Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[fendilim]

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Only took 7 games for coach to start taking subtle jabs at the team and front office.

I don't see where you got that at all. Cliff just saying what is happening out there in that the offense barely moves without Vooch out there.

True., the offense was lost with Bamba on the floor. He can't even have play in the high post yet because he struggles to protect the ball more often than not.

[Furinkazan]

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Don't worry, the Kings are on a B2B and we've had 3 days of rest. There's no way they're going to outrun us at home.

We were 1-8 on 3 or more days rest during the Vogel era. Time for Cliff to show his worth... if he can't motivate them better than Vogel it's going to be a long season for him.

its going to be a long season for us fans

[BadMofoPimp]

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Only took 7 games for coach to start taking subtle jabs at the team and front office.

I don't see where you got that at all. Cliff just saying what is happening out there in that the offense barely moves without Vooch out there.

True., the offense was lost with Bamba on the floor. He can't even have play in the high post yet because he struggles to protect the ball more often than not.

Personally, I would like to see Vooch, Bamba and AG on the court together for an extended run just to see what happens.

[woosah]

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Only took 7 games for coach to start taking subtle jabs at the team and front office.

I don't see where you got that at all. Cliff just saying what is happening out there in that the offense barely moves without Vooch out there.

Yeah gonna have to agree. I heard him. He sounded almost apologetic about it but he hasn't figured any other way to generate offense without Vooch. I hope Vooch isn't at practice pulling a Jimmy, "you neeed meeee!" j/k j/k

[rcklsscognition]

Clifford after 7 games publicly beating around the bush that he is doing all he can with what he was given and with what talent the GM has put on the roster is not good. He has been really conservative in his comments before and up to now.

There are a few stages of downfall with coaches. He's moved forward a step. The next one is a lineup change which always occurs in November. Then we go on a little run, things look great, and then we hit a rough patch. Coach tries another philisophical change that fails. Then come mid-to-late December or early January the last stage is reached when he admits he has no answers just like Skiles did eventually in January and Vogel did in December.

[thelead]

Clifford after 7 games publicly beating around the bush that he is doing all he can with what he was given and with what talent the GM has put on the roster is not good. He has been really conservative in his comments before and up to now.

There are a few stages of downfall with coaches. He's moved forward a step. The next one is a lineup change which always occurs in November. Then we go on a little run, things look great, and then we hit a rough patch. Coach tries another philisophical change that fails. Then come mid-to-late December or early January the last stage is reached when he admits he has no answers just like Skiles did eventually in January and Vogel did in December.

We hired a win-now coach with a lose-often roster. It’s been the norm around here. The FO is either incapable of fixing the main problem or they’re incompetent. We’ll find out what the answer is this summer.

[woosah]

We draft projects. Why keep hiring win-now coaches?

[OrlandoNed]

We draft projects. Why keep hiring win-now coaches?

Because mostly anybody in the organization with any decision-making power is a moron.

[OrlChamps2030]

Clifford after 7 games publicly beating around the bush that he is doing all he can with what he was given and with what talent the GM has put on the roster is not good. He has been really conservative in his comments before and up to now.

There are a few stages of downfall with coaches. He's moved forward a step. The next one is a lineup change which always occurs in November. Then we go on a little run, things look great, and then we hit a rough patch. Coach tries another philisophical change that fails. Then come mid-to-late December or early January the last stage is reached when he admits he has no answers just like Skiles did eventually in January and Vogel did in December.

Didn’t Clifford miss almost a third of last season due to “sleep depravation”?

Will anyone actually get caught off guard when he resigns after the season is over?

[rcklsscognition]

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Vuc just needs to play a little better and he'll be off the team! Or the rest of the team keeps playing worse and he'll be erased from the graph all together.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

We draft projects. Why keep hiring win-now coaches?

And we don't even give these projects the room to improve

[Blue_and_Whte]

Clifford isn't wrong in what he's saying, but he also knew how this roster was going to look when he took the job too.

But again, he's not wrong. You can only survive with defense and energy for so long. Eventually you have to have guys on the floor that can score the ball and right now the Magic only have one guy who is capable of scoring consistently.

Address the PG and SG slots this summer with scorers and you can totally thrive with an Isaac/Bamba front court.

Yup. Cant build a team with 2nd/3rd tier scorers and expect 1st tier results. The players are trying to win games the best way they can.

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[Catledge]

Clifford after 7 games publicly beating around the bush that he is doing all he can with what he was given and with what talent the GM has put on the roster is not good. He has been really conservative in his comments before and up to now.

There are a few stages of downfall with coaches. He's moved forward a step. The next one is a lineup change which always occurs in November. Then we go on a little run, things look great, and then we hit a rough patch. Coach tries another philisophical change that fails. Then come mid-to-late December or early January the last stage is reached when he admits he has no answers just like Skiles did eventually in January and Vogel did in December.

