Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[payitforward]

Kanter is an expiring contract. Throw in Jason smith going to us. If u want to throw another contract like satoransky we can do that..If im the Gm of the Knicks i just cut every player coming to the Knicks in this transaction.

u add 3 rotation players in this deal and shed some dead weight and a lot of salary.

The problem is that they are three rotation players we just don't need. Burke isn't going to play behind Sato. Howard is coming back so Kanter would be a problem. So, you are really talking about taking on a two year contract of Lee for Mahimni.

So, the deal you are really presenting is Lee for Mahimni + First. I think we would be better off looking for a Mahimni + First for an expiring.

Guess this deal is dead as a doornail.

With howard coming back you still need a backup. Kanter is one of the best backup bigs in the league.
Courtney Lee is one of the best 3 D players in the league. Consistent 40% from 3 shooter and a good defender.
Trey Burke is a solid NBA player. He definitely turned things around.

Id consider a Kanter for Mahimimi + FRP deal, but id like to dump Lees contract if i can. Taking on Mahmimi contract now means we have 0 shot at Durant next year. Not sure if it would be worth it for us to take on that salary.

You keep knocking, but there is no door there.

With a couple of exceptions (above all, Hezonja), you guys had a tremendous off-season -- Vonleh is producing big-time, Robinson was an amazing steal, Trier too. Knox needs to figure it, but his 3 tells me he will (how can anyone shoot a lower % from the line than on 3's?! ). Dotson also looks like a really good young player. If Hezonja & Thomas sat rather than playing, you might have 4 or more wins instead of 2 at this point.

[nate33]

Change the first round pick to a second round pick and that would work.

no. Mahinmi is one of the most overpaid players in the league and is a 10th-15th man. Rivers is kinda trash.

3 rotation players in exchange for 0 rotation players and a terrible contract.

first round pick or we cant talk. U can throw in Jason smith if u want to save money from his contract this season.

No argument about Mahinmi. Or Rivers. But, that doesn't make it a good trade for us.

First off, the trade leaves us in the tax. We can't be there. Secondly, it doesn't really make us enough better to matter this year.

Then, next year, after the expirings go away, we have Courtney Lee instead of Mahinmi ($5m savings & a better player, but not enough difference to make a difference), & we don't have a (probably lottery pick) rookie.

Doesn't make sense for us. We're not in a position to give up another R1 pick.

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

[Knicksfan20]

Doesn't make sense for us. We're not in a position to give up another R1 pick.

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.[/quote]

Zion Williams is projected to go out of the top 10? hadnt realized that.

[daSwami]

Thus far in his Wizards tenure, EG has shown no interest in acquiring appreciable assets (i.e., picks, young "upside" types). I always assumed it was because he had a "win-now" mandate held over his head, but that theory doesn't hold water because if it were true he wouldn't be here. So I have no point other than to say I'm fine with trading ANYONE on the team in exchange for picks. His new mandate should be to stockpile appreciable assets to pass along to the next GM (Millellie?)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Would Otto and a 2020 first get us Butler?

Would we do it?

Not me.

[nate33]

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

Zion Williams is projected to go out of the top 10? hadnt realized that.

We are currently the worst team in the league.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

no. Mahinmi is one of the most overpaid players in the league and is a 10th-15th man. Rivers is kinda trash.

3 rotation players in exchange for 0 rotation players and a terrible contract.

first round pick or we cant talk. U can throw in Jason smith if u want to save money from his contract this season.

No argument about Mahinmi. Or Rivers. But, that doesn't make it a good trade for us.

First off, the trade leaves us in the tax. We can't be there. Secondly, it doesn't really make us enough better to matter this year.

Then, next year, after the expirings go away, we have Courtney Lee instead of Mahinmi ($5m savings & a better player, but not enough difference to make a difference), & we don't have a (probably lottery pick) rookie.

Doesn't make sense for us. We're not in a position to give up another R1 pick.

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

Exactly...


However, the Wizards generally snatch mediocrity with a death grip. This team finishes somewhere between 39-42 wins is MY BEST GUESS at this moment.

