Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Killboard]

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

The center position is dependant on PG, play calling, spacing more than any other position. Which was the last Center you see initiating from the perimeter?

I already explained the first part, now tell me your take on the last past which is ridiculous.

You explained nothing. You blamed Jimmy for Towns sucking in crunch time then blamed generic PGs when I mentioned that Jimmy missed nearly 30% of the season. There is no cure for players hiding during crunch time. A 7-footer who can score from anywhere on the court should never hide. KAT needs to call for the ball.

You dont know if Towns usage went up on those games or how much. You neither know effieciency. You neither know previous seasons stats.

Good job hiding the sun with your finger.

[TruthSerum]

The center position is dependant on PG, play calling, spacing more than any other position. Which was the last Center you see initiating from the perimeter?

I already explained the first part, now tell me your take on the last past which is ridiculous.

You explained nothing. You blamed Jimmy for Towns sucking in crunch time then blamed generic PGs when I mentioned that Jimmy missed nearly 30% of the season. There is no cure for players hiding during crunch time. A 7-footer who can score from anywhere on the court should never hide. KAT needs to call for the ball.

You dont know if Towns usage went up on those games or how much. You neither know effieciency. You neither know previous seasons stats.

Good job hiding the sun with your finger.

I know KAT's usage goes down considerably when the game is on the line. That's by your chart. Who's in charge of that? Guess you can blame the coach who made Noah into a point center. Guess you can blame Jimmy Butler who makes numerous assists to Towns (every time I watch which is often) yet missed nearly 30% of the games. Guess you can blame the generic PG who can't see Towns battle for position down low (which I hardly see lol). Or maybe you can blame every recording device on the planet for missing that moment when Towns calls for the ball and the moment he chews out the generic PG for not giving him the ball.

[Killboard]

You explained nothing. You blamed Jimmy for Towns sucking in crunch time then blamed generic PGs when I mentioned that Jimmy missed nearly 30% of the season. There is no cure for players hiding during crunch time. A 7-footer who can score from anywhere on the court should never hide. KAT needs to call for the ball.

You dont know if Towns usage went up on those games or how much. You neither know effieciency. You neither know previous seasons stats.

Good job hiding the sun with your finger.

I know KAT's usage goes down considerably when the game is on the line. That's by your chart. Who's in charge of that? Guess you can blame the coach who made Noah into a point center. Guess you can blame Jimmy Butler who makes numerous assists to Towns (every time I watch which is often) yet missed nearly 30% of the games. Guess you can blame the generic PG who can't see Towns battle for position down low (which I hardly see lol). Or maybe you can blame every recording device on the planet for missing that moment when Towns calls for the ball and the moment he chews out the generic PG for not giving him the ball.

Maybe you dont even need blame anyone for his usage... what if the ORTG of the team was better? Doesnt care by itself if you dont put it on context, which you dont care anyway.

Now the second part doesnt even need a context to be ridiculous. WHOLE SEASON. 1 ASSISTS. Talk me about team first heros after that.

[TruthSerum]

You dont know if Towns usage went up on those games or how much. You neither know effieciency. You neither know previous seasons stats.

Good job hiding the sun with your finger.

I know KAT's usage goes down considerably when the game is on the line. That's by your chart. Who's in charge of that? Guess you can blame the coach who made Noah into a point center. Guess you can blame Jimmy Butler who makes numerous assists to Towns (every time I watch which is often) yet missed nearly 30% of the games. Guess you can blame the generic PG who can't see Towns battle for position down low (which I hardly see lol). Or maybe you can blame every recording device on the planet for missing that moment when Towns calls for the ball and the moment he chews out the generic PG for not giving him the ball.

Maybe you dont even need blame anyone for his usage... what if the ORTG of the team was better? Doesnt care by itself if you dont put it on context, which you dont care anyway.

Now the second part doesnt even need a context to be ridiculous. WHOLE SEASON. 1 ASSISTS. Talk me about team first heros after that.

Assists can only be achieved by timely scores. That's a major flaw in your argument. One of many.

[Killboard]

I know KAT's usage goes down considerably when the game is on the line. That's by your chart. Who's in charge of that? Guess you can blame the coach who made Noah into a point center. Guess you can blame Jimmy Butler who makes numerous assists to Towns (every time I watch which is often) yet missed nearly 30% of the games. Guess you can blame the generic PG who can't see Towns battle for position down low (which I hardly see lol). Or maybe you can blame every recording device on the planet for missing that moment when Towns calls for the ball and the moment he chews out the generic PG for not giving him the ball.

Maybe you dont even need blame anyone for his usage... what if the ORTG of the team was better? Doesnt care by itself if you dont put it on context, which you dont care anyway.

Now the second part doesnt even need a context to be ridiculous. WHOLE SEASON. 1 ASSISTS. Talk me about team first heros after that.

Assists can only be achieved by timely scores. That's a major flaw in your argument. One of many.

Is a P&R league, Butler was featured on them 90% of the time and you are trying to tell me that KAT was passing shots to not give Butler assits?

