Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

LibertyPrime · Post #1421 » by **LibertyPrime** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:43 am

PharmD wrote:Apparently Butler just no-showed the shootaround yesterday knowing he can't really be punished.

Jon Krawcynski:
When the team showed up to the arena on Friday morning for shootaround, Butler wasn’t there. Eyebrows raised. Shoulders shrugged. And word even quickly reached the Bucks that something was up with their opponent for the night.

About an hour after shootaround had concluded, the Wolves added Butler to the injury report with an illness and said he would be questionable for the game.

Goddamn. Smdh.

Okay, this is the only source I've heard this from, but Jon K. is right more often than not. Assuming it's true, I guess "going to war with my soldiers" means "showing up when I damn well feel like it."

Please get this diva off the team now.

DaKid · Post #1422 » by **DaKid** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:37 am

What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

LibertyPrime · Post #1423 » by **LibertyPrime** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:44 am

DaKid wrote:What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

I don't think it's terrible and it could be quite good depending on the pick. Adams and Roberson provide two excellent defensive anchors for this team and Adams pushes Korl to PF where he likely thrives. Adding two strong players who don't need the ball doesn't hurt us since we have too many people taking too many shots as it is. I guess I'd prefer the 4 picks, though.

Post #1424 » by **Basti** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:32 am

LibertyPrime wrote:
DaKid wrote:What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

I don't think it's terrible and it could be quite good depending on the pick. Adams and Roberson provide two excellent defensive anchors for this team and Adams pushes Korl to PF where he likely thrives. Adding two strong players who don't need the ball doesn't hurt us since we have too many people taking too many shots as it is. I guess I'd prefer the 4 picks, though.

As much as I'd love to have Adams on the team, he certainly isn't a good fit offensively with KAT, unless Adams suddenly develops a decent outside shot. Offensively, both would have otherwise similar spacing issues like KAT and Taj have had.

Defensively, however... :love:

southern wolf · Post #1425 » by **southern wolf** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:48 am

OKC wouldn't give up Adams.

shrink · Post #1426 » by **shrink** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:03 pm

The HOU deal makes sense for both sides. Morey is obsessed with beating the Warriors, and after losing Ariza and LRMAM, it’s unlikely they have the horses, especially when we don’t know what Boogie might add in the playoffs. Morey needs every bit of talent per dollar, so Knight needs to be in the deal. To reach the right value, stacking up win-later (not win-now) assets is his only hope to add an All-NBA quality talent right now.

Morey is also facing horrific lux and repeater taxes after re-signing Butler, so Dieng can’t be in a deal. In fact, I would imagine even Eric Gordon looks a little scary, if you have to pay lux taxes on top of his $14 mil salary.

I suspect he’s offering Knight plus filler (Chriss, Qi, Nene?) plus four 1sts AND Gordon for Taj Gibson

Moving Gordon frees up minutes for Jimmy, and helps the Rockets financially next season. Taj and Gordon are similar in productivity, but Taj has a skill set that overlaps the Rockets stars less, and most importantly, Morey can use his Bird rights to try to bring him back at a reasonable number next year.

For MIN, Gordon and Taj are both reasonably paid, and a win-now Thibs would want to bring back a starting swingman. I don’t think MIN should be heading towards using assets to try to clear cap for this summer’s crowded free agency, so Gordon’s second year is not a big drawback. MIN can afford to lose Taj with a resurgent Dieng and Tolliver - more minutes helps justify the money spent on both. I would hope with this change, MIN could get all later picks fully unprotected. I would also note that neither team would need to wait until October 31 to complete these simultaneous trades.

TruthSerum · Post #1427 » by **TruthSerum** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:27 pm

shrink wrote:
TruthSerum wrote:
I actually wondered about that, AirP. And there was a very significant reason while Jimmy himself wasn't interested in renegotiating his contract right when he got traded to Minny. It was money, and lots of it.

Umm, here’s a significant reason. It would have been illegal under the CBA, until Butler had been on his contract for three years?

59. Can existing contracts be renegotiated?

A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing

Now you see, that's a great find! And that's why I love this forum. It's a great resource for us all to use our collective minds to become more informed. I've seen so many fault Thibs for not getting Jimmy renegotiated before his FA spending spree. I'm glad to see him absolved. Cheers!

PharmD · Post #1428 » by **PharmD** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:01 pm

DaKid wrote:What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

That was the first trade i suggested when this saga started!

DaKid · Post #1429 » by **DaKid** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:31 pm

PharmD wrote:
DaKid wrote:What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

That was the first trade i suggested when this saga started!

One of the guys on NBA radio asked woj about thunder trading for Butler and Adams is who was mentioned. Woj didn't think thunder would even try for Butler but I really like the idea of Adams next to towns

Post #1430 » by **Calinks** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:44 pm

I dont think they give up Adams. I think my favorite hypothetical deal is the Whiteside, Richardson, First one. The four first sound good and could be decent but I could also see us botching that and of course, the team will not get better for the foreseeable future which really sucks. Richardson Whiteside deal there is upside to have a decent season and maybe push for a playoff birth. It could also turn into a bad season too but we would have the Heats first which would not be a lotto (if its this season) but still better than probably the first two firsts we would get from the Rockets.

Nick K · Post #1431 » by **Nick K** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:51 pm

DaKid wrote:What would you guys think of this hypothetical trade with OKC?