38-38 would be .500 the rest of the way. Low end MEDIOCRE guess of 39 wins. 39-43
41-35 would be .539 and a 42-40 record. HIGH END mediocre guess of 42 wins. 42-40

Now, lets call those the top of the bell curve. *Gaussian distribution* .... those are MOST LIKELY outcomes. PLUS OR MINUS 8 GAMES would pretty much encompass the EXTREMES.

MEDIOCRE...PLUS *8*..... 50-32 is THE LEONSIS FACTOR... you better, if you know what's good for you win this.

At this point, it will take a 49-27 the rest of the way. POSSIBLE but NOT LIKELY.

WORST RECORD I CAN IMAGINE TODAY ... Mediocre low minus 8 games. 31 wins. 30-46 the rest of the way.. ALSO, POSSIBLE but not likely.

[Dat2U]

no. Mahinmi is one of the most overpaid players in the league and is a 10th-15th man. Rivers is kinda trash.

3 rotation players in exchange for 0 rotation players and a terrible contract.

first round pick or we cant talk. U can throw in Jason smith if u want to save money from his contract this season.

No argument about Mahinmi. Or Rivers. But, that doesn't make it a good trade for us.

First off, the trade leaves us in the tax. We can't be there. Secondly, it doesn't really make us enough better to matter this year.

Then, next year, after the expirings go away, we have Courtney Lee instead of Mahinmi ($5m savings & a better player, but not enough difference to make a difference), & we don't have a (probably lottery pick) rookie.

Doesn't make sense for us. We're not in a position to give up another R1 pick.

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

[Knicksfan20]

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

Zion Williams is projected to go out of the top 10? hadnt realized that.

We are currently the worst team in the league.

Hence the top 10 protection on the pick ?

[dangermouse]

What about just Porter for Butler straight up?

Wolves get a young SF that fits with their team who's locked into a contract. We roll the dice on Butler righting this ship, I think thats possible.

I saw in another thread that people were talking about trading Beal. Why? Higher trade value? Is the rift between himself and Wall really true? Can someone who agrees with trading Beal explain it to me.

Wall is looking strong, is playing pretty good D and is getting to the rim with ease. A few too many threes but honestly some of them are because he is getting the ball back late in the clock after yet another set play goes off like a fart in a sauna. He looks, and is playing, with a frustrated mindset.

Beal has looked pretty good too. Not quite the Beal of last year that was an all-star but pretty close, espeically on D. Why trade him?

Porter isnt the same. He's chucking shots and not defending well. I mean some of the chucking might be coaching, but last year he was playing intelligently both with and without the ball. I love Porter and if he isnt traded I hope he gets back to the way he normally plays....

But if we have the opportunity to have Wall/Beal/Butler/Green/Howard as our starting lineup, we've gotta try. I think its a good deal for both teams. Not sure what sweetener we could add, a 1st is too much even with protection.

[Jaekast]

Our tank is on auto pilot now.

[nate33]

What about just Porter for Butler straight up?

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

[nate33]

What about just Porter for Butler straight up?

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

I'd actually rather make a Wall for Butler trade:

Washington trades: Wall, Rivers, Morris
Minnesota trades: Butler, Teague

I'd love to see us trot out: Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter and Howard with a bench of Teague, Oubre, Brown, Green and Mahinmi. It would clear the deck to allow the highly competitive Butler be the leader in the locker room. Beal plays the role he's most suited for, as a 2nd option scorer. And Sato would happily sacrifice shots and ego to feed Butler, Beal, Porter and Howard the ball. All those guys play defense. Teague and Mahinmi come off the books in 2020, giving us some flexibility to address the center position.

Minnesota does it because they don't want to trade Butler for a bunch of picks when Towns is ready now, and they're not going to get a star better than Wall.

[payitforward]

What about just Porter for Butler straight up?

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

I'd actually rather make a Wall for Butler trade:

Washington trades: Wall, Rivers, Morris
Minnesota trades: Butler, Teague

I'd love to see us trot out: Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter and Howard with a bench of Teague, Oubre, Brown, Green and Mahinmi. It would clear the deck to allow the highly competitive Butler be the leader in the locker room. Beal plays the role he's most suited for, as a 2nd option scorer. And Sato would happily sacrifice shots and ego to feed Butler, Beal, Porter and Howard the ball. All those guys play defense. Teague and Mahinmi come off the books in 2020, giving us some flexibility to address the center position.

