Need a Two-Way PG

[DET_Athletics]

watching these games, that's our main issue. Reggie Jackson will never be healthy for us, ish is serviceable, but isn't a starter and has spot moments of good defense. we need to trim the fat on our team and get some guards that can play good pick and roll defense. we probably going to have to mortgage our future for it with giving up picks.

The Fat:
Reggie Jackson
Ish Smith
Galloway
Leuer
Calderon

[Moses ShamMoses]

Ish Smith shouldn't fall in 'the fat' category. He isn't a 2 way player but you can't expect that with a backup PG either.

[Kilo]

George Hill. Cleveland has to be willing to make big moves even now. Hill is basically a big expiring though, only having a $1M buyout next season. But if Gilbert thinks he can still win now I wonder if he'd be interested in Reggie Jackson for Hill. I wouldn't mind Korver either.

Gilbert might want to sell the huge expiring for a first rounder though, but if he wants talent rather than a pure dump he might go for Reggie and Johnson for Hill and Korver.

[pistonsbball]

George Hill is washed, it'd only lead to more frustration at the PG spot. Beverley's one that's probably gettable if LA want to commit to Gilgeous-Alexander.

[JD43320]

By far the biggest needs are at SG and SF. We've gotten next to nothing from those positions for years and this year has been even worse. Brown is shooting 10% from 3, Stanley 28%, Bullock 25%, Robinson 20% and Galloway 14%. As it's been for years and years with this team is the easiest to scheme your defense against. All you have to do is pack the paint and dare our "shooters" to shoot and it's been particularly ugly this season. Getting a two way PG is not going to fix the glaring and fundamental flaw to this team.

[Crymson]

This team needs a new starting PG. It needs a new starting SF. It needs more and better scorers. It needs better defenders.

It can get none of those. It has no assets, no cap space, a ton of bad contracts. This was the cost of Van Gundy's many mistakes, the cost of acquiring Blake Griffin, the cost of refusing to rebuild.

Nothing to do but wait a couple of seasons. This team doesn't have the players required to compete. The roster is a catastrophe, the cap situation is a disaster. And other teams will not go out of their way to solve that problem for us.

George Hill. Cleveland has to be willing to make big moves even now. Hill is basically a big expiring though, only having a $1M buyout next season. But if Gilbert thinks he can still win now I wonder if he'd be interested in Reggie Jackson for Hill. I wouldn't mind Korver either.

Gilbert might want to sell the huge expiring for a first rounder though, but if he wants talent rather than a pure dump he might go for Reggie and Johnson for Hill and Korver.

Dude, sorry to say... but you are one of the biggest trade homers I have ever seen. Our trash is not another team's treasure. If Gilbert, who has always been very realistic about when rebuilding must happen, thinks he can win now--he's not Tom Gores, so the answer to that is 'no'--he will not go anywhere near Reggie Jackson. Jackson has been awful. He has been injured two straight seasons and the effects are obvious. He cannot score and he certainly cannot defend. He has been horrible. Hill is way better.

I wouldn't mind Korver either.

I'm sure you wouldn't. But Gilbert being from Detroit doesn't mean he'll pitch in to help the Pistons.

[bjones521]

what the hell happened to Bullock? he's been awful this season

[thesack12]

By far the biggest needs are at SG and SF. We've gotten next to nothing from those positions for years and this year has been even worse. Brown is shooting 10% from 3, Stanley 28%, Bullock 25%, Robinson 20% and Galloway 14%. As it's been for years and years with this team is the easiest to scheme your defense against. All you have to do is pack the paint and dare our "shooters" to shoot and it's been particularly ugly this season. Getting a two way PG is not going to fix the glaring and fundamental flaw to this team.

This.

I'd also add that this team isn't as dependent on the PG position with Blake in the fold as it has been in years past. Blake's ability to handle the ball and facilitate has seen to that.

[DBC10]

By far the biggest needs are at SG and SF. We've gotten next to nothing from those positions for years and this year has been even worse. Brown is shooting 10% from 3, Stanley 28%, Bullock 25%, Robinson 20% and Galloway 14%. As it's been for years and years with this team is the easiest to scheme your defense against. All you have to do is pack the paint and dare our "shooters" to shoot and it's been particularly ugly this season. Getting a two way PG is not going to fix the glaring and fundamental flaw to this team.

We've been going all in on bigmen for whatever the hell reason for the past 5 years, and since we loaded our cap on those two positions, we literally can't find any leftover money for any leftovers for SGs and SFs. We zagged when the league was zigging, but the problem is, everyone else continued to zig.

We needed a reset from all of this years ago, but we never did.

[Manocad]

The move is playing things out with the current roster, let whatever is going to happen happen, let the crappy contracts fall off, then start making serious moves. All of these "What if we can trade this piece of crap for another piece of crap of another color?" trade suggestions aren't going to move the needle in a significant way.

[Crymson]

With regards to the title of this thread, we don't even have a one-way PG right now. We have a zero-way PG.

The move is playing things out with the current roster, let whatever is going to happen happen, let the crappy contracts fall off, then start making serious moves. All of these "What if we can trade this piece of crap for another piece of crap of another color?" trade suggestions aren't going to move the needle in a significant way.

Ha. I see you aren't familiar with the team's owner, Mr. Tom "Win Now" Gores.

[BadMofoPimp]

It is too early in the season to make panic moves. If any team forces a panic move this early, the cost is never in their favor.

[Kilo]

By far the biggest needs are at SG and SF. We've gotten next to nothing from those positions for years and this year has been even worse. Brown is shooting 10% from 3, Stanley 28%, Bullock 25%, Robinson 20% and Galloway 14%. As it's been for years and years with this team is the easiest to scheme your defense against. All you have to do is pack the paint and dare our "shooters" to shoot and it's been particularly ugly this season. Getting a two way PG is not going to fix the glaring and fundamental flaw to this team.

We've been going all in on bigmen for whatever the hell reason for the past 5 years, and since we loaded our cap on those two positions, we literally can't find any leftover money for any leftovers for SGs and SFs. We zagged when the league was zigging, but the problem is, everyone else continued to zig.

We needed a reset from all of this years ago, but we never did.

I don't think we ever fully zagged. We get Griffin in with SVG who is a 4-out-1-In offense, and then replace him with a defensive minded coach who wants to shoot more three pointers. Nurse designed the Toronto offense to fit the players, Casey tries to bring it here as best he understood it. We should have brought in somebody who's coached a big two and had success with it and had ideas of how to use it now to defeat the current small ball, three point or nothing game. Think outside of the box, try something different - For better or worse.

[Billl]

If we can get a pg prospect with 2 way potential, yeah, obviously go for that. We really don't need a mediocre vet pg though, even if they would be a slight improvement. May as well hang on to some of these larger contracts until they become expirings.

[Kilo]

Hanging on to bad contracts until they expire doesn't seem likely when Gores trades for Griffin. Reggie Jackson, Leuer, Galloway all expire after next season. Some here might have that patience, but Gores doesn't seem to. Maybe Stefanski and Casey changed his mind - but doing nothing means giving up this year and next, on the treadmill.

[Billl]

The value isn't on letting the contracts expire. The value comes from trading expiring contracts for better player. eg like how we got blake.