Game 7: Detroit Pistons (4-2) @ Brooklyn Nets (2-5) - 7:30 PM ET

[JohnReese]

Griffin needs a center de that can be a threat at least from 5 metres. If not, the guy that guards Drummond goes to do the double team.

Turner, Ibaka, Vucevic, Sabonis, Kaminsky or Muscala would make more sense in this team.

[ducler]

I was sure we were going to lose this one, we never win with those awful grey jerseys...

Plus, why the hell Casey is not taking a timeout when we are up 2 with 30 seconds left, the ball in our hands and 2 timeouts remaining?

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[DetroitSho]

Griffin needs a center de that can be a threat at least from 5 metres. If not, the guy that guards Drummond goes to do the double team.

Turner, Ibaka, Vucevic, Sabonis, Kaminsky or Muscala would make more sense in this team.

I'm sorry but the obsession with guys that can shoot 3's is pretty annoying. If you honestly think this team would be better with the likes of Frank Kaminsky or Ibaka as our starting center over Drummond then Lord help us all.

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[Canadafan]

Just. Get. Jimmy.

[rmfc]

Just. Get. Jimmy.

Yes, please!

[thesack12]

Not like that hasn't been going on in the NBA for 40+ years or anything like that. But let's not let that deter you from whatever point you're trying to make.

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I think you're not able to distinguish a difference between getting the ball in your best player's hands, and making sure that player gets the last shot.

The best players also make great decisions. The best players also create open shots for others if their teammates put themselves in fortuitous position.

Guys like Robery Horry and Boobie Gibson made a name for themselves with clutch last second shots. Steve Kerr with his ring clinching shot for Chicago in the finals. Do you think those were the guys who created those last shots?

I think you're not able to distinguish the difference between Steve Kerr/Robert Horry and Bruce Brown/Stanley Johnson. Blake Griffin vs. Dinwiddie 16 feet from the basket is literally better than ANY potential shot those two can provide in that situation. I don't care if it IS a backdoor cut and potential layup.

You know who made a name for themselves after a backdoor cut on a last second shot attempt? JR Smith. George Hill missed a game winning opportunity at the free throw line and Smith had a mental meltdown. Not saying LeBron didn't make the right play but once the ball left the best player's hands everyone who touched it after that F'd up in their own way.

Down one point, literally the only shot a team would refuse to give up is a layup/backdoor cut. So what you're asking for is either for someone to cut and Blake force it into traffic and MAYBE the player gets off a contested shot in traffic. Orrrrrrrrrr you really want off the ball action to lead to some type of kick out opportunity. So tell me, which kick out opportunity is better than Blake 16 feet from the rim 1 on 1 vs. a PG? Blake should've gotten off a much better shot, period.

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First off Brown wasn't on the floor for that last play. The Lineup was Ish/Reggie/Stanley/Blake/Dre.

Secondly, I completely agree the personnel was a bad choice for that situation. You see I guess I'm not being clear enough, but the "play" is what I'm critical of not the outcome of Blake getting the last shot. There is a lot involved in the draw up to that "play." Its not just a simple matter of "95% of the NBA runs an ISO at the end of games." The decision of who to put on the floor, how to get the ball to whomever you want to have it, and what the others players do off the ball.

In that situation, Stanley should not have even been a consideration to be on the floor. He has no value out there a screener/cutter/shooter/passer. I can understand Reggie being out there to an extent, but not with what they drew up and what they had him do. Reggie isn't a great off ball player, and not a good spot up guy. With what the design was, they should of had two of Galloway/GR3/Calderon in there in place of Stanley and Reggie. At least those three are threats to knock down a jumper and have the tendency to move around bit. Dre was solely in there for a potential tap in put back, which is fair enough.

What I'm asking is a little off ball movement. Of course, I'm not saying it would have definitely led to open lay up or wide open kickout. What I'm saying is movement off the ball and setting screens puts pressure on the defense to rotate and and at the very least take their eyes off the ball. What we had last night was Reggie and Stanley literally being statues in opposite corners, and Ish meandering 5 feet outside the 3 point arc after the faked handoff.

Could Blake have gotten a better shot off, sure probably. But when nobody is doing anything to give him a pass option or helping open a gap for him, he didn't have much to work with Dinwiddie smothering him and both RHJ and Dudley shading the paint to close it off, and the other 2 Nets having all eyes on him ready to collapse as well.

As you mentioned guys can make mistakes in big spots, but that applies to the defense as well. When you put non factors on the floor, and don't put any pressure on the defense outside of the guy who has the ball, you make their job a helluva lot easier.

[flow]

Griffin needs a center de that can be a threat at least from 5 metres. If not, the guy that guards Drummond goes to do the double team.

Turner, Ibaka, Vucevic, Sabonis, Kaminsky or Muscala would make more sense in this team.

I'm sorry but the obsession with guys that can shoot 3's is pretty annoying. If you honestly think this team would be better with the likes of Frank Kaminsky or Ibaka as our starting center over Drummond then Lord help us all.