Minnesota does it because they don't want to trade Butler for a bunch of picks when Towns is ready now, and they're not going to get a star better than Wall.

Make it happen!!

But... I don't think it has legs, alas. For one thing, I think Thibs is trying to win now w/ Butler to convince him to stay. Plus, this trade gives them some serious salary issues next year.

[WallToWall]

What about just Porter for Butler straight up?

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

I'd actually rather make a Wall for Butler trade:

Washington trades: Wall, Rivers, Morris
Minnesota trades: Butler, Teague

I'd love to see us trot out: Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter and Howard with a bench of Teague, Oubre, Brown, Green and Mahinmi. It would clear the deck to allow the highly competitive Butler be the leader in the locker room. Beal plays the role he's most suited for, as a 2nd option scorer. And Sato would happily sacrifice shots and ego to feed Butler, Beal, Porter and Howard the ball. All those guys play defense. Teague and Mahinmi come off the books in 2020, giving us some flexibility to address the center position.

Minnesota does it because they don't want to trade Butler for a bunch of picks when Towns is ready now, and they're not going to get a star better than Wall.

Butler will walk away after this season, so this effectively becomes giving Wall away for Teague. Not saying this is a bad deal, as it get the $$ of Wall contract off the books. However, it would be better if we could get some assurances that Butler would re-sign with us.

[nate33]

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

I'd actually rather make a Wall for Butler trade:

Washington trades: Wall, Rivers, Morris
Minnesota trades: Butler, Teague

I'd love to see us trot out: Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter and Howard with a bench of Teague, Oubre, Brown, Green and Mahinmi. It would clear the deck to allow the highly competitive Butler be the leader in the locker room. Beal plays the role he's most suited for, as a 2nd option scorer. And Sato would happily sacrifice shots and ego to feed Butler, Beal, Porter and Howard the ball. All those guys play defense. Teague and Mahinmi come off the books in 2020, giving us some flexibility to address the center position.

Minnesota does it because they don't want to trade Butler for a bunch of picks when Towns is ready now, and they're not going to get a star better than Wall.

Make it happen!!

But... I don't think it has legs, alas. For one thing, I think Thibs is trying to win now w/ Butler to convince him to stay. Plus, this trade gives them some serious salary issues next year.

I agree that it's unlikely. But the trade I put together does address some of their salary issues. We are taking on Teague, who is owed $19M next year and giving them expiring contracts. That will give them the room to pay for Wall's extension. They were going to have to pay for Butler's raise anyhow, so it's not like it changes their salary structure.

The drawback for them is that Butler is better than Wall for the same money. Obviously, if possible, they'd prefer to keep Butler. But if it's not possible, who else is going to trade them a better player than Wall?

[nate33]

I could see both teams doing this.

Minnesota will first try hard at get a SG in a deal, but if that falls through, getting a shooter like Porter will help them a lot. I have real doubts about whether Butler can mesh well with this roster, but it's worth a shot. God knows the status quo isn't going to work.

I'd actually rather make a Wall for Butler trade:

Washington trades: Wall, Rivers, Morris
Minnesota trades: Butler, Teague

I'd love to see us trot out: Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter and Howard with a bench of Teague, Oubre, Brown, Green and Mahinmi. It would clear the deck to allow the highly competitive Butler be the leader in the locker room. Beal plays the role he's most suited for, as a 2nd option scorer. And Sato would happily sacrifice shots and ego to feed Butler, Beal, Porter and Howard the ball. All those guys play defense. Teague and Mahinmi come off the books in 2020, giving us some flexibility to address the center position.

Minnesota does it because they don't want to trade Butler for a bunch of picks when Towns is ready now, and they're not going to get a star better than Wall.

Butler will walk away after this season, so this effectively becomes giving Wall away for Teague. Not saying this is a bad deal, as it get the $$ of Wall contract off the books. However, it would be better if we could get some assurances that Butler would re-sign with us.

