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Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#1 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 2, 2018 5:45 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-magic-admonished-walton-for-poor-start-pressure-on-coach-to-win-now/ar-BBPgLVa?li=BBnba9I

Los Angeles Lakers president Magic Johnson admonished head coach Luke Walton in a meeting Tuesday, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski and Dave McMenamin, who add that Walton's job security depends upon his ability to turn around a 3-5 start to the season.


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Post#4 » by Danny Darko » Fri Nov 2, 2018 6:24 pm

basically a total turnaround from what he said before the season. Part of the problem really is Lebron's 3 and D, which i'm sure will come together at some point.

The Luke specific issues are:
-team not buying into D (wasn't an issue last year hmmm)
-not finding rotations yet (it's early with this much player turnover)
-late game coaching plays, time outs, and situational personnel choices

Really i think adding a Tex style guy for the late game situations and who can echo the concern for D would be better than letting Luke go. I also think Jeanie will advocate for him for a good while longer. In season change is not what I want here yet.

Also I hate Bron making coaching decisions completely and don't like who's available (F jackson and both van gundy's, and especially Ty Lue).

The other thing is Luke is a better recruiter for most players on the market- especially Klay.
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Post#5 » by Danny Darko » Fri Nov 2, 2018 6:34 pm

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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#6 » by JohnVancouver » Fri Nov 2, 2018 6:38 pm

Danny Darko wrote:
The Luke specific issues are:
-team not buying into D (wasn't an issue last year hmmm)
-not finding rotations yet (it's early with this much player turnover)
-late game coaching plays, time outs, and situational personnel choices

Really i think adding a Tex style guy for the late game situations and who can echo the concern for D would be better than letting Luke go. I also think Jeanie will advocate for him for a good while longer. In season change is not what I want here yet.

Also I hate Bron making coaching decisions completely and don't like who's available (F jackson and both van gundy's, and especially Ty Lue).

The other thing is Luke is a better recruiter for most players on the market- especially Klay.



Putting aside whether this is fair to Luke at this stage of development for a new roster, I think the big issue is 'who can you get?', no matter which way you feel about Luke. Slim pickings out there ... Tyronn Lue anybody? Pitino?

or how about Becky Hammon? I'm serious
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#7 » by Edrees » Fri Nov 2, 2018 7:24 pm

Fake news? Show me one quote where he said something like this about luke. Looks like a bull article.

Danny Darko wrote:basically a total turnaround from what he said before the season. Part of the problem really is Lebron's 3 and D, which i'm sure will come together at some point.

The Luke specific issues are:
-team not buying into D (wasn't an issue last year hmmm)
-not finding rotations yet (it's early with this much player turnover)
-late game coaching plays, time outs, and situational personnel choices

Really i think adding a Tex style guy for the late game situations and who can echo the concern for D would be better than letting Luke go. I also think Jeanie will advocate for him for a good while longer. In season change is not what I want here yet.

Also I hate Bron making coaching decisions completely and don't like who's available (F jackson and both van gundy's, and especially Ty Lue).

The other thing is Luke is a better recruiter for most players on the market- especially Klay.


The team is buying into the D. The issue is that we miss Randle's defense and Lopez's box outs. We could have had both these guys on our roster. Magic has no one to blame but himself. He accepted not signing these guys so we can go for max free agents next year. Suddenly he wants his cake and to eat it too here.
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Post#8 » by TheRealKaboom » Fri Nov 2, 2018 8:43 pm

Edrees wrote:Fake news? Show me one quote where he said something like this about luke. Looks like a bull article.

Danny Darko wrote:basically a total turnaround from what he said before the season. Part of the problem really is Lebron's 3 and D, which i'm sure will come together at some point.

The Luke specific issues are:
-team not buying into D (wasn't an issue last year hmmm)
-not finding rotations yet (it's early with this much player turnover)
-late game coaching plays, time outs, and situational personnel choices

Really i think adding a Tex style guy for the late game situations and who can echo the concern for D would be better than letting Luke go. I also think Jeanie will advocate for him for a good while longer. In season change is not what I want here yet.

Also I hate Bron making coaching decisions completely and don't like who's available (F jackson and both van gundy's, and especially Ty Lue).

The other thing is Luke is a better recruiter for most players on the market- especially Klay.


The team is buying into the D. The issue is that we miss Randle's defense and Lopez's box outs. We could have had both these guys on our roster. Magic has no one to blame but himself. He accepted not signing these guys so we can go for max free agents next year. Suddenly he wants his cake and to eat it too here.