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We could change 5 meters to 5 feet and it might still be a valid point.

[tradez401]

Just. Get. Jimmy.

teague/butler/a.tolly for reggie/luke/galloway/stanley add picks.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

We might be down one misfiring gunner (RB) due to ankle sprain, and left with only one gunner -- also misfiring -- in LG for the Sixers match.

And then there's this...

...After every 3 in 4th/OT, Blake was yelling "That’s why you give me the **** ball!". I think there’s something going on there with them...

No idea how accurate/reliable that was... Despite what Blake purportedly yelled, it could still be a non-issue. I just mentioned it here in case somebody else could corroborate it from a different source.

But I did make the observation from a game or two back how the team seemed to be running their offense a lot less through Blake, limiting his touches & FGAs, with RJ back to primary ball-handling duties while taking a lot more shots. Somewhat odd why they strayed from the formula (on offense) that helped them to a 4-0 start.

Fingers crossed there's no internal conflict(s) a-brewing... Seeing this team unravel this early in the season due to infighting would be just tragic. Hopefully the team comes together for an against-the-odds win at Philadelphia despite Ben Simmons' return.

[menten]

We should have lost the Sixers game.

why?

[DetroitSho]

I think you're not able to distinguish a difference between getting the ball in your best player's hands, and making sure that player gets the last shot.

The best players also make great decisions. The best players also create open shots for others if their teammates put themselves in fortuitous position.

Guys like Robery Horry and Boobie Gibson made a name for themselves with clutch last second shots. Steve Kerr with his ring clinching shot for Chicago in the finals. Do you think those were the guys who created those last shots?

I think you're not able to distinguish the difference between Steve Kerr/Robert Horry and Bruce Brown/Stanley Johnson. Blake Griffin vs. Dinwiddie 16 feet from the basket is literally better than ANY potential shot those two can provide in that situation. I don't care if it IS a backdoor cut and potential layup.

You know who made a name for themselves after a backdoor cut on a last second shot attempt? JR Smith. George Hill missed a game winning opportunity at the free throw line and Smith had a mental meltdown. Not saying LeBron didn't make the right play but once the ball left the best player's hands everyone who touched it after that F'd up in their own way.

Down one point, literally the only shot a team would refuse to give up is a layup/backdoor cut. So what you're asking for is either for someone to cut and Blake force it into traffic and MAYBE the player gets off a contested shot in traffic. Orrrrrrrrrr you really want off the ball action to lead to some type of kick out opportunity. So tell me, which kick out opportunity is better than Blake 16 feet from the rim 1 on 1 vs. a PG? Blake should've gotten off a much better shot, period.

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First off Brown wasn't on the floor for that last play. The Lineup was Ish/Reggie/Stanley/Blake/Dre.

Secondly, I completely agree the personnel was a bad choice for that situation. You see I guess I'm not being clear enough, but the "play" is what I'm critical of not the outcome of Blake getting the last shot. There is a lot involved in the draw up to that "play." Its not just a simple matter of "95% of the NBA runs an ISO at the end of games." The decision of who to put on the floor, how to get the ball to whomever you want to have it, and what the others players do off the ball.

In that situation, Stanley should not have even been a consideration to be on the floor. He has no value out there a screener/cutter/shooter/passer. I can understand Reggie being out there to an extent, but not with what they drew up and what they had him do. Reggie isn't a great off ball player, and not a good spot up guy. With what the design was, they should of had two of Galloway/GR3/Calderon in there in place of Stanley and Reggie. At least those three are threats to knock down a jumper and have the tendency to move around bit. Dre was solely in there for a potential tap in put back, which is fair enough.

What I'm asking is a little off ball movement. Of course, I'm not saying it would have definitely led to open lay up or wide open kickout. What I'm saying is movement off the ball and setting screens puts pressure on the defense to rotate and and at the very least take their eyes off the ball. What we had last night was Reggie and Stanley literally being statues in opposite corners, and Ish meandering 5 feet outside the 3 point arc after the faked handoff.

Could Blake have gotten a better shot off, sure probably. But when nobody is doing anything to give him a pass option or helping open a gap for him, he didn't have much to work with Dinwiddie smothering him and both RHJ and Dudley shading the paint to close it off, and the other 2 Nets having all eyes on him ready to collapse as well.

As you mentioned guys can make mistakes in big spots, but that applies to the defense as well. When you put non factors on the floor, and don't put any pressure on the defense outside of the guy who has the ball, you make their job a helluva lot easier.

So you've gone back and forth this whole time and never acknowledged the personnel on the floor. That's why I'm arguing what I'm arguing. I've already questioned the decision of the personnel. So my point is BASED ON WHO WAS ON THE FLOOR, I don't want anyone else touching the ball anyway. You give the ball to Blake and live with the results. If I knew going in that my last attempt would be Blake vs. Dinwiddie free throw line extended, I'd tell the other perimeter guys they might as well take a knee. There's no reason Blake couldn't get off a better shot. He had just did it on RHJ who's bigger and stronger.

