Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Jedzz]

Wizards 1000 percent need to get in on the Butler sweepstakes. They need help bad.

Sounds good. Do you want their future picks or any of their players? Fodder plus 5 FRPs for Butler/Wiggins. I hope they own some other teams FRP in order to get over 4.

[AirP.]

So to summarize Jimmy Butler: Can't get along with Rose/Noah, team dismantled and Butler made 'the man'. Can't get along with new roster save for Wade, criticizes head coach, demeans younger players in practice and in public, can't lead team once Rondo got hurt in the playoffs. That team dismantled. Goes to Minnesota, more issues with teammates, makes a ridiculous scene in practice and National spectacle due to selfishness and now demands to be traded and is pulling himself from games he doesn't feel like playing.

I'll tell you what, you can have him. I don't want someone like that on my franchise, but that's just me. It's one thing if he's Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, but he's not. He's not even close.

Wrong, the team was dismantled and GarPax talked about the 2018 plan of having enough room with Butler for 2 max slots which they then threw money at Rondo and Wade for 2 year contracts to get them to the minimum per season. Basically Chicago decided to waste 2 years of Butler's prime to keep fans interested for the 2018 plan, much like the 2010 plan(whiffed on LeBron, Wade and Bosh, did get Boozer in FA after refusing to trade anything for him the previous 2 years) or the 2000 plan(which they whiffed on G.Hill, T.McGrady and T.Duncan).

What's interesting is how Chicago's FO bad mouthed Thibs for "overusing" players and then their golden boy "Hoiberg" comes in and plays Butler 37 minutes a night both years he's there with NO words from the FO about overuse. The Bulls FO/Ownership has the media around it's finger which is why Jeff Van Gundy went off on the organization a couple years ago during an ESPN broadcast and Thib's had to tell Van Gundy to just let it go.

Also, for being a large market, the Chicago Bulls have been basically been nothing in the NBA, luckily they got MJ and Rose(which they didn't deserve, they should have had the 9th pick and got the 1st that particular year). Who knows, maybe the Bulls will actually hire a Head Coach that actually has some head coach experience in the NBA, since they've only did that once in over 30 years(S.Skiles). Good lord, they hired Vinnie Del Negro as head coach with 0 head coaching experience at any level.

I get Butler's not MJ or Kobe, but I sure do like players who give their full effort when they're on the court.

[Truebiscuit]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

[shrink]

Wizards 1000 percent need to get in on the Butler sweepstakes. They need help bad.

After adding Austin Rivers and Dwight Howard, they are fearless when it comes to taking on bad attitudes!

[TruthSerum]

If we get Otto Porter I think its only a matter of time before Wiggins is gone too.

He'd have to be with the current payroll and Okogie showing real NBA ability. I'm having trouble deciding what the team needs are moving forward. They've clearly changed from before training camp.

Let KBD get some minutes with the first team to see what we have, either way I think we draft a PF... I would've said PG but I think we could roll with Rose for at least a season or 2.

I trust Thibs can get a good read on KBD just in scrimmages. Nunnally has looked good enough to keep a place ahead in rotation. Teague will take his player option pretty sure so either Glen moves him now or rolls with it. Tyus will get some offer. Whether to match or not will be in the details. Hard to find a good place for FA cash in any trades for Jimmy. There was talk about involving JR Smith and Korver in the Houston trade (giving the Cavs Brandon Knight plus 2019 first) to cut JR in the off-season for under $4M on next year's books. That could be interesting. I'm also a fan of taking Whiteside for Dieng on the Josh Rich trade to have his $27M come off the books the same time as Teague's $19M in 2020. Wolves can get below the cap enough for an elite starter or 2 good role players. Not to mention contend in the interim.

[AirP.]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

[TruthSerum]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Lol yeah it's really annoying. We've had the best NBA fans for the longest and we get treated to cheap ownership who worries more about positive press than they ever did about contending for the past 2 decades. Hell, only reason we enjoyed the dynasty years was because Jordan and Pip played for peanuts. At least for the first 3 peat. I'm aware Rodman got paid and so did MJ in 97. Poor Pip had to get his money from Houston and Portland.

[Killboard]

There's been friction since last year and this was obviously evident since KAT didn't sign his big deal until the trade request came through. There's also rumors that Butler slept or pursued Kat's girlfriend. Also calling someone soft and being a cancer in the locker room doesnt help your relationship...

Bulls fan here, watching this from afar... what beef?

Woof. I hated Butler once he went Hollywood/Diva on my Bulls so none of this surprises me. Heck of a player, but he's unbelievably selfish. This is now the 3rd group of NBA players he's managed to alienate. Sucks for you guys man, hopefully you get something of value for him.

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[TruthSerum]

There's been friction since last year and this was obviously evident since KAT didn't sign his big deal until the trade request came through. There's also rumors that Butler slept or pursued Kat's girlfriend. Also calling someone soft and being a cancer in the locker room doesnt help your relationship...

Woof. I hated Butler once he went Hollywood/Diva on my Bulls so none of this surprises me. Heck of a player, but he's unbelievably selfish. This is now the 3rd group of NBA players he's managed to alienate. Sucks for you guys man, hopefully you get something of value for him.

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Holy crap what was KAT doing when Jimmy missed 23 games? Shrinking in crunch time is not good for a supermax player. Not good at all.

[Truebiscuit]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Well, for the sake of transparency I haven't liked Jimmy for a while, ever since his "transition" happened. Chicago keeps you plugged in if you listen to enough podcasts / read enough articles. I smelled the stink on this dude from a mile away.