Randle's defense is missed? What? He's an absolutely atrocious defender. And Lopez is cooked, look at him rotting away on the Bucks.

Luke's problem is minimizing the team's best defender and 2nd best offensive player, Ball, in favor of Rajon Rondo of all people. The sooner Luke realizes that, the sooner he can stop worrying about his job status.
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#9 » by zimpy27 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 8:49 pm

Yeah Luke has been making mistakes. But it's early, would be stupid to fire a guy now. Give these guys 20 games to start improving
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#10 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 2, 2018 9:40 pm

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Edrees wrote:Fake news? Show me one quote where he said something like this about luke. Looks like a bull article.

Danny Darko wrote:basically a total turnaround from what he said before the season. Part of the problem really is Lebron's 3 and D, which i'm sure will come together at some point.

The Luke specific issues are:
-team not buying into D (wasn't an issue last year hmmm)
-not finding rotations yet (it's early with this much player turnover)
-late game coaching plays, time outs, and situational personnel choices

Really i think adding a Tex style guy for the late game situations and who can echo the concern for D would be better than letting Luke go. I also think Jeanie will advocate for him for a good while longer. In season change is not what I want here yet.

Also I hate Bron making coaching decisions completely and don't like who's available (F jackson and both van gundy's, and especially Ty Lue).

The other thing is Luke is a better recruiter for most players on the market- especially Klay.


The team is buying into the D. The issue is that we miss Randle's defense and Lopez's box outs. We could have had both these guys on our roster. Magic has no one to blame but himself. He accepted not signing these guys so we can go for max free agents next year. Suddenly he wants his cake and to eat it too here.

Randle's defense is missed? What? He's an absolutely atrocious defender. And Lopez is cooked, look at him rotting away on the Bucks.

Luke's problem is minimizing the team's best defender and 2nd best offensive player, Ball, in favor of Rajon Rondo of all people. The sooner Luke realizes that, the sooner he can stop worrying about his job status.


I really wish someone could tell me where this idiocy is coming from... If you watched a single game last season, you'd know Randle was shutting down everyone from Butler and Harden, to LeBron and Cousins... He was as effective against the top scorers in the league as anyone...
People seem to be looking at stats and figuring since he's classified as a PF/C that he was responsible for defending points in the paint... Which he did some, but if you watched a single game, you would have seen him spending most of his time on the perimeter with our defense engineered to switch him onto the most productive player on the other team.

If you don't think we miss his defense you either weren't watching or have no idea what you were seeing when it happened.
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#11 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 2, 2018 9:53 pm

Danny Darko wrote:basically a total turnaround from what he said before the season. Part of the problem really is Lebron's 3 and D, which i'm sure will come together at some point.


This... The problem with this report is that Magic, LeBron and Rob were all preaching patience this summer... Talking about LeBron signing a 4yr deal as a sign he'd bought into a long term plan...
So Luke's messing with rotations trying to figure out who's going to play best with LeBron... He's taking 'teaching moment' timeouts to get guys on the same page... And LeBron is coasting and playing like the record is the last thing on his mind...

They're throwing Luke under the bus... And frankly, I said after Magic and Rob were hired, it was a matter of time before that happened... Magic never seemed fully on board the Luke train... And Luke replaced one of his favorite guys in B Scott... LeBron being here just gives Magic the excuse he was looking for, and Luke is the perfect fall-guy for them if this experiment goes sideways.

Not saying they're going to actually fire him... But this gives them a chance to sort of test the waters a bit...

Since hiring Rob and Magic, the Lakers have been controlling the narrative to the public to the point they almost seem to think we're all idiots... They do these over-the-top statements on one side of things one month, and they go completely opposite a month later and act like they don't know where anyone could have gotten that impression...

There's just a little too much Marketing and too little substance going on in Laker land right now.
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#12 » by Landsberger » Fri Nov 2, 2018 10:10 pm

I saw this coming..... Luke was not Magic’s pick and Luke’s lack of experience with vets and the playoffs is an issue. The FO is not going to wait for everyone to grow up I’m afraid. It’s earlier than I expected but I was sure we’d see this at some point if adversity hit.
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Post#13 » by Mamba Mentality » Fri Nov 2, 2018 10:44 pm

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Post#14 » by Landsberger » Fri Nov 2, 2018 10:55 pm

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I don't have a problem with this.


I started a post about our “offense”..... or lack there of in terms of structure. I’ve noticed our offense resembles a City League game in the division where you have a lot of former college players.... there is a ghost offense that shows up between running to allow the older guys to rest....

