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Post#1641 » by beeshma » Thu Nov 1, 2018 9:58 pm

New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?
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Post#1642 » by GooniousMaximus » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:22 pm

beeshma wrote:New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?


Well he’d be the only white guy on the team
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Post#1643 » by Neeva » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:25 pm

Hayward looks like damaged goods and that contract
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Post#1644 » by Nick K » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:33 pm

beeshma wrote:New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?


It will never happen because of the relationship Hayward has with his college coach Brad Stevens.
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Post#1645 » by wesleyt95 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:42 pm

Nick K wrote:
beeshma wrote:New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?


It will never happen because of the relationship Hayward has with his college coach Brad Stevens.


Doc Rivers traded his own son, this is a business
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Post#1646 » by Nick K » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:59 pm

wesleyt95 wrote:
Nick K wrote:
beeshma wrote:New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?


It will never happen because of the relationship Hayward has with his college coach Brad Stevens.


Doc Rivers traded his own son, this is a business


Don't confuse the two. Vastly different situations. Doc had his son for several years and made him rich.

Boston gave up a lot for Hayward and Stevens lobbied hard to get him. He's hardly played for Stevens when injured. It aint happening.

I would trade Butler for him anyday for what that's worth but it's not happening. I'd trade Butler to N.O. for Davis too but that's not happening either.
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Post#1647 » by wesleyt95 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:10 pm

Nick K wrote:
wesleyt95 wrote:
Nick K wrote:
It will never happen because of the relationship Hayward has with his college coach Brad Stevens.


Doc Rivers traded his own son, this is a business


Don't confuse the two. Vastly different situations. Doc had his son for several years and made him rich.

Boston gave up a lot for Hayward and Stevens lobbied hard to get him. He's hardly played for Stevens when injured. It aint happening.

I would trade Butler for him anyday for what that's worth but it's not happening. I'd trade Butler to N.O. for Davis too but that's not happening either.


I'm not confusing anything and at the end of the day the decision is up to Danny Ainge, Stevens doesn't have as much power as Doc Rivers in any situation... And idk why you're even using Hayward and AD in the same breath, behind closed curtains Ainge would probably be lucky to trade Butler for Hayward straight up right now; he's coming off a catastrophic injury, out of sync, less of a defender and about the same age...
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Post#1648 » by PharmD » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:13 pm

Boston gave up a lot for Hayward? He was just a free agent signing.
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Post#1649 » by wesleyt95 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:16 pm

PharmD wrote:Boston gave up a lot for Hayward? He was just a free agent signing.


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Post#1650 » by packforfreedom » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:21 pm

Jimmy with another comment about Rose's peformance.

Well actually it's a comment about himself of course.


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Post#1651 » by wco81 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:30 pm

Hayward has a player option in 2 seasons.

For like $35 million.
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Post#1652 » by Nick K » Fri Nov 2, 2018 12:13 am

PharmD wrote:Boston gave up a lot for Hayward? He was just a free agent signing.


Give up a lot? Yep, he was a free agent signing to the tune of 4 years 128 million.

You're right in that he walked from Utah.
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Post#1653 » by twix2500 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 12:51 am

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Post#1654 » by Calinks » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:10 am

twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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I agree with you that that is a pretty decent deal. Two rotation guys and a pick is a good get and its probably my favorite offer of the bunch.
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Post#1655 » by King Malta » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:13 am

Calinks wrote:Posts will be interesting in here tomorrow night if Butler goes off and we beat the Warriors. Just amusing how we flip flop


True, but I think it's possible to be consistent in a belief that he's an elite player but a duplicitous, self interested prick who seems to enjoy creating conflict then deflecting the blame.

I'll be interested to see if he can play nicely with others at his next team
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Post#1656 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:17 am

twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Yeah, Minnesota isnt going to take long term salary back in a jimmy deal unless dieng goes out.

Id rather have okogie than Winslow. Olynyk spaces our offense, but doesnt help our defense. And Richardson is a nice player, but he isnt some young game changer you trade a top 15 NBA player for. Wheres 3? I see only 2 unless you are including dieng and/or you can see into the future and know that pick will be decent.

With the emergence of okogie, I think Im good with a Okogie/Wiggins wing tandem going into the next decade.
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Post#1657 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:21 am

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twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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I agree with you that that is a pretty decent deal. Two rotation guys and a pick is a good get and its probably my favorite offer of the bunch.


I liked the Heat deal because i thought we absolutely needed to get a wing back, but Okogie has made me see the light.

Im hoping for a philly rumor or just taking the Rockets deal and flipping Gordon to a team with a young PF.
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Post#1658 » by Calinks » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:27 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Calinks wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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I agree with you that that is a pretty decent deal. Two rotation guys and a pick is a good get and its probably my favorite offer of the bunch.


I liked the Heat deal because i thought we absolutely needed to get a wing back, but Okogie has made me see the light.

Im hoping for a philly rumor or just taking the Rockets deal and flipping Gordon to a team with a young PF.

I dont think its bad to have two potential elite defensive wings, if in a year or two Richardson seems to be hampering Okogie's development or something he can easily be moved. Rockets deal is interesting too but I'd rather get pieces to build a strong team now. I want to be poised to make noise within the next couple of seasons.
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Post#1659 » by Neeva » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:37 am

I’d wait for the lakers to make an offer
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twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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I agree with you that that is a pretty decent deal. Two rotation guys and a pick is a good get and its probably my favorite offer of the bunch.


I liked the Heat deal because i thought we absolutely needed to get a wing back, but Okogie has made me see the light.

Im hoping for a philly rumor or just taking the Rockets deal and flipping Gordon to a team with a young PF.
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Post#1660 » by Norseman79 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 1:42 am

twix2500 wrote:I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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I like the idea of getting Richardson and the FRP. I am not a huge Olynyk guy, but I think getting Bam is asking for too much. What I want to know is has Whiteside ever been offered with Richardson? If Miami called and offered Richardson, Whiteside, and an FRP for Butler and Dieng I would be all about it. Gorgui has actually played pretty well this year, and would probably look even better in the East.

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