We hired a win-now coach with a lose-often roster. It’s been the norm around here. The FO is either incapable of fixing the main problem or they’re incompetent. We’ll find out what the answer is this summer.

Vaughn was not a win-now coach. He was also an unmitigated failure.

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I don't see where you got that at all. Cliff just saying what is happening out there in that the offense barely moves without Vooch out there.

True., the offense was lost with Bamba on the floor. He can't even have play in the high post yet because he struggles to protect the ball more often than not.

Personally, I would like to see Vooch, Bamba and AG on the court together for an extended run just to see what happens.

Why? Even if it’s effective, Vuc is gone anyway. What’s the point of giving Bamba minutes in situations that wont matter in the long run. He needs minutes with JI which Clifford refuses to do.

[Blue_and_Whte]

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Vuc just needs to play a little better and he'll be off the team! Or the rest of the team keeps playing worse and he'll be erased from the graph all together.

geezus. He's wasting his talent here. Just flip him for some scrub from GS and tank already.

[BadMofoPimp]

True., the offense was lost with Bamba on the floor. He can't even have play in the high post yet because he struggles to protect the ball more often than not.

Personally, I would like to see Vooch, Bamba and AG on the court together for an extended run just to see what happens.

Why? Even if it’s effective, Vuc is gone anyway. What’s the point of giving Bamba minutes in situations that wont matter in the long run. He needs minutes with JI which Clifford refuses to do.

Because, Clifford doesn't intend to lose every game by 30 points because they cannot score by playing all kids making himself and the organinzation look like morons for putting such a crappy product in front of their already dwindling fan base. Pretty much no coach will do this while Bamba is still learning and growing and not ready to play extended minutes. Are you serious or just thinking how it works in NBA2k where rookies can go off for 40mpg?

FYI. After 7 straight bottom feeding seasons, the organization needs to put out a team that learns how to win.

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Personally, I would like to see Vooch, Bamba and AG on the court together for an extended run just to see what happens.

Why? Even if it’s effective, Vuc is gone anyway. What’s the point of giving Bamba minutes in situations that wont matter in the long run. He needs minutes with JI which Clifford refuses to do.

Because, Clifford doesn't intend to lose every game by 30 points because they cannot score by playing all kids making himself and the organinzation look like morons for putting such a crappy product in front of their already dwindling fan base.

True, but the long term makes more sense to have players that will be here playing minutes next to the core for the future. Orlando deserves not to have a fan base considering the product they have been pushing. Who cares what the overall win total is at the end of the season. This roster is obviously flawed and Clifford knows it. He’s just delaying the inevitable with these lineups. His job is safe and it shouldn’t matter. A better draft pick and experience for JI and Bamba is infinitely more important.

[BadMofoPimp]

Why? Even if it’s effective, Vuc is gone anyway. What’s the point of giving Bamba minutes in situations that wont matter in the long run. He needs minutes with JI which Clifford refuses to do.

Because, Clifford doesn't intend to lose every game by 30 points because they cannot score by playing all kids making himself and the organinzation look like morons for putting such a crappy product in front of their already dwindling fan base.

True, but the long term makes more sense to have players that will be here playing minutes next to the core for the future. Orlando deserves not to have a fan base considering the product they have been pushing. Who cares what the overall win total is at the end of the season. This roster is obviously flawed and Clifford knows it. He’s just delaying the inevitable with these lineups. His job is safe and it shouldn’t matter.

7 years of the same circle going nowhere is not going to teach these kids how to build a chemistry and how to win games unless they start winning them.

[Skin]

We draft projects. Why keep hiring win-now coaches?

We draft BPA. But yeah... the win-now coaching act is getting old. That's why I didn't mind losing under Vaughn.

Say what you want about Vaughn, but he kept this team together and we had the best team chemistry under his reign. The young guys enjoyed each other on and off the court. They enjoyed each other's successes. When Skiles came in, that's when the canabalism started and it hasn't been the same since. Selfish basketball spreads real fast.

I wanted a teacher... a coach who develops players... who's been around winning basketball... Ettore Messina. But NOPE.

Hooray for another retread who's had mediocre results where he's been in the past.

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Because, Clifford doesn't intend to lose every game by 30 points because they cannot score by playing all kids making himself and the organinzation look like morons for putting such a crappy product in front of their already dwindling fan base.

True, but the long term makes more sense to have players that will be here playing minutes next to the core for the future. Orlando deserves not to have a fan base considering the product they have been pushing. Who cares what the overall win total is at the end of the season. This roster is obviously flawed and Clifford knows it. He’s just delaying the inevitable with these lineups. His job is safe and it shouldn’t matter.

7 years of the same circle going nowhere is not going to teach these kids how to build a chemistry and how to win games unless they start winning them.

They are going to lose anyway. So you would rather they lose in roster situations they won’t be a part of in a year rather than lose playing with lineups they will. That’s what we are arguing about here. The only difference is that the latter actually benefits the organization more in the long run.