Our biggest issue in the last 3 games is that our offense down the stretch essentially slows to a glacial pace with Bron and Ingram trading picks at the 3 point line with Kuz and Ball or Rondo switch sides of the floor along the baseline. We become very easy to defend and change everything we’ve been doing to that point for some reason. While Ingram and Bron are fine ball handlers taking the ball away from Rondo or Ball makes them something they are not.... which is shooters. Ingram and Bron can still score without the ball. Too easy do defend.
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Post#15 » by karkinos » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:00 pm

magic underrating luke imo
needs a little more patience
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Post#16 » by Danny Darko » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:03 pm

so Magic's real problem was that we aren't running an effective offense? Ok that is horse ****, even if I agree the scheme looks slap dash early and did take time last year, too- the Laker's issue is not offense. FFS.
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Post#17 » by kblo247 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:03 pm

Admonished by on e of the worst coaches in history who quit on his team :lol: :lol: :lol:

Luke can do somethings better ... I for one think utilizing Beas is one

Luke also got **** on some things ... Zubac was the only other C MAgic/Pelinka put on the roster after Wagner couldn't even make it through SL.

Noah is a free agent, they could have forced Randle to stay, Lopez got the same money Beasley took, and hell even Deng could have been forced to play the spot ... Yet they picked up Zubac's option and then doubeld down cutting Williams to end camp and then getting rid of Wear too who had size to him while keeping Caruso to be pg number 6 on a team with Ball, Rondo, Bron, LAnce, and Ingram
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#18 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:07 pm

What did Magic expect? We have LeBron... And Ball isn't ready yet.

Can't run if you can't defend... And if you don't run, you pretty much end up with LeBron ISO ball and a steady diet of slow half court sets...

The offense was supposed to be hybrid Showtime, with Ball running it... He's clearly not ready for that yet, especially in a 'win now' situation... Rondo looks OK is spurts, but if we don't play Defense, the running offense won't ever get going...

For the first couple games of the season, you could see Walton up off the bench telling guys to push every time we got a possession... That's supposed to be the offense... And at first, LeBron was right there with him... Pushing the ball every chance he got... Now he's not really running in transition anymore, and we're in a constant LeBron-Centric half-court set... Which is an offense of sorts, and it's what any casual observer of LeBron should have expected the second we got him...
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Post#19 » by kblo247 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:12 pm

Really and truly Brook Lopez is more missed than Randle. They have a top defense with Javale on the floor. The team misses him from a rebound standpoint quite easily. Brook wasn't a baord gobbler but he boxed out and took up space. The team as a whole especially guys like Kuz, Zo, Ingram, and Hart aren't replicating their glass work without him. Heck even KCP waqs routinely pulling down 5-7post all star break with him.

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2018 TRB%: 8.5

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2017 DRB%: 9.6
2018 DRB%: 7.7

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2017 DRB%: 8.5
2018 DRB%: 7.5

Kuz
2017 DRB%: 10.7
2018 DRB%: 8.2

Lonzo
2017 TRB%: 4.2
2018 TRB%: 2.8

Hart
2017 DRB%: 3.1
2018 DRB%: 1.4

Ingram
2017 DRB%: 3.1
2018 DRB%: 5.6

Kuz
2017 DRB%: 3.9
2018 DRB%: 2.5

Everyone ain't a Kobe who can go snatch the **** amongst trees. None of our perimeter guys are built for ripping the **** down without a big wrestling the others away for them.

Also Brook would have opened the floor up for LEBron just like Big Z or Frye.

It is no coincidence Greek Freak suddenly rebounds like a madman or has open lanes this year. Brook is doing that **** for him. Just like Brook made Randle better last year despite **** himself out of money by giving him the paint.
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Re: Magic "Admonishes" Luke on poor start 

Post#20 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 2, 2018 11:12 pm

Danny Darko wrote:so Magic's real problem was that we aren't running an effective offense? Ok that is horse ****, even if I agree the scheme looks slap dash early and did take time last year, too- the Laker's issue is not offense. FFS.


Yeah... It's ****, and totally unnecessary at this point... Nobody was questioning what was going on right now...

OTHER than the fact that LeBron was starting to get some grief for the losses and for his lack of clutchness...

Seems pretty clear this was just Walton eating **** so LeBron doesn't have to... On top of that, it's a clear undermining of his authority by Magic...

There's really only one way for this to go... Walton is gone. And I'd be surprised if Magic doesn't already have a replacement lined up.
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