Kyle Korver?

[theBigLip]

Too old? We certainly can always use some shooting. Galloway and Ellenson? I guess I'm always dreaming of discarding our scraps and getting something useful. What do you think it would take to get Korver? Would you even want him?

[Kilo]

I'd want a bigger deal with Reggie Jackson and George Hill involved. But I digress...

They'll be looking for a late first for awhile I think. I don't pay that.

I wonder if they'd do Stanley Johnson* for Korver. Would we?

(*Would have to be Johnson + Galloway for salary matching purposes)

[Kilo]

As for that bigger deal -

Reggie Jackson
Stanley Johnson
Langston Galloway

for

George Hill
Kyle Korver

However Hill is a huge expiring, so they'll probably try to sell that for crap and a first rounder. But if Gilbert thinks this team could still make noise maybe the Reggie+Stanley is enough to get him to move.

This trade would also save us $1.4M, so give us more breathing room under the tax. We could possibly afford a vet minimum player with it.

[vege]

I Posted a Galloway/SJ for Korver a few days ago and the consensus was this is terriible for Cleveland, they'd want expirings + a 2nd at least and we can't offer either.

[thesack12]

Yeah, I think some people need to take a step back and realize that there is a reason why we all want to trade the Leuers/Galloways/Stanleys/Jacksons/Ellensons, and that is same exact reason why they have no value around the league and definitely won't be able to get actually good players.

I guess some people forget that there are 30 teams in the league, and when an asset like a Jimmy Butler or Kyle Korver comes across the block their current teams will have several offers to choose from. Detroit's package offer for any actually good player can and will EASILY get beat.

[pistonsbball]

Korver ain't coming to the Pistons, folks. I expect to see him go back to Philly.

[Kilo]

If every player on the Pistons is the drizzling **** - why bother being a fan with such a view?

Reggie Jackson was a negative because of contract and injuries - he's healthy now and his contract is only 2 yrs (including this one) - two year contracts are traded regularly. He's not a fit in Casey's offense doesn't mean he's a bad player with negative value.

Stanley Johnson is 15 YEARS younger than Korver - and Korver doesn't play any defense even in his prime. Korver is 37 years old now - playing 15 minutes a game. Damn straight he can still shoot the 3-ball, but that is literally it. A late FRP vs Johnson is a wash value wise IMO, we don't like Stanley because the Piston fanbase is diseased and only focus on the warts and get drunk on negativity.

Galloway is a rotation player on the Cavs when they're otherwise running out Hood or JR Smith. He's owed $7M this year and next. Overpaid, but not ugly.

[thesack12]

If every player on the Pistons is the drizzling **** - why bother being a fan with such a view?

Reggie Jackson was a negative because of contract and injuries - he's healthy now and his contract is only 2 yrs (including this one) - two year contracts are traded regularly. He's not a fit in Casey's offense doesn't mean he's a bad player with negative value.

Stanley Johnson is 15 YEARS younger than Korver - and Korver doesn't play any defense even in his prime. Korver is 37 years old now - playing 15 minutes a game. Damn straight he can still shoot the 3-ball, but that is literally it. A late FRP vs Johnson is a wash value wise IMO, we don't like Stanley because the Piston fanbase is diseased and only focus on the warts and get drunk on negativity.

Galloway is a rotation player on the Cavs when they're otherwise running out Hood or JR Smith. He's owed $7M this year and next. Overpaid, but not ugly.

Tell me how any of these potential packages can beat what other teams will give?

BTW, I always find the "why are you a fan" takes that are frequently thrown out when someone disagrees with their standpoint pretty entertaining.

Korver is still an elite shooter, and shooting is the most coveted thing by every team. Korver's age withstanding, he's going to attract plenty of suitors on the trade market.

Again, when there is competition the trading team will have options. When you have options you don't trade an actual asset for an expensive injury prone flawed PG, a bust of a draft pick with no offensive skill, or an overpaid role player who's one role is incredibly streaky.

[7r5ur]

Cool let's trade for a 38 year old Luke Kennard.

15.2mpg, 5.5ppg (50% FG, 33% 3FG), 1.2rpg, 1.2apg
14.7mpg, 5.7ppg (67% FG, 50% 3FG), 1.7rpg, 1.0apg

Who is who?

