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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#121 » by Rich Rane » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:40 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The Malice At The Palace is what changed everything, after that the NBA went out of their way to "soften" its image (meaning, make it more appealing to the racism of mainstream white america) and here we are today. In hindsight, that incident was horrible especially when you have fans and players fighting each other...like its a BASKETBALL game. I have never gone to a sporting event wanting to throw something at a player or wanting to get into a fight with a player over 2 hours of entertainment.

Mind you, I have no problem with the NBA today and I think Adam Silver is doing a fantastic job. But there's a reason why the league is looked at as softer now compared to the old days and it stems from general ugliness of our society.

Hockey is trying to clean up their act as well but you had a time where fighting in hockey was looked at as normal, and yet in the early 2000s the NBA players were demonized for doing the exact same thing at a way lesser rate. I still remember the racist comments being made about Carmelo Anthony after the Knicks and Nuggets got into a fight (where Nate Robinson ate JR Smith's lunch :lol: ).

But yeah I kind of miss the old days where a fight broke out. I don't condone what Rondo or Brandon Ingram did but it did add some excitement that night :lol:


Hockey fights are for the most part still normal really. There's one nearly every night somewhere around the league. With the enforcer role gone though, star players can't talk out of their asses anymore since they don't have that one goon who will have his back and take the fight. Unwritten rules are still in play too.

I will agree with NBA haters about flopping though. It's always existed, but now multiple star players do it on a near game by game basis and that doesn't look good at all for the NBA.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#122 » by gigantes » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:00 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The Malice At The Palace is what changed everything, after that the NBA went out of their way to "soften" its image (meaning, make it more appealing to the racism of mainstream white america) and here we are today. In hindsight, that incident was horrible especially when you have fans and players fighting each other...like its a BASKETBALL game. I have never gone to a sporting event wanting to throw something at a player or wanting to get into a fight with a player over 2 hours of entertainment.

Were the changes really about appealing to racists, though? I thought it was more about safety, professionalism, making the NBA more family-friendly, and all that sort of thing.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#123 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:22 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:The Malice At The Palace is what changed everything, after that the NBA went out of their way to "soften" its image (meaning, make it more appealing to the racism of mainstream white america) and here we are today. In hindsight, that incident was horrible especially when you have fans and players fighting each other...like its a BASKETBALL game. I have never gone to a sporting event wanting to throw something at a player or wanting to get into a fight with a player over 2 hours of entertainment.

Were the changes really about appealing to racists, though? I thought it was more about safety, professionalism, making the NBA more family-friendly, and all that sort of thing.


Remember when David Stern implemented a player dress code one year after the brawl in Detroit? Who was he appealing to when he implemented that?

Mind you, this is also the time when the racist dog whistles of calling NBA players "thugs" were in blowing in full force.

The players managed to take the dress code and turn it into a positive for them in recent times because of how fashionable guys are nowadays but that was implemented to appeal to racist attitudes towards the players.
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Post#124 » by gigantes » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:52 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:The Malice At The Palace is what changed everything, after that the NBA went out of their way to "soften" its image (meaning, make it more appealing to the racism of mainstream white america) and here we are today. In hindsight, that incident was horrible especially when you have fans and players fighting each other...like its a BASKETBALL game. I have never gone to a sporting event wanting to throw something at a player or wanting to get into a fight with a player over 2 hours of entertainment.

Were the changes really about appealing to racists, though? I thought it was more about safety, professionalism, making the NBA more family-friendly, and all that sort of thing.


Remember when David Stern implemented a player dress code one year after the brawl in Detroit? Who was he appealing to when he implemented that?

Mind you, this is also the time when the racist dog whistles of calling NBA players "thugs" were in blowing in full force.

The players managed to take the dress code and turn it into a positive for them in recent times because of how fashionable guys are nowadays but that was implemented to appeal to racist attitudes towards the players.

Yeap, the dress code was one of the things I had in mind. I thought it was a bit over the top, although not unexpected given recent events of the time. "Malice" was terrible in particular, but IIRC there had been some smaller incidents at the time.

Having said that, I'm glad players have rolled with the dress code and made it their own. At the end of the day, doesn't seem like too much of an imposition for multi-millionaires to deal with.

Personally I don't know about the racist angles on this one. Seems tricky to evaluate, and kind of a slippery slope. Overall the NBA seems to be doing a pretty above-average job of respecting and supporting its players, including African Americans. Unlike the NFL, for example.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread 

Post#125 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:39 pm

The NBA has been much better in the 2010s with their support of the players especially under Adam Silver. The moment that he was able to get Donald Serling banned from the NBA was huge. They also allow the players to express themselves especially when it comes to social activism. I think Silver is doing a great job.

I don't think that pointing out that there were racist undertones to the implementing of the player dress code is a slippery slope. Stern was dealing with the NBA having an "image problem" at the time due to the palace brawl and he did it to pacify the primary demographic that spends big bucks on tickets: middle aged white men who were looking at the players as a bunch of millionaire "thugs" like Allen Iverson. It is what it is.