[TruthSerum]

Maybe you dont even need blame anyone for his usage... what if the ORTG of the team was better? Doesnt care by itself if you dont put it on context, which you dont care anyway.

Now the second part doesnt even need a context to be ridiculous. WHOLE SEASON. 1 ASSISTS. Talk me about team first heros after that.

Assists can only be achieved by timely scores. That's a major flaw in your argument. One of many.

Is a P&R league, Butler was featured on them 90% of the time and you are trying to tell me that KAT was passing shots to not give Butler assits?

I'm not telling you anything about offense under Thibs except that it doesn't change throughout the game. Only change is willing participants. Towns has shown to be unwilling in crunch time per your graphic. No other way to interpret it.

[Domejandro]

Bench him so he doesn't get fifty million dollars, what a lazy piece of garbage.

[theGreatRC]

I can't wait til this POS is off the team. That Warriors game is probably the most selfish i've ever seen him in a Wolves uniform

Great player, but it's time to end this ****

[Neeva]

I just hope we get some decent young assets+picks
And fire thibs!

[PharmD]

Holy crap what was KAT doing when Jimmy missed 23 games? Shrinking in crunch time is not good for a supermax player. Not good at all.

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns' long-simmering issues rose to the surface in crunch time. In clutch situations, from Nov to April, Jimmy Butler assisted 1 KAT basket in >100 minutes together. That's it

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

KAT's clutch usage was 13.0 in games Jimmy played and 22.9 in games Jimmy didn't play.

[TruthSerum]

Want to see stats of previous seasons with another PGs?

You also can read the part where says:

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

KAT's clutch usage was 13.0 in games Jimmy played and 22.9 in games Jimmy didn't play.

Definitely a step in the right direction for a #2 option. Too bad the Wolves were 10-13 in those games. They were 37-21 in games Jimmy started aside from the one he blew out his meniscus against the Rockets.

[PharmD]

I'm reading the usage. Blame others all you want I can guarantee you no other elite scoring Big would ever hide during crunch time. It's soft.

KAT's clutch usage was 13.0 in games Jimmy played and 22.9 in games Jimmy didn't play.

Definitely a step in the right direction for a #2 option. Too bad the Wolves were 10-13 in those games. They were 37-21 in games Jimmy started aside from the one he blew out his meniscus against the Rockets.

yeah Jimmy is a good basketball player. Don't think anyone disagrees with that.

It's extremely obvious to those of us that watch all the wolves games that he froze out Towns in the clutch. You apparently were disagreeing so that's why i brought you these numbers.

[TruthSerum]

KAT's clutch usage was 13.0 in games Jimmy played and 22.9 in games Jimmy didn't play.

Definitely a step in the right direction for a #2 option. Too bad the Wolves were 10-13 in those games. They were 37-21 in games Jimmy started aside from the one he blew out his meniscus against the Rockets.

yeah Jimmy is a good basketball player. Don't think anyone disagrees with that.

It's extremely obvious to those of us that watch all the wolves games that he froze out Towns in the clutch. You apparently were disagreeing so that's why i brought you these numbers.

Okey dokey. I'm cool with KAT and am willing to give him the benefit of doubt for deferring, and winning, with Jimmy. The records speak for themselves.

[Tukkerwolf]

Read on Twitter

This is the most exciting thing I've read in this thread for like 1000 posts. Getting a (near) all-star back would be so incredibly awesome.

[PharmD]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

If we could somehow get jimmy and dwight on the same team, that would be awesome

[Neeva]

First of all, fire Thibodeau!!! Then
get a Butler trade done that brings back a decent young prospect with picks or unloads Dieng.
This team is going nowhere with Thibodeau and Butler on it anyway (they are a huge black cloud)

Let Wiggins pad his stats and up his value then trade him, Build around KAT and surround him with hard workers like Okogie

[minimus]

Definitely a step in the right direction for a #2 option. Too bad the Wolves were 10-13 in those games. They were 37-21 in games Jimmy started aside from the one he blew out his meniscus against the Rockets.

yeah Jimmy is a good basketball player. Don't think anyone disagrees with that.

It's extremely obvious to those of us that watch all the wolves games that he froze out Towns in the clutch. You apparently were disagreeing so that's why i brought you these numbers.

Okey dokey. I'm cool with KAT and am willing to give him the benefit of doubt for deferring, and winning, with Jimmy. The records speak for themselves.

The record says that Butler with KAT won more than KAT without Butler.

[Domejandro]

How are the Wizards not getting involved? They badly need change.

There have absolutely been cursory discussions at this point.

[Domejandro]

I like playing with salaries, so here is an overly convoluted trade.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1763135
(Waive Wesley to bring in Joakim)

John Wall / Tyus Jones / Austin Rivers
Andrew Wiggins / Derrick Rose / James Nunnally
Josh Okogie / Solomon Hill / Luol Deng
Taj Gibson / Anthony Tolliver / Keita Bates-Diop
Karl-Anthony Towns / Joakim Noah / Justin Patton

Have three firsts next season to play with.

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That aside.....
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25162640/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-says-decide-whether-plays-back-back-set