[TruthSerum]

So I'm talking about Butler's behavior, which was the original topic that you joined, and now you say I'm wrong and proceed to talk about:

The 2018 plan, the Bulls FO, badmouthing Thibs, Hoiberg playing Butler 37 minutes a game, the Bulls having the media around their finger, Jeff Gundy, the Bulls organization being nothing save for MJ and Rose and look at that, a Vinny Del Negro shout out.

Lordy. I'm out of this one, at ease gents

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Well, for the sake of transparency I haven't liked Jimmy for a while, ever since his "transition" happened. Chicago keeps you plugged in if you listen to enough podcasts / read enough articles. I smelled the stink on this dude from a mile away.

So who's the feel good, (nice smelling) player for us Bulls fans? I want to believe! Lol

[Calinks]

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[AirP.]

Well, for the sake of transparency I haven't liked Jimmy for a while, ever since his "transition" happened. Chicago keeps you plugged in if you listen to enough podcasts / read enough articles. I smelled the stink on this dude from a mile away.

Sure, I listened and watched enough to quit being a Bulls fan. Things like Gar Forman threatening to give Snell his minutes to tank his value. The Butler betting on himself year and another reason the Bulls FO didn't like Thibs, because he wouldn't help tank Butler's value. Chicago is such a horrible franchise which you can see if you actually look a little closer at what's happening.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/rumor-bulls-told-jimmy-butler-during-contract-extension-negotiations-theyd-stick-him-behind-tony-snell-if-he-didnt-sign/

Maybe you enjoyed the trading current all-star Deng for A. Bynum(and instantly cutting him so ownership could save 20 million dollars) and a heavily protected Sacramento pick which had they decided to rebuild a year earlier would have been worse then Sacramento and gotten their 1st round pick also. Maybe basically giving K.Korver away for basically nothing. Just a horrible organization and the fans just keep eating up their BS.

[Truebiscuit]

Right, the Bulls basically have ahold most of the media in Chicago and right now, by sending out info trashing Butler(which came from Chicago) it makes them look much better moving Butler although they're looking at more horrible years without Butler. I'm just talking about why there's all this negative press about Butler and why some fans are just eating it up instead of looking at some of the reasons for why things are really happening.

Well, for the sake of transparency I haven't liked Jimmy for a while, ever since his "transition" happened. Chicago keeps you plugged in if you listen to enough podcasts / read enough articles. I smelled the stink on this dude from a mile away.

So who's the feel good, (nice smelling) player for us Bulls fans? I want to believe! Lol

I think our core right now is LaVine/Markkanen/WCJ. We need a sharp shooting wing and Kris Dunn to stay healthy and we *might* be able to make some noise. We were never going to win a title with Butler as our best player (no team will ever win a title with Butler as their best player, IMO).

[AirP.]

I think our core right now is LaVine/Markkanen/WCJ. We need a sharp shooting wing and Kris Dunn to stay healthy and we *might* be able to make some noise. We were never going to win a title with Butler as our best player (no team will ever win a title with Butler as their best player, IMO).

I don't know, Butler was 27 so Chicago had years to add another top FA or 2 with Butler(which was the 2018 plan). Who knows, maybe Chicago could have added Irving or/and Griffin, 2 or 3 of those guys and you'd have a great chance to get to the finals on the Eastern side, especially with LeBron out of the conference.

[Killboard]

Woof. I hated Butler once he went Hollywood/Diva on my Bulls so none of this surprises me. Heck of a player, but he's unbelievably selfish. This is now the 3rd group of NBA players he's managed to alienate. Sucks for you guys man, hopefully you get something of value for him.

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Holy crap what was KAT doing when Jimmy missed 23 games? Shrinking in crunch time is not good for a supermax player. Not good at all.

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns' long-simmering issues rose to the surface in crunch time. In clutch situations, from Nov to April, Jimmy Butler assisted 1 KAT basket in >100 minutes together. That's it

[TruthSerum]

Well, for the sake of transparency I haven't liked Jimmy for a while, ever since his "transition" happened. Chicago keeps you plugged in if you listen to enough podcasts / read enough articles. I smelled the stink on this dude from a mile away.

So who's the feel good, (nice smelling) player for us Bulls fans? I want to believe! Lol

I think our core right now is LaVine/Markkanen/WCJ. We need a sharp shooting wing and Kris Dunn to stay healthy and we *might* be able to make some noise. We were never going to win a title with Butler as our best player (no team will ever win a title with Butler as their best player, IMO).

Well, I have plenty of time to see a winning Bulls team. And it's a good thing, judging by our current coach and roster. Plenty of time will be needed.

[TruthSerum]

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Holy crap what was KAT doing when Jimmy missed 23 games? Shrinking in crunch time is not good for a supermax player. Not good at all.

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns' long-simmering issues rose to the surface in crunch time. In clutch situations, from Nov to April, Jimmy Butler assisted 1 KAT basket in >100 minutes together. That's it

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

[Killboard]

Holy crap what was KAT doing when Jimmy missed 23 games? Shrinking in crunch time is not good for a supermax player. Not good at all.

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns' long-simmering issues rose to the surface in crunch time. In clutch situations, from Nov to April, Jimmy Butler assisted 1 KAT basket in >100 minutes together. That's it

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

The center position is dependant on PG, play calling and spacing more than any other position. Which was the last Center you see initiating from the perimeter?

I already explained the first part, now tell me your take on the last past which is ridiculous.

[TruthSerum]

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

The center position is dependant on PG, play calling, spacing more than any other position. Which was the last Center you see initiating from the perimeter?

I already explained the first part, now tell me your take on the last past which is ridiculous.

You explained nothing. You blamed Jimmy for Towns sucking in crunch time then blamed generic PGs when I mentioned that Jimmy missed nearly 30% of the season. There is no cure for players hiding during crunch time. A 7-footer who can score from anywhere on the court should never hide. KAT needs to call for the ball.