Mind you, the NBA was well within their rights to put in their rules a dress code. They are the employers. If they want their employees to wear professional attire while on the sidelines and in the arenas, they have every right to do so. But that doesn't change the underlying reason for it at the time.
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Post#126 » by gigantes » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:07 am

Yeah, I think Silver is doing a really nice job with a lot of things, including helping to empower players' social activism in particular. He seems perfectly happy to join in on social justice issues, including issues of color. For me this stuff has been a real 'this is no longer David Stern's league' wake up call... not that Stern was a bad guy AFAIK.

You know, Allen Iverson is a very interesting example for me having been a Philadelphian most of my life. On the one hand I can totally understand his sentiment about wanting to stay 'true to his roots', OTOH I'm still kind of furious about all the stupid **** he pulled across the years, both on and off the court. At a certain point I do think you can cross a line and make yourself perceived as a 'thug' whether or not you really are one. Sort of a 'don't feed the trolls' moment, or series of moments.

Anyway yeah, this is part of why I think these issues can be complex and difficult to untangle. I don't know if this is the right venue, but the 'politics' thread does seem better suited. Cheers.
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Post#127 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:33 am

I won (barely) on Denver -11.5 over Sacto in Denver, if I wasn't a coward I would have taken NO vs. Clippers at -5.5. but I did not trust that game. Tsk.
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Post#128 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:09 am

So I won on the Nets vs. Cavs tonight on both the spread and money line. but I also bet on the Knicks vs. Heat +8 for the Knicks and i lost. I thought that the Knicks would have kept it close and they got aired out. my mistake, but i only bet $25. I usually do one big bet and a smaller secondary bet.

So after that I went with a late night 2 team parlay: Warriors over Wizards on the moneyline and Lakers -5.5. i won.

i'm looking at taking Boston tomorrow at +1.5 versus OKC. any thoughts?

i would love to make separate thread for sports betting but I dunno if thats even allowed on here.
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Post#129 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:08 am

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: Boston pulled through.

I've got Denver at -2 vs the Lakers in a two game parlay w/ the NFL's thursday night match up and right now Houston is up 15 in the 4th and i took them at -7.5 on a last second whim. this can either go really well for me or very, very bad :lol: :crazy:
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Post#130 » by shakendfries » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:36 am

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Post#131 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:14 am

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Yeah I don't know about that one chief.

good luck :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only despair awaits them.
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Post#132 » by Palmeirense » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:36 am

LOL at Morey pulling a Billy King.
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Post#133 » by Papi_swav » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:52 am

Palmeirense wrote:LOL at Morey pulling a Billy King.

lol but at least they have a legit top 5 star in his prime that isn't going anywhere and a vet star . They can afford to do that. But Thibs don't want picks he wants legit players so that might not go through, I would of agreed on the spot if I was him.
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Post#134 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:57 am

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Palmeirense wrote:LOL at Morey pulling a Billy King.

lol but at least they have a legit top 5 star in his prime that isn't going anywhere and a vet star . They can afford to do that. But Thibs don't want picks he wants legit players so that might not go through, I would of agreed on the spot if I was him.

Billy King didn't have a reigning league MVP & a team that was a game away from a Championship.
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Post#135 » by Palmeirense » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:01 am

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Palmeirense wrote:LOL at Morey pulling a Billy King.

lol but at least they have a legit top 5 star in his prime that isn't going anywhere and a vet star . They can afford to do that. But Thibs don't want picks he wants legit players so that might not go through, I would of agreed on the spot if I was him.

Billy King didn't have a reigning league MVP & a team that was a game away from a Championship.


Billy King didn't have to go against the warriors though (although those heat teams were pretty damn good).

Let's face it, Jimmy Butler isn't turning Houston into a title contender, barring major injuries, i still think it is a moronic decision to compromise your future like this. Chris Paul isn't young, Harden has an absurd usage rate, etc.
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Post#136 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:02 am

lost on a 3 team parlay tonight but i took the Kings at the last second vs. the Wizards in Sacto and I won on the + 5.

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Post#137 » by MGrand15 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:12 pm

Obviously really early in the season but it's nice to see Brook Lopez playing well on a very good team. Kenny and the staff deserve a ton of credit for the evolution of Brook's game. He's finally on a team thats good enough to just let him play to his strengths.
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Post#138 » by Papi_swav » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:49 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Obviously really early in the season but it's nice to see Brook Lopez playing well on a very good team. Kenny and the staff deserve a ton of credit for the evolution of Brook's game. He's finally on a team thats good enough to just let him play to his strengths.

And the Bucks are 6-0 . Didn't see that coming but Bud is a really great coach and Lopez fits perfect next to Giannis. Hope they make it far.
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Post#139 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm

I'm happy for Brook. Dude's TS% is insane right now and he's hitting 41% from downtown.
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Post#140 » by bud29 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:04 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Obviously really early in the season but it's nice to see Brook Lopez playing well on a very good team. Kenny and the staff deserve a ton of credit for the evolution of Brook's game. He's finally on a team thats good enough to just let him play to his strengths.

And the Bucks are 6-0 . Didn't see that coming but Bud is a really great coach and Lopez fits perfect next to Giannis. Hope they make it far.

They've been a nice surprise so far - it was very depressing to see an incredible talent like Giannis waste away on a middling, poorly coached squad. Remains to be seen how viable they are in the playoffs, but they could be a top-3 seed this year.

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