With Bird Rights, we would be in position to pay Butler more than other teams. And if he has success alongside Beal, Porter and Howard, why would he be a sure bet to leave?

[queridiculo]

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Butler will walk away after this season, so this effectively becomes giving Wall away for Teague. Not saying this is a bad deal, as it get the $$ of Wall contract off the books. However, it would be better if we could get some assurances that Butler would re-sign with us.

Losing Butler following the season isn't necessarily a bad thing, at that point the Wizards essentially save themselves close to $200 million dollars and are free to rebuild the team, being able to go a in a multitude of directions.

For example, Teague opts-in (unlikely), you leverage the cap space to round the roster out with veterans to remain competitive in the hunt for the playoffs, or if he opts-out, you just go on all in tank and set your eyes on 20/21 free agency.

With that much salary cap space at your disposal picking up a few future draft picks in exchange for absorbing some unfavorable deals also becomes an option.

Then in 20/21, ;et's say Durant opts-in to next years deal with the Warriors, you're talking enough cap space to potentially make a run at both Durant AND Davis.

Perhaps this time around the idea of "rehabilitating" his image with one of the losingest franchises, the hometown team no less, might actually have some appeal to Durant, and with him in the fold along with Porter and Beal, Davis might look at DC as quite favorable.

In the years leading up to this the Wizards may have gotten a bit lucky in the draft for once and you're talking about a team that's got to be looked at as a clear cut favorite in the East.

At this point fans are upset about the forever bumbling Wizards isn't something that'd be a hard sell.

[nate33]

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Butler will walk away after this season, so this effectively becomes giving Wall away for Teague. Not saying this is a bad deal, as it get the $$ of Wall contract off the books. However, it would be better if we could get some assurances that Butler would re-sign with us.

Losing Butler following the season isn't necessarily a bad thing, at that point the Wizards essentially save themselves close to $200 million dollars and are free to rebuild the team, being able to go a in a multitude of directions.

For example, Teague opts-in (unlikely), you leverage the cap space to round the roster out with veterans to remain competitive in the hunt for the playoffs, or if he opts-out, you just go on all in tank and set your eyes on 20/21 free agency.

With that much salary cap space at your disposal picking up a few future draft picks in exchange for absorbing some unfavorable deals also becomes an option.

Then in 20/21, ;et's say Durant opts-in to next years deal with the Warriors, you're talking enough cap space to potentially make a run at both Durant AND Davis.

Perhaps this time around the idea of "rehabilitating" his image with one of the losingest franchises, the hometown team no less, might actually have some appeal to Durant, and with him in the fold along with Porter and Beal, Davis might look at DC as quite favorable.

In the years leading up to this the Wizards may have gotten a bit lucky in the draft for once and you're talking about a team that's got to be looked at as a clear cut favorite in the East.

At this point fans are upset about the forever bumbling Wizards isn't something that'd be a hard sell.

I agree that losing Butler wouldn't be so horrible because it opens up some flexibility. However I disagree that we are even remotely an option for Davis or Durant. This franchise has to prove they're worth something before anybody comes here. We haven't won 50 games in 40 years and in the John Wall era, they've had maybe one season (2 years ago) where they arguably exceeded expectations relative to their talent level.

The franchise is a joke. They're unprofessional, dated, and have no institutional leadership. No elite star will come here. The only caveat would be if they somehow landed a top 3 pick and drafted a superstar. A superstar obtained via pure luck is the only way to offset the ineptitude of management.

[King Ken]

As a NBA fan in general, I see this team like my Hawks with Horford/Sap/Teague but no where near as good chemistry wise. Since no one is offering anything reasonable, I would honestly, just tank this season and since half of the team is free agents anyway that don't matter, my goals are simple- Get Zion Williamson. Simple as that. I would tank if I was Washington. Sit Beal and Porter and just tank.

No one is going to give you fair value for Beal. No one.
No one wants Wall's contract.
Porter just will not get back the value that's needed. He is too valuable to move. Just tank, get a top prospect and maybe next year if the wheels are still completely off track, then look at moving Porter. Just my take.