Butler and Dieng for Adams, Roberson and maybe a pick

If only Roberson could shoot! I love Adams. Tempting but no.

No way they give up Adams.

PharmD · Post #1432 » by **PharmD** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:58 pm

OKC should really be pushing hard for Jimmy. Jimmy would make them real contenders and can't really pull his diva crap with Russ around.

Streakers33 · Post #1433 » by **Streakers33** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:11 pm

So butler and Gibson to Houston for knight and Gordon and 4 FRP? U make the picks all top 5 protected and if the protections hit it moves the pick to the following year.. deal done..

Then call pistons .. send Gordon to them fro leuer, Stanley Johnson and a FRP or a couple seconds ..

Then teague to suns for chandler, bender, and Milwaukee pick

Houston happy.. pistons improve and keep pace for top 4 in east... suns get a starting pg cheap.. and minny reloads and puts focus back on towns/Wiggins

Johnson , bender, tyus, okagie get serious mins to see what this team can build.. and will have 2-3 frp a year for a few years for flexibility.. I still see his team fighting for an 8th seed all year.

Flame away..

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red96 · Post #1434 » by **red96** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:26 pm

Streakers33 wrote:So butler and Gibson to Houston for knight and Gordon and 4 FRP? U make the picks all top 5 protected and[b] if the protections hit it moves the pick to the following year.[b]. deal done..

Then call pistons .. send Gordon to them fro leuer, Stanley Johnson and a FRP or a couple seconds ..

Then teague to suns for chandler, bender, and Milwaukee pick

Houston happy.. pistons improve and keep pace for top 4 in east... suns get a starting pg cheap.. and minny reloads and puts focus back on towns/Wiggins

Johnson , bender, tyus, okagie get serious mins to see what this team can build.. and will have 2-3 frp a year for a few years for flexibility.. I still see his team fighting for an 8th seed all year.

Flame away..

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Illegal, therefore cant be done. It would have to turn into 2nd round pick or be lost.

Jedzz · Post #1435 » by **Jedzz** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:42 pm

I would make a call back to Houston for a discussion around Capella.

We need someone like Capella to play with Towns. I don't really care if Towns believes it. Tell me if I'm nuts on this.

Houston out:
Capella, Knight(oct 31), Chriss(oct 31)
Houston In:
Butler, Dieng

Forget all the picks as we are getting out from under Dieng and they are dumping some expirings. Dieng could work for them.
They can survive without Capella. We can't survive without a more omnipresent rim protector.

Would they never do this? I think the money is close. Some might say this is no where enough for Butler, but I'm trying to make the future with Towns/Wiggins work.

red96 · Post #1436 » by **red96** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:16 pm

Jedzz wrote:I would make a call back to Houston for a discussion around Capella.

We need someone like Capella to play with Towns. I don't really care if Towns believes it. Tell me if I'm nuts on this.

Houston out:
Capella, Knight(oct 31), Chriss(oct 31)
Houston In:
Butler, Dieng

Forget all the picks as we are getting out from under Dieng and they are dumping some expirings. Dieng could work for them.
They can survive without Capella. We can't survive without a more omnipresent rim protector.

Would they never do this? I think the money is close. Some might say this is no where enough for Butler, but I'm trying to make the future with Towns/Wiggins work.

The Wolves need a rim protector, but the Rockets don't?

Jedzz · Post #1437 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:45 am

red96 wrote:]The Wolves need a rim protector, but the Rockets don't?

True but I think you might see Dieng playing quite a bit differently for them than he's asked to here. Just a hunch.

Jstock12 · Post #1438 » by **Jstock12** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:53 am

Jedzz wrote:I would make a call back to Houston for a discussion around Capella.

We need someone like Capella to play with Towns. I don't really care if Towns believes it. Tell me if I'm nuts on this.

Houston out:
Capella, Knight(oct 31), Chriss(oct 31)
Houston In:
Butler, Dieng

Forget all the picks as we are getting out from under Dieng and they are dumping some expirings. Dieng could work for them.
They can survive without Capella. We can't survive without a more omnipresent rim protector.

Would they never do this? I think the money is close. Some might say this is no where enough for Butler, but I'm trying to make the future with Towns/Wiggins work.

Not sure if you'd be able to finish your pitch before Morey hangs up the phone. It's probably best to use email for this one.

theGreatRC · Post #1439 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:54 am

I'm worried that this deal is actually done and we're just waiting for Oct 31st

Jedzz · Post #1440 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:21 am

Jstock12 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:I would make a call back to Houston for a discussion around Capella.

We need someone like Capella to play with Towns. I don't really care if Towns believes it. Tell me if I'm nuts on this.

Houston out:
Capella, Knight(oct 31), Chriss(oct 31)
Houston In:
Butler, Dieng

Forget all the picks as we are getting out from under Dieng and they are dumping some expirings. Dieng could work for them.
They can survive without Capella. We can't survive without a more omnipresent rim protector.

Would they never do this? I think the money is close. Some might say this is no where enough for Butler, but I'm trying to make the future with Towns/Wiggins work.

Not sure if you'd be able to finish your pitch before Morey hangs up the phone. It's probably best to use email for this one.

Well If I was Glen I would be making the offer by Western Union with a hefty sidecar attached.