we don't need him to score, there's plenty of firepower on this team, we need him to rebound, set screens, block shots, and be our defensive anchor. If you're looking at Wendell to be a 20ppg scorer then prepare to be disappointed. If you're looking for a top 5 defensive center who can stretch the floor and put up 15-8 on good efficiency then he's right on track.

Temper your expectations people. Carter's ceiling is a super role player at best.

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Post#107 » by R3AL1TY » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:51 pm

I always felt Arci may end up being the sleeper PG that ends up cracking the rotation. His defense is good, he knows how to drive n kick, and he plays more under control compared to Payne and even Dunn. He isn't good shooting near the basket with a defender on him but he has a 3 ball to make up for it.

This was WCJ's best overall game. It looks like he could've finished with 16 points if he had more playing time. Hopefully he gains more confidence in putting up double-doubles.

Zach still looks like an all-star. If he cleans up his turnovers and ups his assists, it will give him more assurance in making it.
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Post#108 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:21 pm

molepharmer wrote:Couple of quotes from https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-hawks-20181027-story.html#nt=oft02a-1li3

“Arch gave the biggest energy in the world,” LaVine said. “That’s Arch for you; he’s dirty.”

“Arch is a winner,” Jabari Parker said. “I love playing with that dude.”

"Arch has thrust." (j/k)

Arci is a easy guy to root for. Anyone that plays intelligently and hustles is well liked in this town.

Arci can be put into the Hardhat Lunchpail category at times.

I seriously wouldn't mind if they kept him on the bench for years to come.
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Post#110 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:37 pm

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patagonia wrote:WCJ has his best game as a bull and Hoiberg rewards him with the bench the entire 4th quarter.


I think the Bulls won.
Yeah but WCJ didn't get treated like a rookie phenom .so it doesn't count.

WCJ lasted great early. He hit the boards well which was encouraging. He had his best 5 minute stretch of the season.

On the flip side, Archie and Felicio were part of the run that actually won the game for the Bulls... which is why they kept pushing and is as it should be.

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Post#111 » by Indomitable » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:39 pm

pylb wrote:Forgot to give props to Hutchison. He didn't look like much to me in SL, but so far in real games, he looks like a guy who'll be able to stick around in the league as a bench wing, which is pretty good for a 22nd pick. Needs to put in work on his shot this offseason.

Carter on offense is deferring too much, thinking too much, and rushing too much. He's still very young, hopefully by next year he'll be steadier on offense. Reminds me of rookie Portis in a way, who didn't know when and where to pick his spots.

Wendell and Bobby are not remotely similar.

Bobby was shooting everytime he touched the ball. Bobby was a dreadful defender.

Wendell does need to mo re aggressive but his defense is solid.
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Post#112 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:40 pm

logical_art wrote:Also, I'd like to see Harrison get Blakney's minutes. He's a much more sound basketball player and the Bulls don't need two second unit chuckers.
I would be fine seeing Archie and Shaq as the 1-2 pg combo with Lavine and Payne as the SG's until Val (and Dunn) get back.

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Post#113 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:45 pm

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Of course he will give some BS answer like Felicio was playing well so we stuck with him. WELLLLL Carter was also playing well why didnt you stick with him?


Except that's not a BS answer and that's what happened, Hoiberg did nothing wrong there as evidenced by the result.

This is whining for the sake of whining.


No its BS just like it was with WCJ being on the bench the game Parker cost them.
What is this stuff with Carter. He is gifted a starting spot, plays mediocre... then has a strong 5 minute stretch.

People are doing like the Bulls are holding back the next Bill Russell.

The Bulls are being successful with him off the court, .so he stayed off the court.

There is no conspiracy here and nothing has been done wrong.

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Post#114 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:48 pm

AKfanatic wrote:Loved the way the rooks played, not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but solid games by both.

Fred seemed to have guys looking to involve Carter early as I’ve been hoping for, and it paid off with that extra bounce in his step to start the game. He still seems to either rush some shots or become too shy/unselfish on other attempts...but that’s to be expected from a rookie that’s not known for offense. His defensive presence is blatantly obvious to anyone watching, which makes me wonder what Fred is watching at times.

Hutch is just smart on both ends and will continue to improve game by game. The injuries and Fred’s decision to give Chandler minutes because of them are going to a blessing for the kids development. His biggest thing, beyond changing his shot, is becoming confident that he belongs...and he’s figuring that out. As good as Dunn is as a defender, Hutch may very well be looked at as the Bulls best perimeter defender by the end of the year.

Archie pulled his own Hinrich maneuver on Trae Young tonight. He played a really really good game. Had a Bulls rookie been outplayed so badly by such a role player, we’d have posters screaming at what horrid pick he was by the front office.

Lavine didn’t have a great game, but if this is his bad game, I’ll take it. He really needs to figure out when and where to pass the ball. His cross court passes to the corner, even when they make it to his teammates, hang in the air for far too long and are begging to be stolen. That said, he’s still showing that he is a much better player than most believed.
You definitely had the right call on going to WCJ early. If you're going to start him don't let him languish out there, force him into the action.