How about we just give our 22 year old some minutes when the shoulder clears up in a week or two?

[theBigLip]

If every player on the Pistons is the drizzling **** - why bother being a fan with such a view?

Reggie Jackson was a negative because of contract and injuries - he's healthy now and his contract is only 2 yrs (including this one) - two year contracts are traded regularly. He's not a fit in Casey's offense doesn't mean he's a bad player with negative value.

Stanley Johnson is 15 YEARS younger than Korver - and Korver doesn't play any defense even in his prime. Korver is 37 years old now - playing 15 minutes a game. Damn straight he can still shoot the 3-ball, but that is literally it. A late FRP vs Johnson is a wash value wise IMO, we don't like Stanley because the Piston fanbase is diseased and only focus on the warts and get drunk on negativity.

Galloway is a rotation player on the Cavs when they're otherwise running out Hood or JR Smith. He's owed $7M this year and next. Overpaid, but not ugly.

Tell me how any of these potential packages can beat what other teams will give?

BTW, I always find the "why are you a fan" takes that are frequently thrown out when someone disagrees with their standpoint pretty entertaining.

Korver is still an elite shooter, and shooting is the most coveted thing by every team. Korver's age withstanding, he's going to attract plenty of suitors on the trade market.

Again, when there is competition the trading team will have options. When you have options you don't trade an actual asset for an expensive injury prone flawed PG, a bust of a draft pick with no offensive skill, or an overpaid role player who's one role is incredibly streaky.

I agree with you there are 30 teams in the league and we have to beat their offers, but you also need to consider every opportunity is different. Some teams have cap room, some need to drop some. Some have good teams already, some don't. And as with Korver, some need an single skilled, outside shooter, and others don't. So I think these trades are still worth discussing - we get surprised all the time.

It is obvious that Cleveland wants to play their younger players which is why they fired Lue for being subordinate. And good for him for leaving that sinking ship. So Korver and (gasp) JR Smith are certainly available. I'd certainly be on the phone with the Cavs to see what is possible. JR Smith may be dumb as a rock, but he can still shoot better than most of our team. Would you rather have Galloway/Leuer or JR Smith? All 2 year contracts, we would actually save a bit of money.

[theBigLip]

Cool let's trade for a 38 year old Luke Kennard.

15.2mpg, 5.5ppg (50% FG, 33% 3FG), 1.2rpg, 1.2apg
14.7mpg, 5.7ppg (67% FG, 50% 3FG), 1.7rpg, 1.0apg

Who is who?

Kennard is the one that is injured and can't play right now

[Crymson]

Too old? We certainly can always use some shooting. Galloway and Ellenson? I guess I'm always dreaming of discarding our scraps and getting something useful. What do you think it would take to get Korver? Would you even want him?

You're correct... you're wanting to discard our trash for another team's assets. We cannot get Korver without sending a bad contract, i.e. Galloway or Leuer. Why would Cleveland do that? Anyway, Korver would only compete with Kennard for minutes and will do little to help this team's bottom line. Kennard will be back soon enough.

As for that bigger deal -

Reggie Jackson
Stanley Johnson
Langston Galloway

for

George Hill
Kyle Korver

However Hill is a huge expiring, so they'll probably try to sell that for crap and a first rounder. But if Gilbert thinks this team could still make noise maybe the Reggie+Stanley is enough to get him to move.

This trade would also save us $1.4M, so give us more breathing room under the tax. We could possibly afford a vet minimum player with it.

Yes, maybe Dan Gilbert will decide he loves Detroit SO much that he's willing to fleece his own team in a trade. Hill is better than Jackson, who has not been a good PG since 2015-2016 and is currently $35m of total garbage. Galloway is a bad contract, Stanley is a failure. So Cleveland somehow manages to get worse while also adding about $15m of salary. No dice, guy.

Reggie Jackson was a negative because of contract and injuries - he's healthy now and his contract is only 2 yrs (including this one) - two year contracts are traded regularly. He's not a fit in Casey's offense doesn't mean he's a bad player with negative value.