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[Blomberg]

We should have lost the Sixers game.

why?

We were basically down the whole game. Needed some luck & cluth performances to get into OT and pick up a win. We stole that one from Philly.

[hoophabit]

I'd tell the other perimeter guys they might as well take a knee. There's no reason Blake couldn't get off a better shot. He had just did it on RHJ who's bigger and stronger.

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I'm reading this that RHJ is bigger and stronger? BG is listed as 6'10 250 lbs and RHJ as 6'7" 220 lbs? Not sure a scale and tape would register that big a difference, but Blake looks bigger to me.

[DetroitSho]

I'd tell the other perimeter guys they might as well take a knee. There's no reason Blake couldn't get off a better shot. He had just did it on RHJ who's bigger and stronger.

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I'm reading this that RHJ is bigger and stronger? BG is listed as 6'10 250 lbs and RHJ as 6'7" 220 lbs? Not sure a scale and tape would register that big a difference, but Blake looks bigger to me.

Bigger and stronger than Dinwiddie. The prior sentence provided the context.

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[thesack12]

I think you're not able to distinguish the difference between Steve Kerr/Robert Horry and Bruce Brown/Stanley Johnson. Blake Griffin vs. Dinwiddie 16 feet from the basket is literally better than ANY potential shot those two can provide in that situation. I don't care if it IS a backdoor cut and potential layup.

You know who made a name for themselves after a backdoor cut on a last second shot attempt? JR Smith. George Hill missed a game winning opportunity at the free throw line and Smith had a mental meltdown. Not saying LeBron didn't make the right play but once the ball left the best player's hands everyone who touched it after that F'd up in their own way.

Down one point, literally the only shot a team would refuse to give up is a layup/backdoor cut. So what you're asking for is either for someone to cut and Blake force it into traffic and MAYBE the player gets off a contested shot in traffic. Orrrrrrrrrr you really want off the ball action to lead to some type of kick out opportunity. So tell me, which kick out opportunity is better than Blake 16 feet from the rim 1 on 1 vs. a PG? Blake should've gotten off a much better shot, period.

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First off Brown wasn't on the floor for that last play. The Lineup was Ish/Reggie/Stanley/Blake/Dre.

Secondly, I completely agree the personnel was a bad choice for that situation. You see I guess I'm not being clear enough, but the "play" is what I'm critical of not the outcome of Blake getting the last shot. There is a lot involved in the draw up to that "play." Its not just a simple matter of "95% of the NBA runs an ISO at the end of games." The decision of who to put on the floor, how to get the ball to whomever you want to have it, and what the others players do off the ball.

In that situation, Stanley should not have even been a consideration to be on the floor. He has no value out there a screener/cutter/shooter/passer. I can understand Reggie being out there to an extent, but not with what they drew up and what they had him do. Reggie isn't a great off ball player, and not a good spot up guy. With what the design was, they should of had two of Galloway/GR3/Calderon in there in place of Stanley and Reggie. At least those three are threats to knock down a jumper and have the tendency to move around bit. Dre was solely in there for a potential tap in put back, which is fair enough.

What I'm asking is a little off ball movement. Of course, I'm not saying it would have definitely led to open lay up or wide open kickout. What I'm saying is movement off the ball and setting screens puts pressure on the defense to rotate and and at the very least take their eyes off the ball. What we had last night was Reggie and Stanley literally being statues in opposite corners, and Ish meandering 5 feet outside the 3 point arc after the faked handoff.

Could Blake have gotten a better shot off, sure probably. But when nobody is doing anything to give him a pass option or helping open a gap for him, he didn't have much to work with Dinwiddie smothering him and both RHJ and Dudley shading the paint to close it off, and the other 2 Nets having all eyes on him ready to collapse as well.

As you mentioned guys can make mistakes in big spots, but that applies to the defense as well. When you put non factors on the floor, and don't put any pressure on the defense outside of the guy who has the ball, you make their job a helluva lot easier.

So you've gone back and forth this whole time and never acknowledged the personnel on the floor. That's why I'm arguing what I'm arguing. I've already questioned the decision of the personnel. So my point is BASED ON WHO WAS ON THE FLOOR, I don't want anyone else touching the ball anyway. You give the ball to Blake and live with the results. If I knew going in that my last attempt would be Blake vs. Dinwiddie free throw line extended, I'd tell the other perimeter guys they might as well take a knee. There's no reason Blake couldn't get off a better shot. He had just did it on RHJ who's bigger and stronger.

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I mentioned personnel in previous posts regarding the play call, although you weren't quoted in them so you might have missed it.

In any event, on floor lineups is a key part to play calling/design. Especially coming out of a timeout when you have full control of who you want on the floor.

But we've both stated our thoughts pretty thoroughly on the matter, so I'm ready to move on from the topic.

[Crymson]

Everyone was cold all night.

Code for "this roster sucks."