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Post#115 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:51 pm

sco wrote:IMO:

1) What is obvious is that Felicio has some incriminating photos of Pax and Fred. It's like Fred wanted to lose this game by keeping Shrek out there. Sadly statistics lie...+/- Felicio +20 WCJ -8. Felicio is so slow, fat and stupid, I have no words. That said, he was better that he has been, but that's not saying much.

2) WCJ (stats aside) looked great. He was impacting everyone's shot on the defensive end, and finally finding some rhythm offensively...and was more aggressive! Kudos for him on those alley-oops!

3) I'm forgiving Zach's TO's. He really kept this team afloat tonight. His defense was decent and his offense was very good. He was just tired in the 4th.

4) Parker sucks. He's slow and can't jump. Unfortunately, he's better than the rest of our d-league roster. Good to see his lazy-a$$ 3's were falling in the 4th - cuz he couldn't get by 75 year old VC.

5) Hutch had some nice hustle plays too. He's long and aggressive. Interestingly, he doesn't have much lift for dunks.

6) Ryan did a heck of a job on Trae. We were lucky that Cam got in foul trouble or we might have lost this one.

7) I want more Shaq. He is really a nice defensive player. Reminds me of Smart.
IMO some bias in a couple of bad takes there. But just my opinion. I am with you on #6 and 7 though.

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Post#116 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:56 pm

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No its BS just like it was with WCJ being on the bench the game Parker cost them.


What happened in another game has no bearing on what happened tonight, you're using a different game to make your argument which has no relevance to tonight.

Hoiberg left Felicio in who was playing well and the Bulls won, he didn't make a mistake.

You can say he did in your example but that was that game, not this one.


Carter was playing well why was it okay to bench him? He was the Bulls top 10 pick his development is more important then anything Felicio does & benching him during his best game of the season is stupid.
Felicio was helping win the game. Why would it have been OK to bench him? Felicio is making 8 mil and is starting to look like he could earn a portion of it. WCJ is in his first 10 pro games and had a few minutes of good play.

One is not more important than the other right now. They went with the lineup that won the game for them. Losing the game to give Carter more entitlement minutes (and make no mistake, that is what Carter has been getting) wind gave been stupid.

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Post#117 » by TeamMan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:59 pm

Finally was able to watch the game, and I'm really relieved.

IMO it was a "character" win. Both teams wern't playing well, but the Bulls turned up the heat and pulled out the win, and they played some outstanding defense to seal the victory.

It was especially good because it was not expected. And the players on the bench watching the victory could learn and benefit as much as the players on the court.

It was the type of win that teams get that are on the way to the playoffs, and it was no wonder that a NCAA champion, Arci-D (he needs a nickname), played a major role in the game.

Props to the players and the coaches for pulling this one out.

Note: The Bulls gave Trae Young his due respect in this game. They were double teaming him out past the 3P line, and making him put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. Other teams are going to start doing the same thing in the future.
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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#118 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:01 pm

patagonia wrote:
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Jcool0 wrote:
Of course he will give some BS answer like Felicio was playing well so we stuck with him. WELLLLL Carter was also playing well why didnt you stick with him?


Except that's not a BS answer and that's what happened, Hoiberg did nothing wrong there as evidenced by the result.

This is whining for the sake of whining.


Yeah, no. WCJ's development is more important than any individual game.
Yeah, no, it isn't. Is not like he is never going to play again.

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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#119 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:02 pm

sco wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:Not going to get much of anything for Rolo at this point.


The Bulls know this. I’d wager that’s a big reason Lopez is glued to the bench. There really is zero reason to play him, barring even more injuries. He’s not worthy of getting on the court ahead of Carter, he’s not worth glueing Felicio to the bench, and nothing he’s capable of will increase his already low trade value. Better to give all the minutes you can to Carter (development) and Felicio (to see if he’s capable and try to increase his low value).

At this point, the Bulls should just throw Lopez a bone, purchase him a mascot costume from the big and tall store, and allow him to be a traveling mascot so that he can play with his buddies in the opposing team’s mascot costumes while on the road.


There is absolutely zero, ZERO chance that Felicio is ever going to be a good NBA player again. Give me RoLo 10 times out of 10. That said, WCJ should be playing 30 min a game.
Felicio has been a decent NBA player... .so far this year. Your zero chance seems a bit off base.

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Re: PG: Arcidiacono means GRIT 

Post#120 » by Stratmaster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:05 pm

sco wrote:
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Tonight, I'd say it does. WCJ had a confidence-building effort going on...he may have benefitted from more time.

The main thing that playing Felicio 26 minutes tonight hurt was...my eyes.


Stop it his development isn't going to be hurt because he didn't finish a game despite getting a double-double. Felicio actually played well and helped the team win why would that hurt your eyes?

Let's be clear. Felicio sucked out there and we won despite his complete bumbling on both ends. Did you watch the game?
I don't get your stance on this game at all.

Respectfully you have no business challenging anyone with "did you watch the game" with the bad takes you have posted about the game.

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