Healthy. No. He's very much not healthy. He has in fact possibly been the worst starting point guard in the league so far. Significantly worse than Hill. Have you not been watching the games? Have you not seen how bad he looks? Or do you think Cleveland or someone else might be attracted to a gimpy yet very expensive point guard who cannot shoot nor play defense?

Stanley Johnson is 15 YEARS younger than Korver - and Korver doesn't play any defense even in his prime. Korver is 37 years old now - playing 15 minutes a game. Damn straight he can still shoot the 3-ball, but that is literally it. A late FRP vs Johnson is a wash value wise IMO, we don't like Stanley because the Piston fanbase is diseased and only focus on the warts and get drunk on negativity.

We don't like Johnson because he is an ineffective player. Sorry, but that's the truth about him.

Galloway is a rotation player on the Cavs when they're otherwise running out Hood or JR Smith. He's owed $7M this year and next. Overpaid, but not ugly.

Galloway has negative value to the Cavaliers, and no value to anyone else.

If every player on the Pistons is the drizzling **** - why bother being a fan with such a view?

Many people here are more interested in the facts than you are. That doesn't make them non-fans, you're just plain wrong in your evaluations.

[7r5ur]

Cool let's trade for a 38 year old Luke Kennard.

15.2mpg, 5.5ppg (50% FG, 33% 3FG), 1.2rpg, 1.2apg
14.7mpg, 5.7ppg (67% FG, 50% 3FG), 1.7rpg, 1.0apg

Who is who?

Kennard is the one that is injured and can't play right now

Some of ya'll have no patience

Didn't they say 2-3 weeks a week ago? By the time Korver got on a flight here and cleared his medical, Luke would basically be ready to go!

[thesack12]

If every player on the Pistons is the drizzling **** - why bother being a fan with such a view?

Reggie Jackson was a negative because of contract and injuries - he's healthy now and his contract is only 2 yrs (including this one) - two year contracts are traded regularly. He's not a fit in Casey's offense doesn't mean he's a bad player with negative value.

Stanley Johnson is 15 YEARS younger than Korver - and Korver doesn't play any defense even in his prime. Korver is 37 years old now - playing 15 minutes a game. Damn straight he can still shoot the 3-ball, but that is literally it. A late FRP vs Johnson is a wash value wise IMO, we don't like Stanley because the Piston fanbase is diseased and only focus on the warts and get drunk on negativity.

Galloway is a rotation player on the Cavs when they're otherwise running out Hood or JR Smith. He's owed $7M this year and next. Overpaid, but not ugly.

Tell me how any of these potential packages can beat what other teams will give?

BTW, I always find the "why are you a fan" takes that are frequently thrown out when someone disagrees with their standpoint pretty entertaining.

Korver is still an elite shooter, and shooting is the most coveted thing by every team. Korver's age withstanding, he's going to attract plenty of suitors on the trade market.

Again, when there is competition the trading team will have options. When you have options you don't trade an actual asset for an expensive injury prone flawed PG, a bust of a draft pick with no offensive skill, or an overpaid role player who's one role is incredibly streaky.

I agree with you there are 30 teams in the league and we have to beat their offers, but you also need to consider every opportunity is different. Some teams have cap room, some need to drop some. Some have good teams already, some don't. And as with Korver, some need an single skilled, outside shooter, and others don't. So I think these trades are still worth discussing - we get surprised all the time.

It is obvious that Cleveland wants to play their younger players which is why they fired Lue for being subordinate. And good for him for leaving that sinking ship. So Korver and (gasp) JR Smith are certainly available. I'd certainly be on the phone with the Cavs to see what is possible. JR Smith may be dumb as a rock, but he can still shoot better than most of our team. Would you rather have Galloway/Leuer or JR Smith? All 2 year contracts, we would actually save a bit of money.

Oh no, I agree. I'm not saying things like this shouldn't be discussed, after all its the reason why we're all here and message boards were created.

What I'm alluding to is that we often fail to consider and discuss things from the other side's point of view, and the "why" it would make sense from other teams perspective.

[thesack12]

Cool let's trade for a 38 year old Luke Kennard.

15.2mpg, 5.5ppg (50% FG, 33% 3FG), 1.2rpg, 1.2apg
14.7mpg, 5.7ppg (67% FG, 50% 3FG), 1.7rpg, 1.0apg

Who is who?

Kennard is the one that is injured and can't play right now

Some of ya'll have no patience

Didn't they say 2-3 weeks a week ago? By the time Korver got on a flight here and cleared his medical, Luke would basically be ready to go!

This team needs more than one reliable wing shooter. Plus Reggie Bullock is VERY unlikely to return next season.

So I can see the appeal of why people would want to bring in Korver, who is under team control for next year as well.

[7r5ur]

Kennard is the one that is injured and can't play right now

Some of ya'll have no patience

Didn't they say 2-3 weeks a week ago? By the time Korver got on a flight here and cleared his medical, Luke would basically be ready to go!

This team needs more than one reliable wing shooter. Plus Reggie Bullock is VERY unlikely to return next season.

So I can see the appeal of why people would want to bring in Korver, who is under team control for next year as well.

But Casey had one and wasn't even playing him regular minutes before the injury...

In a perfect world, yeah, you bring in Korver and get more shooters on the floor. In the real world where we've got a coach that leans on veterans, this would mean 2 more years of Luke watching from the bench because to Casey he's just the replacement with "experience". We've seen it with Galloway getting un-earned minutes.

Bullock not returning is even more reason to get Kennard regular minutes this season. We need to be grooming him as the starter for next season. Bringing in an old guy with a similar skill set when Casey already seems stingy with his minutes is not the way you do that.

Worry about replacing Bullock in the offseason. At the rate he's playing now that can probably be done with any SG from the GR Drive.

[thesack12]

Some of ya'll have no patience

Didn't they say 2-3 weeks a week ago? By the time Korver got on a flight here and cleared his medical, Luke would basically be ready to go!

This team needs more than one reliable wing shooter. Plus Reggie Bullock is VERY unlikely to return next season.

So I can see the appeal of why people would want to bring in Korver, who is under team control for next year as well.

But Casey had one and wasn't even playing him regular minutes before the injury...

In a perfect world, yeah, you bring in Korver and get more shooters on the floor. In the real world where we've got a coach that leans on veterans, this would mean 2 more years of Luke watching from the bench because to Casey he's just the replacement with "experience". We've seen it with Galloway getting un-earned minutes.

Bullock not returning is even more reason to get Kennard regular minutes this season. Bringing in an old guy with a similar skill set when Casey already seems stingy with his minutes is not the way you do that.

Worry about replacing Bullock in the offseason. At the rate he's playing now that can probably be done with any SG from the GR Drive.

I disagree with the leaning on vets take. Bruce Brown getting meaningful burn so far this season is my main reason why. Hell just last night Brown played 29 minutes and GR3 only played 14, Galloway 6, Calderon 16.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

JJ Redick instead of Korver... But Philly won't bite.

[Manocad]

Yep, Korver could really make a difference on this team alright.

Sigh.

[7r5ur]

This team needs more than one reliable wing shooter. Plus Reggie Bullock is VERY unlikely to return next season.

So I can see the appeal of why people would want to bring in Korver, who is under team control for next year as well.

But Casey had one and wasn't even playing him regular minutes before the injury...

In a perfect world, yeah, you bring in Korver and get more shooters on the floor. In the real world where we've got a coach that leans on veterans, this would mean 2 more years of Luke watching from the bench because to Casey he's just the replacement with "experience". We've seen it with Galloway getting un-earned minutes.

Bullock not returning is even more reason to get Kennard regular minutes this season. Bringing in an old guy with a similar skill set when Casey already seems stingy with his minutes is not the way you do that.

Worry about replacing Bullock in the offseason. At the rate he's playing now that can probably be done with any SG from the GR Drive.

I disagree with the leaning on vets take. Bruce Brown getting meaningful burn so far this season is my main reason why. Hell just last night Brown played 29 minutes and GR3 only played 14, Galloway 6, Calderon 16.

Sure, but that's largely because he's the only guard on the team that can defend... Especially with Bullock out. The difference with Korver/Kennard is that their strengths and weaknesses are very similar. If Casey had an option similar to Brown but with more experience, we can guess who he'd go for.

I just think Korver is redundant, unnecessary, and the downside of eating Kennard's minutes far outweigh the upside that I'm not even sure exists...